England & Scotland poppy decision leads to Fifa disciplinary action

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And so they should (In my opinion)

Fifa has opened disciplinary proceedings against England and Scotland for wearing poppies in Friday's World Cup qualifier.

Players from both countries wore black armbands bearing a poppy during England's 3-0 win at Wembley, with the game taking place on Armistice Day.

Rules forbid "political" statements on shirts.

Fifa, world football's governing body, would not "speculate on any outcome or provide an estimated timeline".

bbc.co.uk/spo…265

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wearing a poppy is not a political statement

missismop

wearing a poppy is not a political statement



It is in the OP's and FIFA's heads.

missismop

wearing a poppy is not a political statement



It was asked about in PMQs. FIFA also ban personal statements on equipment.

A fine is likely and that's money that could've gone to charity. A real shame.

what a load of crap

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

It was asked about in PMQs. FIFA also ban personal statements on … It was asked about in PMQs. FIFA also ban personal statements on equipment.A fine is likely and that's money that could've gone to charity. A real shame.



What is a real shame is that FIFA couldn't just keep to running football and stop trying to play God. The wearing of the armbands with poppies on didn't hurt anyone nor did it cause anybody any financial loss.
Edited by: "deeky" 17th Nov 2016

Oooooh, I imagine they will come down heavy, FIFA are well known for punishing wrong-doers. Snort.

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missismop

what a load of crap



Nope.

The kit is covered by the rules of Fifa, they were in a Fifa competition & chose to ignore the previous rulings & decisions by Fifa.

What next? Argentina wearing armbands on the Falklands War?

I bet you would be the first to be shouting outrage at that one.

deeky

What is a real shame is that FIFA couldn't just keep to running football … What is a real shame is that FIFA couldn't just keep to running football and stop trying to play God. The wearing of the armbands with poppies on didn't hurt anyone nor did it cause anybody any financial loss.



I sorta agree, but I can also understand their view about people or teams making statements. It's the nature of modern sport/business.

The poppy isn't political. Pathetic cretins.

Can they just not ban soccerball ?
come to think of it didn't Edward the third try that ?
edit:they all did but it was Eddy 2 that got in first
close but no banana wongy
Edited by: "Wongy110" 17th Nov 2016

We could have saved all this hassle by just giving FIFA a backhander...

Bit rich of Fifa to moan about this considering their own values are pretty non existent, and they have been involved in racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering over the course of the last 24 years.

GTF Fifa.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

It was asked about in PMQs. FIFA also ban personal statements on … It was asked about in PMQs. FIFA also ban personal statements on equipment.A fine is likely and that's money that could've gone to charity. A real shame.



​wonder what good work Fifa will spend that fine on!

Nothing will happen. Fifa will threaten but in the end won't do anything.

I don’t see how a sign of remembrance can be a poilitical statement. FIFA and the op are both ridiculous if they think it is.

personally,it smacks of hypocrisy,when fifa say that players have to wear the "respect" label on their shirts,it should work both ways,players should be able to respect remembrance as this is a world wide respect for "the fallen!"

Brexit Fifa

Should fine Fifa for being A Holes.

Should show some compassion because if it wasn't for those that died Fifa would no longer exist.

I think the game should be void and 1 point awarded to each country.Come on Scotland.

A rose is a flower, a poppy is a flower, what's the big fuss? Anyway, pay the fine and move on, nothing to see here.

Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace to ban it.

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Jack-L92

Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace … Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace to ban it.




No it is not. It is a symbol invented by The British Legion to raise funds for dead & injured soldiers of the Commonwealth.

Something that should be funded by the Government & not charity.

& to say or imply anything different is just plain wrong.

And I quote!!!

WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s b … WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s biggest fundraising campaign held every year in November, the period of Remembrance.Each year, an army of volunteers distribute our iconic paper poppies throughout the nation, collecting donations in return to help support the vital work we do for the Armed Forces community.Members of the public wear the paper poppy on their chest as a symbol of Remembrance: to remember the fallen Service men and women killed in conflict.



It seems the UK population are somewhat brainwashed.
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 17th Nov 2016

1850maggie

I think the game should be void and 1 point awarded to each country.Come … I think the game should be void and 1 point awarded to each country.Come on Scotland.


Scotland would still never qualify, only chance they gave is a group with San Marino, Gibraltar, kosovo, Luxembourg and andorra and i still would not fancy them to get through

The poppy can be seen (at least by some) as being political...veterans included.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/375E/production/_86547141_veteran.png

Jack-L92

Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace … Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace to ban it.

WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s b … WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s biggest fundraising campaign held every year in November, the period of Remembrance.Each year, an army of volunteers distribute our iconic paper poppies throughout the nation, collecting donations in return to help support the vital work we do for the Armed Forces community.Members of the public wear the paper poppy on their chest as a symbol of Remembrance: to remember the fallen Service men and women killed in conflict.


They weren't trying to raise funds wearing the poppy emblazoned armband were they?

Jack-L92

Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace … Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace to ban it.

WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s b … WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s biggest fundraising campaign held every year in November, the period of Remembrance.Each year, an army of volunteers distribute our iconic paper poppies throughout the nation, collecting donations in return to help support the vital work we do for the Armed Forces community.Members of the public wear the paper poppy on their chest as a symbol of Remembrance: to remember the fallen Service men and women killed in conflict.


britishlegion.org.uk/rem…py/

You're an ignorant idiot.

Jack-L92

Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace … Poppy is for everyone who lost their lives - not just british. disgrace to ban it.

WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s … WHAT IS THE POPPY APPEAL?The Poppy Appeal is the Royal British Legion’s biggest fundraising campaign held every year in November, the period of Remembrance.Each year, an army of volunteers distribute our iconic paper poppies throughout the nation, collecting donations in return to help support the vital work we do for the Armed Forces community.Members of the public wear the paper poppy on their chest as a symbol of Remembrance: to remember the fallen Service men and women killed in conflict.

Wearing a poppy is a personal choice and reflects individual and personal … Wearing a poppy is a personal choice and reflects individual and personal memories. It is not compulsory but is greatly appreciated by those it helps – our beneficiaries: those currently serving in our Armed Forces, veterans, and their families and dependants.


The real reason is somewhere between what Jack-L92 and YouDontWantToKnow said. The British Legion, who when all is said and done, benefit from the sale of poppies, says


That's how I see the wearing of a poppy and, whilst I don't know the personal circumstances of every player in the England v Scotland game, I have some doubts whether all of them have individual or personal memories of those who have been killed or injured in active service.

Like it or not, the poppy has acquired a political significance way beyond its true meaning. For instance, have you seen a single UK politician (Jeremy Corbyn included!) who didn't wear a poppy at all times in the week leading up to Remembrance Day? The fact that the English and Scottish FAs chose to have the confrontation with FIFA owes as much to political pressure on them as it does to any deep-seated moral conviction on the part of the members of the respective FAs.

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I think they shouldn't have played the match then. wonder what FIFA would of thought of it

Useless bodies that fine nations £15000 for racist chanting / behaviour and fined Bendtner £80,000 for showing his sponsor logo on his boxer shorts!

Now I'm no lover of some of the antics of certain FIFA officials but they do determine the laws etc of the game across the world and not every decision taken must automatically considered to be flawed, corrupt or due to Johnny Foreigner bias against us. I'm not aware of wearing the poppy on international matches being a long-standing tradition, although other tributes for this worthy cause have a more established tradition. I'm not sure what the fuss is about but it seems to be used as a bit of an excuse to make a wider "you can't tell us what to do, we're British" type statement. Could that be construed as a 'political' stance? Maybe.

If exceptions have been allowed in the past then I would expect us to be afforded the same. However, as no disciplinary decision has yet been taken we should try not to get too knee-jerky.

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stuarthanley

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/how-we-remember/the-story-of-the-poppy/You're an ignorant idiot.



Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of makes you look a tad silly...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/440px-HinduSwastika.svg.png

This is a it is an ancient symbol of auspiciousness in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.

Just saying..

symbols mean different things to different people.. I think FIFA are a bunch of nob heads, but... I agree with their rule including everyone and not just some.

YouDontWantToKnow

Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of … Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of makes you look a tad silly...



​Pot, Kettle, Black.

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Dyslexic_Dog

Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of … Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of makes you look a tad silly..​Pot, Kettle, Black.



Why is that then?
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 17th Nov 2016

YouDontWantToKnow

Why is that then?



​Because you seem to make a regular habit of making yourself appear silly.

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Dyslexic_Dog

​Because you seem to make a regular habit of making yourself appear silly.



Hows that then? Can you post an example? Cheers

stuarthanley

The poppy isn't political. Pathetic cretins.



​Poppy appeal is apolitical but to remember those who fought and died. FA should get their lawyers warmed up.

YouDontWantToKnow

Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of … Keeping in mind my quote was from The British Legion.... That kind of makes you look a tad silly...


Your quote was from the legion, yes. Your comment was all you, was wrong and was ignorant.

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davewave

​Poppy appeal is apolitical but to remember those who fought and died. FA … ​Poppy appeal is apolitical but to remember those who fought and died. FA should get their lawyers warmed up.



Dave. The poppy symbol was invented in England by The British Legion in a way to raise funds for the dead & injured soldiers of the Commonwealth. Everytime you buy a poppy that is where your money goes. It is not laid in Whitehall to remember the Russian, Chinese or German dead. Therefor it is diversive & in itself political. In later years Thatcher & Blair took pride in promoting the Poppy as a Nationalistic Emblem & to deny that fact it foolish.

And judging by the responses on here a lot of members regard it as a British symbol which pretty much makes FIFAs point completely justified.

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stuarthanley

Your comment was all you, was wrong and was ignorant.



I wouldnt call me ignorant if I was you. I commented on someones IQ at the start of the week & got suspended.
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