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    Expansion of the Grammar School system - good or bad idea?

    May has a number of ideas and the Education Minister confirmed the leaked documents that Tories want to see many more Grammar schools.

    Are they the way forward after academisation?

    23 Comments

    yes

    davewave

    yes



    Agreed

    I don't think they should get so hung up on labels, and should simply put a tonne more focus on the basics of English, Maths, and Science. I don't claim to be an expert in any of them, but the standards that many school leavers (and just as many adults!) have is shockingly poor.

    Probably yes. I have friends that have had 2 children in the existing grammar system in Devon. Their fellow students have been a mix of the predictable pushy middle classes, but also a surprising amount of bright kids from the less wealthy areas. The common denominator is that they are all bright and so they race ahead through the syllabus and all achieved good grades. The level of discipline is also high. Overall, for academically inclined children of all backgrounds these schools are a lift up into the top universities.
    My own kids went to comprehensive school, then 6th form college, got good grades and both now study science subjects at Russel Group uni's.
    Same outcome, so the success or failure of children at school is more complicated than just the type of school they get into. IMHO the two key features are having supportive parents and going to a school which suits your style of learning.
    With the last in mind, a limited expansion of the grammar school, so that academically minded children, who don't want to be in the hubbub of a state comprehensive, is a good thing.

    Unfortunately, the usual culprits are piling on the political pressure with the threat of a return to the Secondary Modern dumping ground, which was a scandal. But, no-one I have heard in government has proposed a return to the two tier system. Choice is not educational apartheid.
    Edited by: "airbus330" 9th Sep 2016

    Would like to see any focus/funding in promoting grammar schools at least matched by focus/funding on technical/vocational education. Also there should be safeguards put in place for small towns and rural areas, to stop conversion to grammar school where local children who don't get a place at grammar are then made to travel large distances to the next available non-grammar school (and are therefore also forced to be educated outside their own community/neighbourhood). I wouldn't support this move without these additional policies.

    They have positives and negatives.

    I think if people want their children to go to a grammar school, they should move near one.

    It has the possibility to create a huge divide.

    Just to add - I don't believe that the schools are all to blame for the quality of education given. I firmly believe that the main reason some students fall below the "national average" or that schools struggle to achieve is down to some parents who allow their children to disrespect "authority" or cause trouble or cannot control their children and this in turn causes peer pressure and more children fail to achieve.

    I'd like the government to force/put more responsibility back onto the parents and if the child still fails should be removed quickly from the normal school/education process/family life and dumped into "special schools" (full time boarding schools - like a prison giving education because no doubt most will end up in one anyway)

    Sick and tired of seeing parents giving "permission" to their kids to misbehave "because we did it when we were young"

    If it's selective, then it could be open to being quite elitist in that they set their own exams which effectively cover the first year's course in maths/English. This means only people who can pay for extra tuition to pass the tests will stand a chance of having their kids accepted.
    Would be better to have streaming in normal schools, and bring back technical colleges for the less academic

    GOOD

    I have two in my town and my lad takes his 11 plus this coming Saturday. He wants to go to one of the grammar schools in our town and has been working towards this he considers the schools higher than the others and so dose his mates. I think if as a child has got something to aspire too then just maybe they can achieve a better working moral as an adult.

    Not the type of school, it is where the students comes from and where they live, plus the supply of quality teachers to fill the quality places, namely, if 100% schools are supplied with 100% quality grammar criteria teachers and given the right attitude students then any type of school would work. Evidence: the British universities are flooded with overseas students and they come from all types of schools around the world and few are even run like grammar schools here.

    Personally I think they should adopt the American system in that you need to pass each year before moving on to the next. Also if you don't achieve minimum of a C in English maths and science then you should be held back.

    barrel24

    Personally I think they should adopt the American system in that you need … Personally I think they should adopt the American system in that you need to pass each year before moving on to the next. Also if you don't achieve minimum of a C in English maths and science then you should be held back.


    Agree.

    Except if this happened to me, I would still be there (_;)

    Standard Tory Gibberish.

    Whole thing will U-turn next week.

    barrel24

    Personally I think they should adopt the American system in that you need … Personally I think they should adopt the American system in that you need to pass each year before moving on to the next. Also if you don't achieve minimum of a C in English maths and science then you should be held back.



    I know nothing about American Education system, but this scene stuck in my mind regarding food for Primary Kids.

    Poor Quality but its all I could find. I should also warn this clip contains Jamie Oliver



    davewave

    yes

    davewave

    yes

    Graham1979

    GOOD




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    just saying

    My life was going well until I went to Grammar, I was top 5% in 11+ and most other tests and really enjoyed school and had lots of mates. That all changed at Grammar, the workload was very intense, the teachers harsh and unfriendly, very nit picky and a law onto themselves. I spent the last18 months in detention before leaving with a drug habit and 2 gcse's.

    I was immediately happier upon leaving, got a job, cleaned up and 2 years later went to fe college and retook my GCSE's. I have now got 14 GCSE'S, 4 ALevels an English degree and a masters in linguistics. I advise and design EFL courses for various institutions.

    My life is great and I have loved it all apart from 5 unhappy years in a grammar school.

    They're not good for everyone.

    I have three children. One classed as normal, another with special needs, and another over bright child. Thank God. They all went to schools specialising in all three aspects. Very proud of all three, however if they had all gone to a "normal" school then two of my children would have suffered as a result. Law of averages sounds great, but don't complain when children from other countries leave ours standing!

    Will this improve the education of most of the children in this country? The evidence pretty much says no.

    Will this improve the education of a select few working class kids but keep the rest of them where they belong at the bottom of heap for education, careers and opportunities? probably......

    Far better they put all the money, time and effort they spend into setting up the latest whim of the current PM/Education minister and spend it on raising standards and teaching for all children.
    Edited by: "gari189" 10th Sep 2016

    Why don't we just revert everything to how it was in the 1950s. That will fix everything right?

    [ theguardian.com/edu…xam ]
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    Would you get into grammar school? Try the 11-plus exam

    Theresa May’s resurrecting grammar schools so how would you fare in a test to get in one?

    Compiled by Marianna Spring (Friday 9 September 2016 16.53 BST Last modified on Friday 9 September 2016 23.02 BST)

    Theresa May has proposed a shakeup of the education system that could lead to an expansion of grammar schools across England. Many people object to the categorisation of pupils at age 11 on the basis of an exam. But how would you fare in such a test? Here’s a selection of 11-plus questions from sample tests produced by the educational publisher CGP.
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    I think it's a fantastic idea but I'll believe it when I see it.

    Personally, I have no problem with people getting privately educated but I think there should be some provision for those with the ability to have access to similar standards. That's not to say all kids don't deserve the best education because they do, but we should also recognise that children have differing levels of ability. Separating people (we already stream in Academies/secondaries) makes sense so that classes can move along at the right speed for all the pupils.

    I have three children, one of them very bright, two other ,I would say average. I hope grammar school expansion will never heppend ( Personly think it is divisive system, also parents ussually hiring tutors for kids,others just from prep schools) and all my kids can attend one good local school,. We have very good comprahensive schools in our town , I am worry now if they will become selective, then I will need to move house. I am not rich to send my kids to prep or hire tutors. Goverment New proposal - it just do not work for my family,we are ordinary average family,not rich and not FSM.
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