Found 21st Oct 2009
Scientifically a foetus is classed as what exists from the twelfth week of pregnancy onwards.

What do you guys think? Is a foetus defined as a 'person', and should have the same rights as every other human being, or should it not have those full rights as its not fully developed?
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I think you need to clarify what question you're offering for discussion.

P.S... I thought embryonic >> 9 weeks

9weeks + foetus?

:lol: From ]Wiki:

A fetus (also spelled foetus or fœtus) is something I like to eat. The … A fetus (also spelled foetus or fœtus) is something I like to eat. The plural is fetuses.



If foetus' have rights, where do you draw the line? A zygote? A sperm?

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ClarityofMind;6646454

I think you need to clarify what question you're offering for discussion. … I think you need to clarify what question you're offering for discussion. P.S... I thought embryonic >> 9 weeks9weeks + foetus?



Well the Q is, should a foetus be treated in the same way as human? Just because they are underdeveloped physically should that mean that they have less rights (i.e abortion). If they do have 'less rights', could one therefore assume that a 2 month old baby has less rights than a one year old, simply because the one year old is more developed?

At 22 days, the foetus's heart beats with it's own blood. I'd say around then as a heart beat is a life. I think the stage they will routinely abort at is horrendous. Obviously it is a completely different matter when there are health issues and risks etc.

hdizzle;6646511

Well the Q is, should a foetus be treated in the same way as human? Just … Well the Q is, should a foetus be treated in the same way as human? Just because they are underdeveloped physically should that mean that they have less rights (i.e abortion). If they do have 'less rights', could one therefore assume that a 2 month old baby has less rights than a one year old, simply because the one year old is more developed?



Point is being born is not arbitrary, whereas a foetus beginning at 9/11/12 weeks absolutely is...

Banana79;6646528

At 22 days, the foetus's heart beats with it's own blood. I'd say around … At 22 days, the foetus's heart beats with it's own blood. I'd say around then as a heart beat is a life.



A heart is surely just a (fairly basic) organ - not necessarily a life. An artificial heart is absolutely possible - brain development is surely a better indication of life...

hdizzle;6646511

Well the Q is, should a foetus be treated in the same way as human? Just … Well the Q is, should a foetus be treated in the same way as human? Just because they are underdeveloped physically should that mean that they have less rights (i.e abortion). If they do have 'less rights', could one therefore assume that a 2 month old baby has less rights than a one year old, simply because the one year old is more developed?


when i think the latter part cant apply as post birth the baby is a separate entity.

thesaint;6646479

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I think once a baby has been concieved be it 1 day or 1 month or even longer it will still be a living person and I think that it has every right to be born and not aborted.

OP, are you studying moral philosophy or similar?

At what stage if assaulting a pregnant woman and the unborn baby died would that be classed as murder?

DAMNOME;6646856

At what stage if assaulting a pregnant woman and the unborn baby died … At what stage if assaulting a pregnant woman and the unborn baby died would that be classed as murder?



Depends on the juristiction of the crime and several other factors x

Thinking of a similar case in Florida last year... the husband was done for murder one, twice for the murder of his wife, and their unborn child as the baby was around 7 months gestation I think and already " viable" outside the womb.

Life begins at conception

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windhoek;6646811

OP, are you studying moral philosophy or similar?



Well I study science, but I've been researching the philosophical side of things more recently.

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vickywil5;6646785

I think once a baby has been concieved be it 1 day or 1 month or even … I think once a baby has been concieved be it 1 day or 1 month or even longer it will still be a living person and I think that it has every right to be born and not aborted.


A plant is alive, is it against the grain if we don't water it?

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Lulu'sMammy;6647407

A plant is alive, is it against the grain if we don't water it?



If a plant was killed, no-one would be held accountable.

If a human was killed, someone would be held accountable.

The two cannot be compared.

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tinkerbell28;6647543

So, let's use that example, a mother is 20 weeks they find an advanced … So, let's use that example, a mother is 20 weeks they find an advanced brain tumour, she dies or baby dies, they need to treat the tumour and operate, so who would you choose, allow the baby a few more weeks to live in the womb until viable, as they would have equal rights, in which time a fast growing tumour could be inoperable, or abort the pregnancy thus "killing" the unborn UNVIABLE child and give the mother a chance?



That's fair enough.

But what about in normal circumstances, where there is no threat to the mother's life?
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