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    anyone catch it yesterday.
    i am the first to admitt i had a very closed minded opinion about people on JSA.. but wow its not easy for them ...made me open my eyes and realise how hard it is for some. physically and mentally.

    but really....do most people on benefits live like that?

    i mean u feel like benefits = my tax money, so when that old guy was on the beach saying yeah well im not gonna bother looking for work it does wind u up. but then they only need to work a little bit and then they have no housing benefit and benefits..... that needs to be slightly changed so people have that drive, if the incentive of earning their own money isnt enough...iykwim

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    Yeah i mean surely letting them do some sort of work in return for benefits is a better idea

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    RBH;8067725

    Yeah i mean surely letting them do some sort of work in return for … Yeah i mean surely letting them do some sort of work in return for benefits is a better idea



    but then a part of me said, u earnt £150...give back the £40 and enjoy ur own £150 well earned cash. maybe they could keep the housing benefit till they hit another milestone. but isnt there a feeling of self-worth of earning ur own money?

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    Carley;8067734

    I need to earn +£18k to make it advantageous to work atm, this will … I need to earn +£18k to make it advantageous to work atm, this will change when my mortgage protection runs out in a couple of months but it does take the incentive to work for peanuts away.



    so, what u gonna do?

    like one of them said though, you dont have to declare what you earn

    yeah agree with you magicbeans will get them off their backsides and hopefully wanting to work knowing that they have some sort of security if they do.

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    is this like a continuation of 1 of the other several threads started

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    Carley;8067761

    keep applying for jobs that pay +£18k, had an interview this morning as … keep applying for jobs that pay +£18k, had an interview this morning as it goes. :)they have been few and far between but it seems to be picking up now, at least from what i have noticed.


    oo good luck!!!

    capend;8067768

    like one of them said though, you dont have to declare what you earn



    thats fraud. dont u think its unfair on tax payers as well. we pay 40% of our income as tax. id much rather it was being used towards things i use like NHS, instead of someone who uses it to top up their income.

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    casparwhite;8067792

    is this like a continuation of 1 of the other several threads started



    sorry i did look for a thread but couldnt find it.

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    I was disgusted by this program. I turned it on expecting to see famous people and was apalled when I realised the unemployed people featured were more famous by the "celebrities"

    capend;8067768

    like one of them said though, you dont have to declare what you earn



    No you don't but then you risk going to prison! I couldn't walk out of my house every morning wondering if anyone was watching me fiddle the system.

    You should get 8 weeks of benefits to find a job and then stop getting any anyways, then if they don't work they get nothing, if they work a little, they get something.

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    DanJackson;8067806

    I was disgusted by this program. I turned it on expecting to see famous … I was disgusted by this program. I turned it on expecting to see famous people and was apalled when I realised the unemployed people featured were more famous by the "celebrities"



    :giggle:

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    bazzaric;8067818

    You should get 8 weeks of benefits to find a job and then stop getting … You should get 8 weeks of benefits to find a job and then stop getting any anyways, then if they don't work they get nothing, if they work a little, they get something.



    american system is similar right ...but 6 months i think?

    i dont think the odd £50 for a bit of painting would really make a big difference, only to the guy doing it.

    capend;8067825

    i dont think the odd £50 for a bit of painting would really make a big … i dont think the odd £50 for a bit of painting would really make a big difference, only to the guy doing it.



    It makes a difference to me as a taxpayer. I know, i will give up my job and get everyone else that works to pay my mortgage, council tax and give me money for food, then i will do two days a week work cash in hand to fund my booze and fags.

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    queenlush;8067864

    It makes a difference to me as a taxpayer. I know, i will give up my job … It makes a difference to me as a taxpayer. I know, i will give up my job and get everyone else that works to pay my mortgage, council tax and give me money for food, then i will do two days a week work cash in hand to fund my booze and fags.



    haha!!

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    magicbeans;8067804

    sorry i did look for a thread but couldnt find it.



    there were several last night.......

    guess they must have ended up in the spam bin same as every other thread that starts on this topic

    lets hope you never find yourself in that situation , might not be as much to haha about then

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    if only everything was as black and white, but i suppose that would still be easy to watch from a comfortable armchair

    Carley;8067858

    ive been out of work for 16 months now and after 6 months unemployment … ive been out of work for 16 months now and after 6 months unemployment all i've been getting is my national insurance stamp paid, my wife gets working tax credit and we have to live of that and her wage.If there was an option to work for benefits (min wage) and still get my mortgage protection paid then i would opt for it.



    So the taxpayer has to keep you so that you can keep your house?

    I'm not trying to have a go at you personally here, but surely the fact you haven't worked in 16 months means you can't afford a mortgage anyway?

    Carley;8067927

    It's a private insurance policy (mortgage protection), i pay a policy … It's a private insurance policy (mortgage protection), i pay a policy premium to the bank and whilst i'm out of work the bank covers the mortgage payment, nowt to do with the tax payer.



    But you receive benefits while you are out of work? And you won't get a job until you can afford your mortgage?

    Carley;8067957

    Once the mortgage protection expires then i will start looking for any … Once the mortgage protection expires then i will start looking for any work, even minimum wage if i have to, as i said earlier i couldn't find the incentive to work for minimum wage when the mortgage was already being paid by the insurance.



    I understand what you are saying and i wouldn't like a job that just paid minimum wage, but you have just said what thousands of unemployed people are doing. There are people out there with a council house being paid for and basic needs being met that can't be bothered to get a mundane job with rubbish pay. Why get out of bed to probably work for very little more.

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    magicbeans;8067798

    thats fraud. dont u think its unfair on tax payers as well. we pay 40% of … thats fraud. dont u think its unfair on tax payers as well. we pay 40% of our income as tax. id much rather it was being used towards things i use like NHS, instead of someone who uses it to top up their income.



    Do you pay tax MB?

    I thought you was a full-time mummy.

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    Carley;8068093

    Exactly, and that was what part of the programme was trying to portray, … Exactly, and that was what part of the programme was trying to portray, why work when you could be worse off?



    because people think you only have self worth if you have a job, when in reality self worth comes with who you are, and is not dictated by what job who have or dont, not being able to put food in ya families belly or keeping a roof over their head is really self worth

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    sassie;8068108

    because people think you only have self worth if you have a job, when in … because people think you only have self worth if you have a job, when in reality self worth comes with who you are, and is not dictated by what job who have or dont, not being able to put food in ya families belly or keeping a roof over their head is really self worth



    If only things were as black and white as this:roll:

    Self-worth is a subjective construct - for a lot of people their achievements are a big part of this, and one of the easier measures of this in society is through job performance.

    Of course, one can easily delude themselves that they are happy with where they are in life, but that can only last so long.

    a thread on HUKD discussing people on benefits,that makes a change:)

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    DLM;8068069

    Do you pay tax MB?I thought you was a full-time mummy.


    yeah im full time mummy..but what my hubby earns is our money. 40% is a massive chunk they take every year...but then seeing how fab the NHS is u cant knock it. im not generallising all those on benefits as fraudsters. in actual fact seeing that programme i ws like wow.....its quite tragic how some people live. i think that 16 hours and all benefits stopped is harsh.... should be cut down slowly so the incentive is there.

    boothy;8068192

    a thread on HUKD discussing people on benefits,that makes a change:)



    no daily mail link for u?

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    magicbeans;8068960

    yeah im full time mummy..but what my hubby earns is our money. 40% is a … yeah im full time mummy..but what my hubby earns is our money. 40% is a massive chunk they take every year...but then seeing how fab the NHS is u cant knock it. im not generallising all those on benefits as fraudsters. in actual fact seeing that programme i ws like wow.....its quite tragic how some people live. i think that 16 hours and all benefits stopped is harsh.... should be cut down slowly so the incentive is there. no daily mail link for u?



    maybe try looking at it differently, as in should he ever leave you to fend for your family alone then he has already paid his share into the sytem should you or your children ever need it :thumbsup:

    too many lazy scoundrels in the UK!!! Get em back to work!!
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