Fantastic news.! Brexit: PM to trigger Article 50 by end of March.!

Found 2nd Oct 2016
About time too.!

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Original Poster

Here is a facepalm to all those that were saying "Brexit will never happen".

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And here's a tissue to dry your eyes

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Lame,

How about 2pm today? Should have been done the morning after WE WON the vote to get out of the quagmire!

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Graham1979

Lame,How about 2pm today? Should have been done the morning after WE WON … Lame,How about 2pm today? Should have been done the morning after WE WON the vote to get out of the quagmire!



True, However it is honestly better that we exit with a plan.!.

Banned

See ya!

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I'm continually surprised by the reactions to stuff like this.

Most people I know simply want to be able to go about their lives uninterrupted, work hard, have security and stability for their families and some certainty in the future.

But then I see these reactions of people celebrating some great upcoming change, that everything will be better because of a possible Brexit.

It's sad in a way. That second group think that suddenly their ship will come in, whereas the first are genuinely fearful of what will happen to the lives they've built up as jobs potentially move overseas.

I think there's genuinely two Britains. One who wants to elevate themselves and one who wants to have those who have excelled brought down in some way.

My prediction - things won't change. Those who wait for things to change for them will continue whilst the other group will work to make things work for them.

Plus ça change.

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

I'm continually surprised by the reactions to stuff like this.Most people … I'm continually surprised by the reactions to stuff like this.Most people I know simply want to be able to go about their lives uninterrupted, work hard, have security and stability for their families and some certainty in the future.But then I see these reactions of people celebrating some great upcoming change, that everything will be better because of a possible Brexit.It's sad in a way. That second group think that suddenly their ship will come in, whereas the first are genuinely fearful of what will happen to the lives they've built up as jobs potentially move overseas.I think there's genuinely two Britains. One who wants to elevate themselves and one who wants to have those who have excelled brought down in some way. My prediction - things won't change. Those who wait for things to change for them will continue whilst the other group will work to make things work for them. Plus ça change.



Dry your eyes mate, Democracy has won.

shauneco

Dry your eyes mate, Democracy has won.




Mate, they can't cope with it they honestly can't. We have the opportunity to govern ourselves, live and die by our own sword but they have been indoctrinated from the very beginning. It's like a religion to them.

OUR politicians now have to work for a living, they answer to us and aren't bound by the EU trade deals. We are free of a system, that was flawed from the very beginning and eroded the democracy our fore-fathers died for.

Cheap migration has stopped wage increases, we are filling low skilled jobs with people happy to work for the minimum wage because it is three times what they earn back in eastern Europe. We are not taking doctors and surgeons from these countries but the unemployed and low skilled of which we have 10 million plus of our own. You can't blame people for wanting a better life but it WILL NOT BE AT MY EXPENSE. I sat in the dentist last week listen to a man from Romania telling the receptionist how wonderful the service was, he his wife and three kids were there and paid nothing, I paid £60. Explain to me how this is fair?

Banned

It won't be long until I can use my favourite keenan and kel gif

I think Generation Snowflake will be in for a rude awakening. They believe the Brexit-fairy will come along and free them of the chains that have been holding them back.

The truth is that YOU are the biggest determinant of your success. The system isn't rigged, the elite aren't holding you back and the boogeyman of your choice (immigration, the EU, the illuminati, the media elite) aren't stopping you from doing anything.

That was what our forefathers knew. That's what they taught a lot of us. Invoking them when you don't understand what they stood for is disgracing their memory.

I'm quite positive Brexit will have a beneficial long term effect but goodness knows what will happen in the short term.
Given the current problems within the EU with the banking crises, immigration and rise of right wing groups I struggle to see it surviving.
Can't help but think this announcement (as opposed to stalling) is an attempt for the uk to buffer itself ASAP from a downwards spiralling cesspool of problems.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

I think Generation Snowflake will be in for a rude awakening. They … I think Generation Snowflake will be in for a rude awakening. They believe the Brexit-fairy will come along and free them of the chains that have been holding them back.The truth is that YOU are the biggest determinant of your success. The system isn't rigged, the elite aren't holding you back and the boogeyman of your choice (immigration, the EU, the illuminati, the media elite) aren't stopping you from doing anything.That was what our forefathers knew. That's what they taught a lot of us. Invoking them when you don't understand what they stood for is disgracing their memory.



I liked this for usage of generation snowflake

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

I'm continually surprised by the reactions to stuff like this.Most people … I'm continually surprised by the reactions to stuff like this.Most people I know simply want to be able to go about their lives uninterrupted, work hard, have security and stability for their families and some certainty in the future.But then I see these reactions of people celebrating some great upcoming change, that everything will be better because of a possible Brexit.It's sad in a way. That second group think that suddenly their ship will come in, whereas the first are genuinely fearful of what will happen to the lives they've built up as jobs potentially move overseas.I think there's genuinely two Britains. One who wants to elevate themselves and one who wants to have those who have excelled brought down in some way. My prediction - things won't change. Those who wait for things to change for them will continue whilst the other group will work to make things work for them. Plus ça change.


Personally, with tons of caveats, I thought simply, "Brexit was those who have not versus those who had direct or perceived benefits from EU".
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Brexit will happen, but it is going to be soft vs. hard, vs. hard centred soft outside vs. soft centre hard outside. Tory will be split as split party , just like Labour.

john184

I'm quite positive Brexit will have a beneficial long term effect but … I'm quite positive Brexit will have a beneficial long term effect but goodness knows what will happen in the short term.Given the current problems within the EU with the banking crises, immigration and rise of right wing groups I struggle to see it surviving.Can't help but think this announcement (as opposed to stalling) is an attempt for the uk to buffer itself ASAP from a downwards spiralling cesspool of problems.


EU may go back to its size of the number of member states prior to 1973, but definitely will survive.

Graham1979

Mate, they can't cope with it they honestly can't. We have the … Mate, they can't cope with it they honestly can't. We have the opportunity to govern ourselves, live and die by our own sword but they have been indoctrinated from the very beginning. It's like a religion to them.OUR politicians now have to work for a living, they answer to us and aren't bound by the EU trade deals. We are free of a system, that was flawed from the very beginning and eroded the democracy our fore-fathers died for.Cheap migration has stopped wage increases, we are filling low skilled jobs with people happy to work for the minimum wage because it is three times what they earn back in eastern Europe. We are not taking doctors and surgeons from these countries but the unemployed and low skilled of which we have 10 million plus of our own. You can't blame people for wanting a better life but it WILL NOT BE AT MY EXPENSE. I sat in the dentist last week listen to a man from Romania telling the receptionist how wonderful the service was, he his wife and three kids were there and paid nothing, I paid £60. Explain to me how this is fair?


On that note, bye bye to self governing Scots, Welsh and N.Irish. Th Northern Powerhouse can self govern too.
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May be difficult to have a "Hadrian's" Wall or Trump Wall should Scots vote for EU. But could upgrade our nuclear deal with China to build the Great Wall of England and have that cost built into the electricity tariff.
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Edited by: "splender" 2nd Oct 2016

Graham1979

I sat in the dentist last week listen to a man from Romania telling the … I sat in the dentist last week listen to a man from Romania telling the receptionist how wonderful the service was, he his wife and three kids were there and paid nothing, I paid £60. Explain to me how this is fair?



We definitely need strict immigration control. I have no issues with Romanian/Polish folk coming in if they're doctors, surgeons, dentists, etc. Come here for decent paying jobs and pay a decent amount of tax. But most of them come for a comfy life on benefits or to work low paying jobs, taking jobs away from our own. It doesn't really affect the silver spooned type folks who voted IN, but it does for the folk at the bottom of the ladder working non-graduate jobs, etc.

I also have a funny feeling if I was to get up and leave the UK, move to Poland or Romania, they'd be a lot less welcoming towards me than we are to them.

splender

EU may go back to its size of the number of member states prior to 1973, … EU may go back to its size of the number of member states prior to 1973, but definitely will survive.



Yeah, I meant survive in it's current form.
If it stayed for its original purpose as a common trade platform rather than what it is now they likely wouldn't be in the mess they are and Brexit wouldn't have happened.

john184

Yeah, I meant survive in it's current form.If it stayed for its original … Yeah, I meant survive in it's current form.If it stayed for its original purpose as a common trade platform rather than what it is now they likely wouldn't be in the mess they are and Brexit wouldn't have happened.


The original countries could now go for confederation as they are most similar, means convergence of pension, tax , currency, jobs and social services as this would work well like US and China (and India). Freedom of movement of people very hard to work when there is no freedom of movement of social services and social capital investment, that's what bust UK out of EU.

KM4353

We definitely need strict immigration control. I have no issues with … We definitely need strict immigration control. I have no issues with Romanian/Polish folk coming in if they're doctors, surgeons, dentists, etc. Come here for decent paying jobs and pay a decent amount of tax. But most of them come for a comfy life on benefits or to work low paying jobs, taking jobs away from our own. It doesn't really affect the silver spooned type folks who voted IN, but it does for the folk at the bottom of the ladder working non-graduate jobs, etc.I also have a funny feeling if I was to get up and leave the UK, move to Poland or Romania, they'd be a lot less welcoming towards me than we are to them.


UK has already toughest measures, what do you think would work better? Definitely not the PBS method as that is used to attract immigrants on point based calculation.
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That's another point of my other post about low paid jobs, if we British couldn't do or want to do the menial jobs or extended opening hours then someone has to (and many of these jobs were filled by immigrants and are still being filled by immigrants).

I don't agree with the argument of only having immigrants for jobs like doctors and surgeons. I would prefer a method of creating immediate jobs with the task of individually assessing those already here on visas to see if they are of benefit or detriment to the economy. Immigration is a good thing if they are putting more into the economy than they are taking out.

I bet Cameron is spinning in his sty.

drasim

I don't agree with the argument of only having immigrants for jobs like … I don't agree with the argument of only having immigrants for jobs like doctors and surgeons. I would prefer a method of creating immediate jobs with the task of individually assessing those already here on visas to see if they are of benefit or detriment to the economy. Immigration is a good thing if they are putting more into the economy than they are taking out.


It is well known that immigration is a good thing , net positive for economy. The issue was and is, the net positives were very unevenly distributed. So ended up with a bust up of "have nots" versus "who haves" from the EU benefits.

haritori

I bet Cameron is spinning in his sty.


No way, he will be rolling in money soon, if not already, though wouldn't be so popular as advisor to Deutsche Bank, French TGV, European Bank..

splender

That's another point of my other post about low paid jobs, if we British … That's another point of my other post about low paid jobs, if we British couldn't do or want to do the menial jobs or extended opening hours then someone has to



I'm pretty sure if no one wanted to do certain jobs they'd raise the wage so that someone would. Take binmen for example, no one wants to be a binman and that's why they make a decent amount of money.

Also the type of person who comes over to do "menial" jobs is more likely to end up being a burden on the tax payer.

KM4353

I'm pretty sure if no one wanted to do certain jobs they'd raise the wage … I'm pretty sure if no one wanted to do certain jobs they'd raise the wage so that someone would. Take binmen for example, no one wants to be a binman and that's why they make a decent amount of money.Also the type of person who comes over to do "menial" jobs is more likely to end up being a burden on the tax payer.



A complete re-assessment of tax credits could help with the 'menial' job situation. As it is, employers have no incentive to raise wages when they know the government will 'top it up'. It'll also reduce the amount of the 'self employed' who sit around blogging or doing £20 a week turnover from their business that no-one wants or needs, but doesn't matter as they'll get a top up. Suddenly you'll have people queuing up to work for factories, etc.

drasim

I liked this for usage of generation snowflake



Or rather the misuse of 'generation snowflake' as they are the kind of people who voted remain.

haritori

I bet Cameron is spinning in his sty.



With a pig attached to a certain part of his body

Good!

shauneco

True, However it is honestly better that we exit with a plan.!.


And what plan would that be? Changing a commitment to implement Article 50 by the end of the year to implementing it by the end of March 2017? It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Apart from Nigel Farage and a few looney right wingers, there were hardly any politicians who wanted to leave the EU (including Bozo Johnson!). Doesn't that tell you something?

RonChew

And what plan would that be? Changing a commitment to implement Article … And what plan would that be? Changing a commitment to implement Article 50 by the end of the year to implementing it by the end of March 2017? It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Apart from Nigel Farage and a few looney right wingers, there were hardly any politicians who wanted to leave the EU (including Bozo Johnson!). Doesn't that tell you something?


Tells me they all stand to lose personally by Brexit and they were trying to protect their own interests.

Oh dear.

Fred Smith

Or rather the misuse of 'generation snowflake' as they are the kind of … Or rather the misuse of 'generation snowflake' as they are the kind of people who voted remain.



Of course, can't forget the leftist student protests the day after referendum. Hollie was the best though.
'If you could list your 3 favourite things about the EU what would they be?'
'eerrrr.....well....errrr'

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drasim

Of course, can't forget the leftist student protests the day after … Of course, can't forget the leftist student protests the day after referendum. Hollie was the best though.'If you could list your 3 favourite things about the EU what would they be?''eerrrr.....well....errrr'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjUESuwqes


There was also the girl dressed as the EU flag who then claimed she didn't like the EU.

drasim

Of course, can't forget the leftist student protests the day after … Of course, can't forget the leftist student protests the day after referendum. Hollie was the best though.'If you could list your 3 favourite things about the EU what would they be?''eerrrr.....well....errrr'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjUESuwqes


To be fair, she did say, three key points: NHS, united , freedom of movement

splender

To be fair, she did say, three key points: NHS, united , freedom of … To be fair, she did say, three key points: NHS, united , freedom of movement



Yup, the first of which isn't exclusive to the EU. I understand your point, but if you're protesting you should at least be clear on your goals and have an understanding of current affairs.

You couldn't make it up.. I quote

"I don't want Boris Johnson to become our Prime Minister as he is kind of a jokey character"

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said the Psychonaut

splender

To be fair, she did say, three key points: NHS, united , freedom of … To be fair, she did say, three key points: NHS, united , freedom of movement



She was asked what her favourite three things about the EU were, since when was the NHS part of the EU? wasnt that the problem?

and her 2nd point was she wants everyone to have the same opinion? yet she is protesting against other peoples opinions, hmmm..

3rd point was she wants everyone to come to this country and kick no one out.

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haritori

She was asked what her favourite three things about the EU were, since … She was asked what her favourite three things about the EU were, since when was the NHS part of the EU? wasnt that the problem? and her 2nd point was she wants everyone to have the same opinion? yet she is protesting against other peoples opinions, hmmm..3rd point was she wants everyone to come to this country and kick no one out.



She's a fruitcake.

drasim

Yup, the first of which isn't exclusive to the EU. I understand your … Yup, the first of which isn't exclusive to the EU. I understand your point, but if you're protesting you should at least be clear on your goals and have an understanding of current affairs.


Those in the know, NHS needs a lot of immigrant labour: "EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. " So I presume having 10% of registered doctors from EU is a help as our situation is not too certain careers.bmj.com/car…%3F

splender

Those in the know, NHS needs a lot of immigrant labour: "EU immigrants … Those in the know, NHS needs a lot of immigrant labour: "EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. " So I presume having 10% of registered doctors from EU is a help as our situation is not too certain http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Are_more_doctors_leaving_the_UK_for_Australia_and_New_Zealand%3F



Yes it's a help, not disputing any of that.

splender

Those in the know, NHS needs a lot of immigrant labour: "EU immigrants … Those in the know, NHS needs a lot of immigrant labour: "EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. " So I presume having 10% of registered doctors from EU is a help as our situation is not too certain http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Are_more_doctors_leaving_the_UK_for_Australia_and_New_Zealand%3F


So now we're leaving the EU we're duty-bound to turn away qualified doctors from EU nations at the border, are we? X)
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