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    Ok, here is the info I was looking for in regard to how much the Royals actually give to our economy over what they take in income:

    en.wikipedia.org/wik…ate

    Like I said, I'm far from being a Royalist however, it makes good economic sense to keep them!

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    I actually agree with you there 100%

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    :w00t:

    *Picks self up off floor.

    It was obvious you have a thing for me. :-D

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    JonnyTwoToes;8431196

    :w00t:*Picks self up off floor.It was obvious you have a thing for me. :-D



    Na I don't disagree with people for the sake of it honestly, :w00t:

    I totally agree with the op word for word and shhhhhh don't tell my hubby, I won't tell your mrs;-)

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    tinkerbell28;8431219

    Na I don't disagree with people for the sake of it honestly, :w00t:I … Na I don't disagree with people for the sake of it honestly, :w00t:I totally agree with the op word for word and shhhhhh don't tell my hubby, I won't tell your mrs;-)



    Mr fiancee reads my PM's so I've deleted that last one you sent me! You hussy you! :-D

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    JonnyTwoToes;8431287

    Mr fiancee reads my PM's so I've deleted that last one you sent me! You … Mr fiancee reads my PM's so I've deleted that last one you sent me! You hussy you! :-D



    :lol:

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    I see no evidence there that suggests we'd be any poorer if we got rid of them. Summarise for me...

    tinkerbell28;8431166

    I actually agree with you there 100%



    tinkerbell28;8431219

    Na I don't disagree with people for the sake of it honestly, :w00t:I … Na I don't disagree with people for the sake of it honestly, :w00t:I totally agree with the op word for word and shhhhhh don't tell my hubby, I won't tell your mrs;-)



    +1

    master_chief;8431349

    I see no evidence there that suggests we'd be any poorer if we got rid of … I see no evidence there that suggests we'd be any poorer if we got rid of them. Summarise for me...


    +1
    We would save £41.5 million straight off.
    And think of the worldwide film and tv rights for the public hangings. Do it properly and we could even have a Pop Idol/Crimewatch hybrid were people phone a premium rate phone line to give the whereabouts of royals and peers with a chance to win a sliding reward scale depending where they are in the line for the throne.
    Regarding the Crown Estate
    Wikipedia entry

    it is no longer the private property of the reigning monarch and cannot … it is no longer the private property of the reigning monarch and cannot be sold by him/her, nor do the revenues from it belong to the monarch personally


    It wouldn't be that big a step to take these properties into public ownership. After all Henry VIII and his cronies took most of it from the catholics anyway.. :evil:

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    master_chief;8431349

    I see no evidence there that suggests we'd be any poorer if we got rid of … I see no evidence there that suggests we'd be any poorer if we got rid of them. Summarise for me...



    [COLOR="Black"]The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to HM Treasury[/COLOR]

    ...and an annual profit of £226.5 million

    You do the math.

    JonnyTwoToes;8436688

    [COLOR="Black"]The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to … [COLOR="Black"]The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to HM Treasury[/COLOR]...and an annual profit of £226.5 millionYou do the math.



    But you'd still get that without them as its from the land. Think that's the point. 226mil is sod all anyway:whistling:

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    Shengis;8436963

    But you'd still get that without them as its from the land. Think that's … But you'd still get that without them as its from the land. Think that's the point. 226mil is sod all anyway:whistling:



    How do you work that out? Are you saying that the royal connections to the Crown Estates have no influence of the amount of money they take.

    Buckingham Palace is the Queens home. Take the Queen away and you get a big house. Same attraction?

    JonnyTwoToes;8437107

    How do you work that out? Are you saying that the royal connections to … How do you work that out? Are you saying that the royal connections to the Crown Estates have no influence of the amount of money they take.Buckingham Palace is the Queens home. Take the Queen away and you get a big house. Same attraction?



    of course its the same attraction, I couldn't give a monkey's if the Queens there or not, the history of the place is not gonna change is it?

    I don't go to the Tower of London expecting to see the King there still...................

    JonnyTwoToes;8437107

    How do you work that out? Are you saying that the royal connections to … How do you work that out? Are you saying that the royal connections to the Crown Estates have no influence of the amount of money they take.Buckingham Palace is the Queens home. Take the Queen away and you get a big house. Same attraction?



    Yes. People visit stately homes, castles etc. Got nowt to do with who lives there, they just go to look. Charles dickens lived in Rochester, people visit there to see where he lived. Same thing. Not sure why they do it but they do. I was passing through Faversham the other night and made a pilgrimage to Harty Ferry just to drink from the well. I was there about 5 minutes. Pointless but I did it.

    Shengis;8437231

    Yes. People visit stately homes, castles etc. Got nowt to do with who … Yes. People visit stately homes, castles etc. Got nowt to do with who lives there, they just go to look. Charles dickens lived in Rochester, people visit there to see where he lived. Same thing. Not sure why they do it but they do. I was passing through Faversham the other night and made a pilgrimage to Harty Ferry just to drink from the well. I was there about 5 minutes. Pointless but I did it.



    ahem, Broadstairs too

    :thumbsup:

    Bleak Thread this

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    I do think people in this country really underestimate the appeal of the monarchy to tourists and foreigners.

    The Americans in particular are absolutely fascinated by the monarchy.

    JonnyTwoToes;8436688

    [COLOR=black]The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to HM … [COLOR=black]The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to HM Treasury[/COLOR]...and an annual profit of £226.5 millionYou do the math.


    Firstly I don't know whether to be honoured or horrified that you named a thread for me! Perhaps I will just be Honified (I am copyrighting this term and any future use must make reference to me).

    Secondly, are the Royal family buildings now!!!! :thinking:

    So if we own them can I kip in one if I am in the area?

    tinkerbell28;8437261

    I do think people in this country really underestimate the appeal of the … I do think people in this country really underestimate the appeal of the monarchy to tourists and foreigners.The Americans in particular are absolutely fascinated by the monarchy.



    But people visit the US to see the White House etc. I agree though, the yanks are fascinated by the Queen etc. Comes from having no history of their own:whistling:

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    Alfonse;8437223

    of course its the same attraction, I couldn't give a monkey's if the … of course its the same attraction, I couldn't give a monkey's if the Queens there or not, the history of the place is not gonna change is it?I don't go to the Tower of London expecting to see the King there still...................



    But the history [COLOR="Red"]IS[/COLOR] of the monarchs !?!?!?!

    Is their any other (non royalist) history associated with the crown estates?

    tinkerbell28;8437261

    I do think people in this country really underestimate the appeal of the … I do think people in this country really underestimate the appeal of the monarchy to tourists and foreigners.The Americans in particular are absolutely fascinated by the monarchy.



    thats because the Americans have no history and destroyed the local peoples lives and land that had any history

    JonnyTwoToes;8437279

    But the history [COLOR="Red"]IS[/COLOR] of the monarchs !?!?!?!Is their … But the history [COLOR="Red"]IS[/COLOR] of the monarchs !?!?!?!Is their any other (non royalist) history associated with the crown estates?



    yeah its history, wow :roll:

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    Plum;8437266

    Firstly I don't know whether to be honoured or horrified that you named a … Firstly I don't know whether to be honoured or horrified that you named a thread for me! Perhaps I will just be Honified (I am copyrighting this term and any future use must make reference to me).Secondly, are the Royal family buildings now!!!! :thinking:So if we own them can I kip in one if I am in the area?



    It's about the Crown Estate - that is what I was trying to think of when you first brought this topic up.

    JonnyTwoToes;8437279

    But the history [COLOR=red]IS[/COLOR] of the monarchs !?!?!?!Is their any … But the history [COLOR=red]IS[/COLOR] of the monarchs !?!?!?!Is their any other (non royalist) history associated with the crown estates?


    If we chopped off their heads it would still be history!
    And what an attraction that would make.
    3D glasses etc.

    Joking aside for a second (and I can only promise that much)

    What about the story of who actually built these things?

    How they were worked?

    Or are you saying the Queen or King did a lot of DIY.... Opps don't think I even made the full 60 seconds ...:oops:

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    99% of the buildings in the Crown Estates wouldn't have been built if they weren't built for the sole purpose for the monarchy.

    Stop making me stand up for the royals!

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    Plum;8437308

    If we chopped off their heads it would still be history!And what an … If we chopped off their heads it would still be history!And what an attraction that would make.3D glasses etc.Joking aside for a second (and I can only promise that much) [COLOR="Red"]What about the story of who actually built these things? How they were worked?[/COLOR]Or are you saying the Queen or King did a lot of DIY.... Opps don't think I even made the full 60 seconds ...:oops:



    Don't you bring socialism into this thread!

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    Shengis;8437274

    But people visit the US to see the White House etc. I agree though, the … But people visit the US to see the White House etc. I agree though, the yanks are fascinated by the Queen etc. Comes from having no history of their own:whistling:



    Alfonse;8437286

    thats because the Americans have no history and destroyed the local … thats because the Americans have no history and destroyed the local peoples lives and land that had any history



    Indeed but the monarchy are still a huge pull for tourists to come here and visit.

    tinkerbell28;8437337

    Indeed but the monarchy are still a huge pull for tourists to come here … Indeed but the monarchy are still a huge pull for tourists to come here and visit.



    they'd still come if the monarchy no longer existed

    JonnyTwoToes;8437311

    99% of the buildings in the Crown Estates wouldn't have been built if … 99% of the buildings in the Crown Estates wouldn't have been built if they weren't built for the sole purpose for the monarchy.Stop making me stand up for the royals!



    But that was in the time of the 'great' kings & queens, conquest and all that. It's all just stagnant now. What have they built recently?

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    Alfonse;8437358

    they'd still come if the monarchy no longer existed



    See I don't think they would not in the numbers they do, but there is no way to say one way or the other really.

    tinkerbell28;8437379

    See I don't think they would not in the numbers they do, but there is no … See I don't think they would not in the numbers they do, but there is no way to say one way or the other really.



    People visit Graceland, not seen fat ******* in residence lately :lol:

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    Shengis;8437366

    But that was in the time of the 'great' kings & queens, conquest and all … But that was in the time of the 'great' kings & queens, conquest and all that. It's all just stagnant now. What have they built recently?



    'Great' kings and Queens. On what level of 'Greatness' are you judging that?

    JonnyTwoToes;8437398

    'Great' kings and Queens. On what level of 'Greatness' are you judging … 'Great' kings and Queens. On what level of 'Greatness' are you judging that?



    lol weak

    tinkerbell28;8437379

    See I don't think they would not in the numbers they do, but there is no … See I don't think they would not in the numbers they do, but there is no way to say one way or the other really.



    well IMO that's utter tish

    JonnyTwoToes;8437398

    'Great' kings and Queens. On what level of 'Greatness' are you judging … 'Great' kings and Queens. On what level of 'Greatness' are you judging that?



    On the level that they actually did something that was worthy of historical record. Chopping off their wives heads etc :lol: I'm not anti royals but can't off the top of my head think of anything they've done lately (for lately read, within my lifetime). Apart from Charlie talking to the plants and that one who wrote kids books about a helicopter or something, and shes not even a 'proper' royal.... Not in the same league really.

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    Shengis;8437397

    People visit Graceland, not seen fat ******* in residence lately :lol:



    :lol:

    Alfonse;8437418

    well IMO that's utter tish



    Well it's all opinion isn't it, my opinion is it's not:thumbsup:

    Shengis;8437427

    On the level that they actually did something that was worthy of … On the level that they actually did something that was worthy of historical record. Chopping off their wives heads etc :lol: I'm not anti royals but can't off the top of my head think of anything they've done lately (for lately read, within my lifetime). Apart from Charlie talking to the plants and that one who wrote kids books about a helicopter or something, and shes not even a 'proper' royal.... Not in the same league really.



    I know what you mean.

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    Shengis;8437427

    On the level that they actually did something that was worthy of … On the level that they actually did something that was worthy of historical record. Chopping off their wives heads etc :lol: I'm not anti royals but can't off the top of my head think of anything they've done lately (for lately read, within my lifetime). Apart from Charlie talking to the plants and that one who wrote kids books about a helicopter or something, and shes not even a 'proper' royal.... Not in the same league really.



    Their lives aren't as exciting as you may think. A condensed history of a monarch's reign may seem 'great/exciting' but look at how long the actually reigned for and it get's pretty dull.
    You'd have to go back to before the 1400's to get real excitement! (Killing Scottish people/having pokers shoved up bums, that type of thing).

    I'm sure if our Queen had the chance, she'd be doing both of those activities, probably in that order.

    tinkerbell28;8437479

    Well it's all opinion isn't it, my opinion is it's not:thumbsup:.



    well it is, if you think tourists just come here because we have a monarchy, I think you'll find its because we HAD a monarchy rather than some tax dodgers with little to do with anything

    JonnyTwoToes;8437496

    Their lives aren't as exciting as you may think. A condensed history of … Their lives aren't as exciting as you may think. A condensed history of a monarch's reign may seem 'great/exciting' but look at how long the actually reigned for and it get's pretty dull.You'd have to go back to before the 1400's to get real excitement! (Killing Scottish people/having pokers shoved up bums, that type of thing).I'm sure if our Queen had the chance, she'd be doing both of those activities, probably in that order.



    I'm sending David Starkey to come and slap you

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    Alfonse;8437515

    I'm sending David Starkey to come and slap you



    I'd slap him back. And then slap him again for being an annoying, over sensitive, pain the teeth!
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