farce on paul o'grady - "eco-friendly" ideas....BURN PAPER

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Found 3rd Dec 2008
SO, just been watching the paul o'grady show, where they had some eco friendly idea's for xmas...like not wrapping your gifts, using a pressure cooker......and...compressing and burning your old paper....

HELLO....and i going daft here....are we not meant to be recycling paper ?

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lol very good point

Stupid programme for hormonal old dears! ;-)

nah burn it , it'll probs turn up on an indian dump saomewhere (espec if you have details in the paper you throw ourt and no shredder

Original Poster

i dont watch paul o'grady........ive just reminded myself why.

Its all very well.....if you have a open fire in your house..which applies to about 3% of the UK !

Burn baby burn!

I put a fire on most nights so any junk mail or confidential mail goes straight in :).

starsparkle2311;3649283

depends, if it was xmas wrapping, it's prob best to burn it, apparantly … depends, if it was xmas wrapping, it's prob best to burn it, apparantly you're supposed to remove the sticky tape before putting it in your blue recycling bin, i have done this once, VERY time consuming, VERY annoying when you know no-one else on your street has and it's all gonna end up in landfill because of that, lol



Not certain that it will go to landfill. Depends on your authority however as to what happens to it.

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i love a good fire.....but ffs use things that are MEANT to be burned.....like WOOD, and COAL, and petrol.

Did anyone on his show offer tips on how not to get bitten by a snake? :w00t:

starsparkle2311;3649344

yeh, maybe not, depends like you say. They're a bit funny on what you … yeh, maybe not, depends like you say. They're a bit funny on what you can and can't put in the bins though.



As a bit of "interest", most authorities are going down the route of PFIs (private finance initiatives) for waste facilities. A major choice is to use items such as MRFs (mechanical recycling facility) which will remove plastics from the paper using NIR (near infra-red) technology. You literally put in MSW (municipal solid waste) in one end and get poorly purified (90%) products out the other side (ferrous metal, non-ferrous metal, paper and card, plastic and plastic film (i.e. selotape) and residues). Now with the example of sellotape on paper, this would only function if you pre-treated the paper by shredding (which would separate most of the paper from the plastic). Some places do this, but they then simple turn the waste into a "new" fuel (RDF - refuse derived fuel).

An autoclave is rather better than a MRF at this (it heats up the waste with steam and adds pressure and mechanical engergy) because the paper drops out into a oraganic mess, the plastic (i.e. sellotape) is then easy to separate. Despite this, even with simple source segration and manual sorting they would still want the paper with sellotape or not, I imagine the paper reprocessing stage will separate the two.

Alternatively, the best option is often to burn waste paper and generate electricity and export heat in a district heating system, such as in Nottingham and Sheffield.

I could go on, but maybe the word interest is relative!

starsparkle2311;3649552

lol, no i read it (all be it very quickly!) with interest, now when the … lol, no i read it (all be it very quickly!) with interest, now when the neighbours are talking "rubbish":oops: I am armed with some actual facts, thanks!!!! :thumbsup:



Well not enough people are recycling and we won't reach the EU targets and end up being fined - hence all waste (even black bag waste) will have to be "pre-treated". We are 30 years behind Europe on this.

cant put foily wrap in recycling

Original Poster

it annoys me when the auth's tell us to wash out our packets before recycling.......who pays for the water again ? surely, when you look at it from CO emmisions POV.....me washing the milk bottle out completely overpowers the benefits of reycling it.

k13 wjd;3649326

i love a good fire.....but ffs use things that are MEANT to be … i love a good fire.....but ffs use things that are MEANT to be burned.....like WOOD, and COAL, and petrol.



Que? :lol:

k13 wjd;3649904

it annoys me when the auth's tell us to wash out our packets before … it annoys me when the auth's tell us to wash out our packets before recycling.......who pays for the water again ? surely, when you look at it from CO emmisions POV.....me washing the milk bottle out completely overpowers the benefits of reycling it.



No, it doesn't, water treatment is done on such a massive scale that washing it out won't cause an issue. The organic content will even be welcomed by the treatment works.

k13 wjd;3649326

i love a good fire.....but ffs use things that are MEANT to be … i love a good fire.....but ffs use things that are MEANT to be burned.....like WOOD, and COAL, and petrol.



Of course paper is wood, it is a pretty reasonable fuel.

pghstochaj;3649956

No, it doesn't, water treatment is done on such a massive scale that … No, it doesn't, water treatment is done on such a massive scale that washing it out won't cause an issue. The organic content will even be welcomed by the treatment works.



I think they mean that many people are on water meters, so they are paying out of their own pocket :thumbsup:

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yeah.....and on the point of water treatment........I'm talking about energy here, carbon footprint.....how much energy does a water treatment plant use???? to clean water....for me to...erm clean an empty bottle.......seems like a big circle of carbon emmisions to me !!!!!


And i was joking about burning petrol....im also well aware that paper, does in fact come from trees.....it does burn well, but is no substitute for a log !

k13 wjd;3650395

yeah.....and on the point of water treatment........I'm talking about … yeah.....and on the point of water treatment........I'm talking about energy here, carbon footprint.....how much energy does a water treatment plant use???? to clean water....for me to...erm clean an empty bottle.......seems like a big circle of carbon emmisions to me !!!!!And i was joking about burning petrol....im also well aware that paper, does in fact come from trees.....it does burn well, but is no substitute for a log !



On an industrial scale it doesn't matter, paper or log.

Again, no, the emissions from washing out a tin does is not enough to say you should not recycle it.

StevenA2000_uk;3649338

Did anyone on his show offer tips on how not to get bitten by a snake? … Did anyone on his show offer tips on how not to get bitten by a snake? :w00t:



lol:-D:-D:-D i.e watch out when you take wood out your woodpile!!!!

they recycle differently up north :giggle:
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