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    Forgotten to pay car tax!!!

    I put the car tax letter on the side in february and forgot to pay it now i have had a note on my car from the police saying they have alerted the DVLA about my expired car tax! I genuinely forgot. Grrrr so mad with myself! anyways going to get the disc back dated on monday! Has anyone done this before and will i get a fine? Among other things im told that my insurance is not valid when i dont have tax!! so annoyed with myself

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    yu need to get tax pronto, wether or not you get a fine. you are right your insurance is invalid when no tax so thank your self lucky you havent had a crash.

    actually im sorry i come across quite aggressive in that post i didnt mean to. but yes you need to get tax. can you buy it online now so that is on its way.

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    jennie-jack;1881843

    actually im sorry i come across quite aggressive in that post i didnt … actually im sorry i come across quite aggressive in that post i didnt mean to. but yes you need to get tax. can you buy it online now so that is on its way.



    lol thats ok i get it, i tried it online but it says its to late, my car is now off of the road and i wont use it till i buy it on monday.

    my hubby saw someone in handcuffs the other day they were doing a spot check for non payment of tax, police were there dvla van was there a car loader wa there and they were pulling people in randomly and then had one chap and put his car on the loader and him in handcuffs

    masterruckus;1881852

    lol thats ok i get it, i tried it online but it says its to late, my car … lol thats ok i get it, i tried it online but it says its to late, my car is now off of the road and i wont use it till i buy it on monday.



    can only get on.ine before beginning of month - I think 5 days or so before (maybe more), worth remembering for nect time though - sorry about your bad luck, we do all forget sometimes and they should allow for a few days like they used to

    Think I read somewhere about having a certain amout of time to comply (7 days?) after being caught by police. Hopefully therefore you'll avoid a fine as long as you get the post office soonest.

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    yep. if you dont pay your tax then your insurance is invalid. Then again, all you'll get these days for no tax/insurance is a £100 fine and 5 points judging by my local press and thats if they come down heavy. Its starting to get to the stage where I think why do I bother paying either!

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    I got done for tax by a traffic warden - and ironically it was when I was driving to the town centre to buy the damn disc! That fact never saved me - even though I had a valid disc for the month - I didnt on the day (well not by a couple of hours!)

    My dad phoned up our insurance company a few years ago because he wanted to know when he next needed to renew it. They told him he wasnt insured as he never returned the previous years renewal form :w00t:. Ooops

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    Liddle ol' me;1881873

    Think I read somewhere about having a certain amout of time to comply (7 … Think I read somewhere about having a certain amout of time to comply (7 days?) after being caught by police. Hopefully therefore you'll avoid a fine as long as you get the post office soonest.


    Total myth. A deadline is a deadline for tax, MOT and insurance. No grace whatsoever.

    csiman;1881882

    Total myth. A deadline is a deadline for tax, MOT and insurance. No grace … Total myth. A deadline is a deadline for tax, MOT and insurance. No grace whatsoever.



    Seems you are right. A quick search finds this: askthe.police.uk/con…htm

    I'm sorry... it's too late, the DVLA are coming to your house with their invisible mobile car crusher!

    From moneysavingexpert

    ]WRONG. The law changed a couple of years ago. Now if you haven't bought … ]WRONG. The law changed a couple of years ago. Now if you haven't bought a tax disc by the first day of the month following the expiry of the old one or declared SORN, you're liable for an £80 fine.

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    He he - and rather ironically on cue - I received a reminder in the post today that my tax runs out at the end of April! I bet I dont forget!!!!!!

    I think they give you 2 weeks after it has run out to back pay it but it is illegal to drive the car without the tax.
    I paid mine 1 week late and had no problems they told me the info over the phone that i wouldn't get a fine can't guarentee it was 2 weeks though but something like it. good luck

    My son was selling his car last month and left it on a main road. When the potential buyer came along he asked about the tax and we said 'it runs out soon', he replied , you mean a month ago!!
    It was over three weeks out so I went to the post office and back taxed to the beginning of the prev month. Lucky we weren't towed and crushed as they have a habit of it round here!!!! Tax it from beginning of april at a local post office and you may get away with it.

    octobergirl;1881859

    my hubby saw someone in handcuffs the other day they were doing a spot … my hubby saw someone in handcuffs the other day they were doing a spot check for non payment of tax, police were there dvla van was there a car loader wa there and they were pulling people in randomly and then had one chap and put his car on the loader and him in handcuffs



    You wouldn't get arrested for not having a tax disc, there must have been other factors. Yes you need your tax but you won't get locked up just for that.

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    dmissy13;1881997

    I think they give you 2 weeks after it has run out to back pay it but it … I think they give you 2 weeks after it has run out to back pay it but it is illegal to drive the car without the tax.



    I think you will find it is more than just drive the car. Parking on a public road is illegal also without a tax disc.

    The 2 weeks you mention is probably to declare via a SORN statement its not on a public road, though of course they will be equally happy to receive a years road tax fund from you!

    Sorry but no sympathy from me if you get fined after all what more do you want as you get a reminder and still forget.

    I hope you dont get a fine but there really is no excuse eh ! ! ! !

    The 2 weeks you mention is probably to declare via a SORN statement its … The 2 weeks you mention is probably to declare via a SORN statement its not on a public road



    no it is as i said i called them when i realised i was a week late and they told me it was fine i could back pay at the post office and there is a certain amount of lateless that you will not get fined for and i think it was 2 weeks and told me not to drive until i got it.

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    dmissy13;1882049

    no it is as i said i called them when i realised i was a week late and … no it is as i said i called them when i realised i was a week late and they told me it was fine i could back pay at the post office and there is a certain amount of lateless that you will not get fined for and i think it was 2 weeks and told me not to drive until i got it.





    Its irrelivant what a CS rep said. If your car was spotted on the road and reported in that 2 week period are you going to tell the court that you should not get a fine for driving without a tax disc (or parking on the highway) because thats what she said? Read the threads above. They clearly dont know what they are talking about. There is no "certain amount of lateness" that they think might be 2 weeks either - though they correctly told you not to drive it until you got your new disc.

    you'll probably get an automatic £40 fine from the DVLA which is generated after 1 month not having notified them of SORN. Just go and get it now or renew online and you should be ok but will probably still get the fine.

    A number of years ago a nasty neighbour shopped us for having no car tax..........a wpc called round to say it had been reported(didn't tell us who,but we had a very good idea)........we had a chat,she left and said that she will be passing a week later and if it was taxed then the matter will be considered closed.

    I suppose we were lucky,but I think she was more appalled at the actions of the neighbour than the lapse in our tax!:-D

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    zezlez;1882038

    Sorry but no sympathy from me if you get fined after all what more do you … Sorry but no sympathy from me if you get fined after all what more do you want as you get a reminder and still forget.I hope you dont get a fine but there really is no excuse eh ! ! ! !



    thanks but i dont want sympathy i know how stupid i have been. I am getting the problem sorted as soon as i found out

    Its irrelivant what a CS rep said. If your car was spotted on the road … Its irrelivant what a CS rep said. If your car was spotted on the road and reported in that 2 week period are you going to tell the court that you should not get a fine for driving without a tax disc (or parking on the highway) because thats what she said? Read the threads above. They clearly dont know what they are talking about. There is no "certain amount of lateness" that they think might be 2 weeks either - though they correctly told you not to drive it until you got your new disc.



    Geez guv way to jump down my throat i was only giving my account that may help no need to be so damn rude
    I was only saying what happened to me i didn't say it was right

    masterruckus;1882094

    thanks but i dont want sympathy i know how stupid i have been. I am … thanks but i dont want sympathy i know how stupid i have been. I am getting the problem sorted as soon as i found out



    Fair enough good for you but.........I can remember a time when you would not get a reminder so thats really my point.

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    dmissy13;1882114

    Geez guv way to jump down my throat i was only giving my account that may … Geez guv way to jump down my throat i was only giving my account that may help no need to be so damn rudeI was only saying what happened to me i didn't say it was right



    But if it isn't right, then it wouldnt be much help would it? Sorry if you felt offended at being corrected for the information that they gave you. I'm not disputing your account - just what they told you.

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    zezlez;1882137

    Fair enough good for you but.........I can remember a time when you would … Fair enough good for you but.........I can remember a time when you would not get a reminder so thats really my point.



    Fair point. I wished they sent out reminders for MOTs as well! That one is very easy to forget! At least with a road tax you can actually see the thing in the windscreen (even if you take no real notice of the writing on it!)

    Have you got your reminder there? I ask this, since i have mine, for end of this month, and i'll be renewing online. For the record, having read it, you do NOT have any grace period whatsoever.

    From the back of my renewal:
    [COLOR=Red]
    "By law you, as the Registered Keeper, will not be committing an offence if you tax the vehicle or make a SORN within 14 days of the date your current tax disc runs out. However, you must keep your vehicle off the road during this time as it is an offence to use your vehicle without displaying a valid tax disc

    If you decide not to renew your vehicle tax you must declare your vehicle is off the road by making a SORN.


    (Garages, driveways and private land may be considered to be off road areas)

    It is an offence to be the registered keeper of a vehicle that is not taxed or declared off the road and you could be fined £1000 or more. Making a false declaration is also a criminal offence for which you could be fined and sent to prison

    You must display a tax disc on the vehicle from the day it comes into force"[/COLOR]


    Now, i've just typed that from the back of my own renewal, so this grace period of 14 days is nonsense and is not good advice.
    I hope folks will refer to this in future cos a) i ain't typing it up again and b) false advice, and ignorance is no defence under UK law. A judge would not be impressed if you said you read you get 14 days from a website.

    Does seem a genuine mistake on the part of the OP, but i'd be very careful and either do it online, ring them on 0870 850 4444 or get it off road asap but you really should ring/contact them as soon as you can

    guv;1882089

    Its irrelivant what a CS rep said. If your car was spotted on the road … Its irrelivant what a CS rep said. If your car was spotted on the road and reported in that 2 week period are you going to tell the court that you should not get a fine for driving without a tax disc (or parking on the highway) because thats what she said? Read the threads above. They clearly dont know what they are talking about. There is no "certain amount of lateness" that they think might be 2 weeks either - though they correctly told you not to drive it until you got your new disc.



    So far as i know the vehicle dont have to be parked on the road or highway to be legal, private land maybe but my hard standing/parking bay is off road and owned by the local council and my car stll needs to legal in all aspects to be allowed to be parked on it.

    These comments could go on for a bit I think its because the word 'tax' has got something to do with it.

    By law you, as the Registered Keeper, will not be committing an offence … By law you, as the Registered Keeper, will not be committing an offence if you tax the vehicle or make a SORN within 14 days of the date your current tax disc runs out. However, you must keep your vehicle off the road during this time as it is an offence to use your vehicle without displaying a valid tax disc


    Same as they told me over the phone

    But if it isn't right, then it wouldnt be much help would it? Sorry if … But if it isn't right, then it wouldnt be much help would it? Sorry if you felt offended at being corrected for the information that they gave you. I'm not disputing your account - just what they told you.


    lol

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    maybe ill make a polite call to DVLA after i get my tax seeing as its gone way past 14 days anyways!! See what the deal is and what i can kindly grovel out of. thanks for all your comments

    Sorry but £80 fine will also be on its way. Been there done that paid the fine lol. Pay it, move on, dont worry about it!

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    dmissy13;1882212

    Same as they told me over the phone



    Thats not what you said at all:

    I think they give you 2 weeks after it has run out to back pay it but it … I think they give you 2 weeks after it has run out to back pay it but it is illegal to drive the car without the tax.I paid mine 1 week late and had no problems they told me the info over the phone that i wouldn't get a fine can't guarentee it was 2 weeks though but something like it.



    You will notice you only mentioned driving the car.

    I replied:

    I think you will find it is more than just drive the car. Parking on a … I think you will find it is more than just drive the car. Parking on a public road is illegal also without a tax disc.



    Which for some strange reason decided to refute that.

    Now you are agreeing and saying you said that in the first place!

    Make your mind up!

    jennie-jack;1881836

    yu need to get tax pronto, wether or not you get a fine. you are right … yu need to get tax pronto, wether or not you get a fine. you are right your insurance is invalid when no tax so thank your self lucky you havent had a crash.


    I don't know, but I doubt that - I would bet that in any case if a third party had a claim & you have a certificate of insurnace, they would be paid - if you have insurance on a car & someone else drives it, your insurance can be made to pay (there may be more ins & outs than that, perhaps regarding with/without permission, but I know it happens).

    OP, this may give you some hope - in NI, they do officially give you 14 days grace - no mention of it for GB I'm afraid, but it may unofficially apply:
    http://www.dvlni.gov.uk/vehicles/renewtax.htm

    What About The 14 Days Grace? If your vehicle licence has expired there … What About The 14 Days Grace? If your vehicle licence has expired there is an understanding that you may continue to use the vehicle for up to 14 days. However you must apply for a new licence within the 14 day period and licence it from the expiry date of the previous licence. If proof that a complete application has been received at DVLNI, before taking a vehicle on the road, you will not be penalised for driving without a current Vehicle Licence or for failing to display one.The 14 days period of grace is a concession. In law a current licence must be displayed at all times when the vehicle is on the road.

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    jnm21;1882393

    I don't know, but I doubt that - I would bet that in any case if a third … I don't know, but I doubt that - I would bet that in any case if a third party had a claim & you have a certificate of insurnace, they would be paid - if you have insurance on a car & someone else drives it, your insurance can be made to pay (there may be more ins & outs than that, perhaps regarding with/without permission, but I know it happens)..



    Not a chance in hell.

    If you have no tax, you are not insured. Do you honestly think that insurance companies are in the habit of paying for claims they can get out of?

    I See you have edited:

    OP, this may give you some hope - in NI, they do officially give you 14 … OP, this may give you some hope - in NI, they do officially give you 14 days grace - no mention of it for GB I'm afraid, but it may unofficially apply:



    Which means it would be OK in NI. But not if they are outside NI. There is no 14 days grace period for driving or having the vehicle on a public road. If you are caught, its a fine. If you have an accident, its likely to be a fine and you wont be insured.

    It would be very rare for an insurer not to pay out due to lack of tax, even without a MOT it would need to be shown that neglect had an impact on the accident.

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    pghstochaj;1882461

    It would be very rare for an insurer not to pay out due to lack of tax, … It would be very rare for an insurer not to pay out due to lack of tax, even without a MOT it would need to be shown that neglect had an impact on the accident.



    Give me a break. If a car isnt legally on the road through lack of tax or MOT, then they aint gonna pay out. The only acception to this would be to drive the car to a pre booked MOT. And even then I would suggest you dont assume that to be the case and check first to be on the safe side.

    Where might I ask did you find this information from?

    I agree, but Guv will probably jump all over your post, just like my factual one.

    EDIT: Well done Guv, you beat me to it!

    EDIT2: As said below (as I thought), the lack of tax does not mean uninsured - it is common that no insurance is true of untaxed vehicles, but it is not correct to say that all untaxed vehicles are uninsured - not an opinion, but fact. It should be remembered that (as I suggested in my first post) the third party is the primary focus of insurance - no matter what the insured party does, it is unlikely that a third party claim will be rejected - the insurer may purse the insured party for the costs though.

    Unfortunately you are misinformed, legally there is a difference between "road worthy" and "road legal", the former being the requirement for you to remain insured, not the latter. Check your policy documents.

    The fact you won't find any court cases showing that tax is a reason to refuse insurance is because an insurer wouldn't do that a in court it would be shown that not having car tax has no impact on whether an accident would have occured.

    If you want reassurance, the first hit for my search on google...
    theanswerbank.co.uk/Mot…tml

    But I wouldn't believe a forum either, so do your own checks and you will see that no tax = car not road legal but not specifically "not road worthy". The reasons I know are here nor or there, they shouldn't effect your opinion which you should check yourself.
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