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    Free increase in your voter power.

    Simple - just vote for AV tomorrow and you get a fairer democracy.

    Check how much more your vote will count for under AV by clicking on the deal link and entering your post code.

    No babies or soldiers will be harmed.

    voterpower.org.uk/

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    No thanks. I'm against the AV vote - FOR A FAIRER DEMOCRACY!

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    squiff

    No thanks. I'm against the AV vote - FOR A FAIRER DEMOCRACY!



    Elaborate please! Why?

    Banned

    The case hasn't been made to change it. I also think the turnout is going to be so low that it probably shouldn't be adopted anyway.

    whatsThePoint

    To be fair AV means no one gets their first choice



    Someone will but it won't be the majority.

    whatsThePoint

    To be fair AV means no one gets their first choice



    exactly

    im voting no

    It's like 100m race, the person who came second or even third gets the gold medal. no thanks.

    profet

    Elaborate please! Why?



    It's very simple really. If I make one vote for one party, then that is the party I wish to become elected based on my interpretation of their values, offers, strategies and plans.

    With an AV vote, your vote can get transferred to another party which you might not want to be in power.

    I had a leaflet put through my door which was an unbiased explanation of how the AV vote would work. Personally, I don't agree with it. If you do, that's fine. That's your legal and moral right and your choice. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong just because out opinions differ

    Banned

    im voting yes,,,and so will the wife because she doesn't have a clue like most people.

    Also to those that are confused vote yes because the yes supporters have admitted to lying about the actual cost of implementing the AV.

    Original Poster

    Shame this got moved from freebies to misc - I was hoping for a little mini poll.

    Seems like it'd be pretty cold judging by the comments though.

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    lumoruk

    im voting yes,,,and so will the wife because she doesn't have a clue like … im voting yes,,,and so will the wife because she doesn't have a clue like most people. Also to those that are confused vote yes because the yes supporters have admitted to lying about the actual cost of implementing the AV.



    Moronic reason to vote for it.

    Banned

    squiff

    I had a leaflet put through my door which was an unbiased explanation of … I had a leaflet put through my door which was an unbiased explanation of how the AV vote would work.



    Bull **** who posts leaflets with an unbiased opinion, scan and post on here or you're talking ****.

    I'm voting yes, my vote is otherwise wasted in my Ultrasafe Labour constituency.

    Lumoruk, you think by calling me names and being abusive, you'll get what you want? My my, what a spoilt child you are. What a shame.

    Banned

    After you place a 1 next to your preferred politician do you have to rank the others (2,3,4,...) or is this optional?

    Original Poster

    squiff

    It's very simple really. If I make one vote for one party, then that is … It's very simple really. If I make one vote for one party, then that is the party I wish to become elected based on my interpretation of their values, offers, strategies and plans.With an AV vote, your vote can get transferred to another party which you might not want to be in power. I had a leaflet put through my door which was an unbiased explanation of how the AV vote would work. Personally, I don't agree with it. If you do, that's fine. That's your legal and moral right and your choice. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong just because out opinions differ



    Easy tiger! You are entirely entitled to your opinion, and have made a good case to back it up - so you won't get any stick from me just because I don't agree!

    squiff

    With an AV vote, your vote can get transferred to another party which you … With an AV vote, your vote can get transferred to another party which you might not want to be in power.



    You don't have to put down a second or third choice if you don't want to - so if you are happy with the current system, just mark one choice and nothing changes!

    If however, once your first choice has been ruled out, you have a preference between the remaining parties (like if you preferred the Lib dems to the BNP), you can put down a second choice, and have further influence. Bargain!

    Original Poster

    squiff

    Lumoruk, you think by calling me names and being abusive, you'll get what … Lumoruk, you think by calling me names and being abusive, you'll get what you want? My my, what a spoilt child you are. What a shame.



    Did anyone hear, Osama Bin Laden is dead!

    lumoruk

    Bull **** who posts leaflets with an unbiased opinion, scan and post on … Bull **** who posts leaflets with an unbiased opinion, scan and post on here or you're talking ****.



    I had a leaflet probably not the same one but it said if you vote yes to AV, then that means smaller parties have a better chance winning, so will be voting No to AV

    Vote anyone other than Lib Dems and Conservative, Simples

    shauneco

    Vote anyone other than Lib Dems and Conservative, Simples


    Anyone but Labour so far as I'm concerned. Blood sucking losers.

    Banned

    I know there's a he'll of a lot of people who have been waiting for me to decide, so they can vote the same as the great VB1. Well now is the time for me to officially announce how I will be voting:

    VB1 says NO to AV. AV is a pointless change that no one really wants - not even the libdems. It's a Micky mouse half measure anyway, and finally, the yes voters are all really annoying.

    VOTE NO TO AV TOMORROW!!!!

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    vibeone

    I know there's a he'll of a lot of people who have been waiting for me to … I know there's a he'll of a lot of people who have been waiting for me to decide, so they can vote the same as the great VB1. Well now is the time for me to officially announce how I will be voting:VB1 says NO to AV. AV is a pointless change that no one really wants - not even the libdems. It's a Micky mouse half measure anyway, and finally, the yes voters are all really annoying.VOTE NO TO AV TOMORROW!!!!



    I actually agree with you, and your reasoning. oO

    Danielj88

    After you place a 1 next to your preferred politician do you have to rank … After you place a 1 next to your preferred politician do you have to rank the others (2,3,4,...) or is this optional?


    it's optional

    VB1 is celibate

    edit, this is not of his own choosing
    Edited by: "zannaz82" 4th May 2011

    Original Poster

    vibeone

    I know there's a he'll of a lot of people who have been waiting for me to … I know there's a he'll of a lot of people who have been waiting for me to decide, so they can vote the same as the great VB1. Well now is the time for me to officially announce how I will be voting:VB1 says NO to AV. AV is a pointless change that no one really wants - not even the libdems. It's a Micky mouse half measure anyway, and finally, the yes voters are all really annoying.VOTE NO TO AV TOMORROW!!!!



    I agree with the bit about the Yes voters being annoying.

    FilthAndFurry

    I actually agree with you, and your reasoning. oO




    never thought i'd agree with you two lol but totally agree and because its going to cost £250M + to implement,.
    spectator.co.uk/cof…tml
    my local seat is a safe labour seat no matter who we vote for, i will be voting no tomorow

    NO to AV for me tomorrow too. whilst it may guarantee someone wins with over 50% of the vote it still does not make them the most popular choice, as they will be some peoples second third or even 4th choice for election. Stick with what we have, no point in changing!

    vote no dont reward nick clegg for lumping us with a tory government , this is what he sold his soul for !

    richp

    I'm guessing it's this one A PDF of the Electoral Commission leaflet on … I'm guessing it's this one A PDF of the Electoral Commission leaflet on AV and how it will work if voted in



    It was, but it went in the recycling the same day after I'd read it and this was about 2 months ago. Thank you very much for posting the link and for taking the time to search for it for the benefit of others (especially those who wish to be abusive and call me a liar when they have no idea what they're talking about). Much appreciated!

    zannaz82

    I'm voting yes, my vote is otherwise wasted in my Ultrasafe Labour … I'm voting yes, my vote is otherwise wasted in my Ultrasafe Labour constituency.



    Same here.

    voterpower.org.uk

    youtube.com/wat…oTk <-- this explains everything in a 'cat friendly' manner
    Edited by: "golemsmate" 4th May 2011

    golemsmate

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHuiDD_oTk



    Excellent. Thanks for that link.

    PhearFactor

    Excellent. Thanks for that link.



    No problem, it sounds a little biased but it you can see more clearly how it would work in action.

    Never trust a cat!!

    asayer

    still does not make them the most popular choice, as they will be some … still does not make them the most popular choice, as they will be some peoples second third or even 4th choice for election. Stick with what we have, no point in changing!



    The problem is there are millions of people in this country who vote for "Party A" to stop "Party B" from gaining power, but in actual fact would prefer to vote for "Party C" or even "Party D". Under AV they can vote for "C" or even "D" but still vote for "A" but never for "B".

    Fair play, if other people do not want C or D and only your A vote is counted, then yeah, it is a shame, but at least you had your hat in the ring your vote was never wasted. Under FFTP you do not have any choice if you want to prevent B, you have to vote A as that is what everyone else is doing, if you voted for C or D your vote would be wasted.

    -edit

    Sorry, quoted you to directly reply to this part "still does not make them the most popular choice". That is wrong, AV actually ensures that the most popular choice by the most people wins. The least unpopular party will win. More people will be happy, more peoples vote would of meant something. Don't understand how this is a bad thing?

    Edited by: "PhearFactor" 4th May 2011

    Banned

    Which option means less chance of the Tories getting in power?

    I predict there won't be a chance in hell AV will win. Nobody is interested, nobody is talking about it, think I've seen one facebook status mention it and not heard any discussion at work.

    PhearFactor

    The problem is there are millions of people in this country who vote for … The problem is there are millions of people in this country who vote for "Party A" to stop "Party B" from gaining power, but in actual fact would prefer to vote for "Party C" or even "Party D". Under AV they can vote for "C" or even "D" but still vote for "A" but never for "B". Fair play, if other people do not want C or D and only your A vote is counted, then yeah, it is a shame, but at least you had your hat in the ring your vote was never wasted. Under FFTP you do not have any choice if you want to prevent B, you have to vote A as that is what everyone else is doing, if you voted for C or D your vote would be wasted.-editSorry, quoted you to directly reply to this part "still does not make them the most popular choice". That is wrong, AV actually ensures that the most popular choice by the most people wins. The least unpopular party will win. More people will be happy, more peoples vote would of meant something. Don't understand how this is a bad thing?



    I dont think people understand that if you like one party you dont give them a vote. You only vote for who you want in preference order. A few years ago I would have liked to vote for labour and lib-dems but wouldnt vote conservative.

    If i get a chance to vote ill vote, however, im at uni for most of the day

    I hope AV does win, will stop this whole "jobs for life" business which is really pathetic.

    I'm voting AV, doesnt make much difference for me though the sheeple in my area ALWAYS vote for labour regardless.
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