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    FreeSat - please help - I'm confused??!!!

    Hi there - hoping someone can help...and importantly explain in Plain English (I ain't technically minded!! lol)

    We don't have Sky at present, but I'd like to buy a FreeSat box. Can you please tell me what I'd need to buy in terms of cables, dish anything else etc etc. Also, how difficult would it be to install ourselves (my hubby is amazing at DIY!)

    Any recommendations on what FreeSat box to buy would also be much appreciated.

    Thanks - in advance!

    Sally

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    freesat from sky is different from freesat from itv and the bbc, pay once watch forever from sky £75 quid all in ]http//ww…spx i think once you have got the dish and the box and fitted it, it is cheeper to get the sky one

    B&Q do a set you have to put up your self for about £40, you can also get a HD freesat pack for about £150
    they are not hard to put up but i could not get it at mine due to a big bloody tree outside and there is no line of site for the satilite, if you dont have anything in the way then you will be fine. it roucghly points in the same direction as Sky so look at naigbours to see roughlt what way to point it

    Original Poster

    Thank you, Ding. Excuse my ignorance, but will this allow me to view the HD channels as well?

    Plenty of kits out there, there is a complete kit available at Screwfix.com for under £50.

    Basically all you need is the dish 60cm should suffice for receiving freesat, the LNB (thats the white thingy on the arm coming from the dish), a length of coaxial cable, the f-connectors (connectors on the end of the coaxial to screw to the input terminal of the satellite receiver) and a free to air satelite receiver.

    Freesat channels are broadcast on the same satellite as your SKY transmissions, obviously the Sky channels will be scrambled, but BBC1, 2, 3, 4 ITV 1, 2, 3, 4 etc etc etc (most the channels you receive on freeview) are all available...in fact you will find you have to do a bit of favourites programming on the satellite receiver because not only do they have each channel but each region too!

    The dish needs to have a clear line of sight of the Astra satellite situated at 28 degrees East, so you need to know your south facing wall of the house and work around 28 degrees east of that to get the signal.

    The HD channels also can be picked up on Astra 28 degrees east, however you would need a HD Satellite receiver to receive these channels.

    Original Poster

    lol Chuckles - we just chopped our 'big bloody tree' down last week!!!! The poor wee birds are still a little confused!!

    We used to have Sky (though was in another room) a couple of years ago. The dish was about the size of a large bin lid. Would it be the smaller, minidish type now? I know which way it would have to point, and on the chimney would be best cos it's ugly on the front of the cottage.

    Cheers for the speedy reply.....and to both for the plain english!!

    Sally

    Astra pulls in quite strongly, so on the chimney there a 60cm dish is fine, thats smaller than a large bin lid.

    sb123;3726088

    Thank you, Ding. Excuse my ignorance, but will this allow me to view the … Thank you, Ding. Excuse my ignorance, but will this allow me to view the HD channels as well?


    no sky will charge extra for a hd box plus a subscription itv and bbc dont hd is free you just have to pay extra for a hd box

    Original Poster

    very helpful Cicobuff, thank you.

    That's one dilemma sorted then - I want an HD Free Sat. We have built in Freeview on the tele and get most of the channels listed on Sky (apart from the ones that we'd have to pay for, following the 4 month free trial).

    Are there any models any of you would recommend, or all they all much of a muchness?

    S

    I am not too sure as I dont own a HD receiver, I guess though it depends whether you would like record features (PVR....integrated Hard disk)

    sb123;3726137

    lol Chuckles - we just chopped our 'big bloody tree' down last week!!!! … lol Chuckles - we just chopped our 'big bloody tree' down last week!!!! The poor wee birds are still a little confused!!We used to have Sky (though was in another room) a couple of years ago. The dish was about the size of a large bin lid. Would it be the smaller, minidish type now? I know which way it would have to point, and on the chimney would be best cos it's ugly on the front of the cottage.Cheers for the speedy reply.....and to both for the plain english!!Sally




    lol wish i could could cut the tree down, its in next door garden

    the dish for FreeSat HD is normally bigger then a minidish to get a good one.

    Here is a link to a HD one £160

    maplin.co.uk/Mod…740

    a standard one is £50/60

    maplin.co.uk/Mod…642


    but check B&Q if you can as they had them in store for £40 but there not online

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    sb123;3726088

    Thank you, Ding. Excuse my ignorance, but will this allow me to view the … Thank you, Ding. Excuse my ignorance, but will this allow me to view the HD channels as well?



    No. You would need a receiver capable of HD. Freesat have them, but they are expensive for what they are. You could look at an alternative HD box though... and if your Hubby really is a good DIYer - get yourself a motorised system. Sky is NOT the limit! Wall to wall films and live football is availabel free of charge. (If that rocks your boat!)

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    Chuckles1001;3726263

    lol wish i could could cut the tree down, its in next door garden the … lol wish i could could cut the tree down, its in next door garden the dish for FreeSat HD is normally bigger then a minidish to get a good one. Here is a link to a HD one £160http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224740a standard one is £50/60http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=218642but check B&Q if you can as they had them in store for £40 but there not online



    I'd recommend looking at a decent Satellite Dealer rather than Maplins or B&Q though..... but the idea is right! :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!

    And Guv, LOL - free football most certainly does NOT rock my boat, although the other half will want to go shopping tomorrow if I tell him about that!!! One question though, what is a motorised system? (now have visions of having to install some motorised device onto my chimney!! lol)

    Sally

    guv;3726283

    I'd recommend looking at a decent Satellite Dealer rather than Maplins or … I'd recommend looking at a decent Satellite Dealer rather than Maplins or B&Q though..... but the idea is right! :thumbsup:



    I dont think the dealer means much apart from the fact you wont get support from them. cheaper the better and i dont think you need support if you chill when doing it

    sb123;3726295

    Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, … Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, LOL - free football most certainly does NOT rock my boat, although the other half will want to go shopping tomorrow if I tell him about that!!! One question though, what is a motorised system? (now have visions of having to install some motorised device onto my chimney!! lol)Sally



    Motorized one here

    maplin.co.uk/Mod…738

    a motorized one is the same as a normal one aprt from you can move it without geting up the chimmley to look for different satilites or tune it bettter

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    sb123;3726295

    Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, … Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, LOL - free football most certainly does NOT rock my boat, although the other half will want to go shopping tomorrow if I tell him about that!!! One question though, what is a motorised system? (now have visions of having to install some motorised device onto my chimney!! lol)Sally



    Its just a small motor that fits onto the dish moving it into the correct position for other satellites.

    Non HD motorised systems can be bought for as little as £125 all in. (Though Id recommend getting one that has a USB slot on it - which takes the price up to about £150)

    sb123;3726295

    Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, … Thanks Chuckles - great advice, I'll go have a look at them now!!And Guv, LOL - free football most certainly does NOT rock my boat, although the other half will want to go shopping tomorrow if I tell him about that!!! One question though, what is a motorised system? (now have visions of having to install some motorised device onto my chimney!! lol)Sally



    A motorised dish basically is a mount added to the rear of the dish, that once you have set the dish to zero degree south allows automatic switching through your satellite receiver to the relevant satellite.

    There are many satellites in Northern europe, obviously catering for both english (Astra 28e) and foreign channels. A minimum of 80cm dish is recommended, and even 100cm recommended the further south you are in Britain (especially for receiving the weaker signal of Scandanavian satellite Thor at 1 degree West, where most the footy is now received illegally from)

    http://www.monocube.co.uk/satellite-dish-motor.jpg

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    Chuckles1001;3726305

    I dont think the dealer means much apart from the fact you wont get … I dont think the dealer means much apart from the fact you wont get support from them. cheaper the better and i dont think you need support if you chill when doing it



    I was referring to the prices not support!

    guv;3726347

    I was referring to the prices not support!



    In that case your right, best place/ Chepest I have seen them is in Makro if you have a card

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    Chuckles1001;3726379

    In that case your right, best place/ Chepest I have seen them is in … In that case your right, best place/ Chepest I have seen them is in Makro if you have a card



    I do have a card, but wouldn't buy from there either!

    I'd want to make sure I'd get a receiver that has "proper" support and is flashable. Just bought another one last week as it happens (I do have a Technomate 6900HD - but want to have a dabble with direct internet connections) - an Eagle receiver (Dreambox 500 clone) for £90.

    Once Ive mastered that, I'll probably get a Dreambox 800HD. Just couldnt justify the expense having not long bought the Technmate HD jobby.

    To get Freesat from the BBC/ITV you will need a dedicated Freesat Receiver, the most popular are the ones from Humax, cost new around the £145 mark, this with a standard Sky dish set up is all that is required.

    However there is very little HD content available yet.

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    Inactive;3726916

    To get Freesat from the BBC/ITV you will need a dedicated Freesat … To get Freesat from the BBC/ITV you will need a dedicated Freesat Receiver,



    Not true.

    guv;3726584

    I do have a card, but wouldn't buy from there either!I'd want to make … I do have a card, but wouldn't buy from there either!I'd want to make sure I'd get a receiver that has "proper" support and is flashable. Just bought another one last week as it happens (I do have a Technomate 6900HD - but want to have a dabble with direct internet connections) - an Eagle receiver (Dreambox 500 clone) for £90.Once Ive mastered that, I'll probably get a Dreambox 800HD. Just couldnt justify the expense having not long bought the Technmate HD jobby.



    I do partly agree with you. For someone who WILL / Would have a tinkle with the flashable side its the way to go, for someone who just wants to put it up set it up and leave it, (Like most people do, not me) then those options are fine.

    guv;3727052

    Not true.


    The OP said that she was " not technically minded "..so it is the obvious choice for her.

    Why people needed to go down the " technical " route to respond to her is not much help to her I suspect.

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    Chuckles1001;3726323

    Motorized one here :)http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224738a … Motorized one here :)http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224738a motorized one is the same as a normal one aprt from you can move it without geting up the chimmley to look for different satilites or tune it bettter


    Thanks Chuckles - the Maplin one does look good! Now swithering......motorised or not....don't much fancy having to shimmy up the roof to tweak the dish! lol

    sb123;3753700

    Thanks Chuckles - the Maplin one does look good! Now … Thanks Chuckles - the Maplin one does look good! Now swithering......motorised or not....don't much fancy having to shimmy up the roof to tweak the dish! lol



    Your welcome, glad to help
    lol know what you mean, I think a motorized one is ok if you will be changing what satilites you are using often, but if you want to just get it working and leave it like most people do maybe the extra £75 is not worth it as you 1 of you can move the dish while the other watches the screen and then when you get the satilite you want, just leave it.
    So that is something you need to have a think about

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    Inactive;3728533

    The OP said that she was " not technically minded "..so it is the obvious … The OP said that she was " not technically minded "..so it is the obvious choice for her.Why people needed to go down the " technical " route to respond to her is not much help to her I suspect.



    Eh?

    Your quote stated you needed a dedicated receiver to get freesat. Nothing technical about that. It's not accurate. And as to giving advice beyond whats been asked - so what? If the OP isnt interested (and I didnt get that impression) they can just ignore. But its a fact as the PMs Ive received will verify, others are interested.

    Original Poster

    Hi Folks

    Sorry for delay in thanking you all for taking the time to explain things to me! It's taken me until now to realise that there was a second page of replies to my initial question!!! (DUH!!!!)

    Couple of very simple questions (simple answers would be great!!).....

    1. a motorised system...does it give you the option to switch from one satellite to another, i.e. it moves position automatically as and when you tune in to a different satellite?

    2. a USB - is the point of ensuring the system I order having a USB so that I can link it to an external hard drive?

    3. I have Freeview on my Sony Bravia TV - is having HD Freesat really going to give me far more choice of channels?

    4. Decided it's HD I want, but can't decide whether to go for motorised or not. I know there's far more choice with the motorised version, but realistically, how many of you with motorised systems actually use the extra channels? lol

    Thanks again

    Sal

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    Have worked out the answer to question 1!!!!!.........lol

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    sb123;3753815

    ..1. a motorised system...does it give you the option to switch from one … ..1. a motorised system...does it give you the option to switch from one satellite to another, i.e. it moves position automatically as and when you tune in to a different satellite?[COLOR="Red"]Yes.[/COLOR]2. a USB - is the point of ensuring the system I order having a USB so that I can link it to an external hard drive? [COLOR="Red"]Yes. But its also important to be able to have USB to be able to flash the receiver. You might not think it important right now - but it would be a let down and easily avoidable.[/COLOR]3. I have Freeview on my Sony Bravia TV - is having HD Freesat really going to give me far more choice of channels?[COLOR="Red"]Not massively. You will get more though - inc HD channels, plus there will be more in the future[/COLOR]4. Decided it's HD I want, but can't decide whether to go for motorised or not. I know there's far more choice with the motorised version, but realistically, how many of you with motorised systems actually use the extra channels?[COLOR="Red"]Put it this way, (and I know its no interest to you personally), I just watched live premier football at 1.00, 2.00 and 5.30 and currently watching a film.....all of this is not on the satellite everyone normally thinks about...... and the cost? A big fat zero[/COLOR].:thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Lol, Guv.......footie at 1, 2 and half 5.........that's definitely not a plus for me......hubby won't get any woork done around the house if that's the case!!

    Flash the receiver?? Just as well it's past the nine o'clock watershed!!! Sure it's not as rude as it sounds - what's flashing the receiver when it's at home?

    Panic.......X Factor Results on now.......who needs Satellite!! lol

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    sb123;3754174

    Flash the receiver?? Just as well it's past the nine o'clock … Flash the receiver?? Just as well it's past the nine o'clock watershed!!! Sure it's not as rude as it sounds - what's flashing the receiver when it's at home?



    Its just a very small downloadable file you can use in the receiver to allow receiving of hundreds of otherwise un-viewable channels. Takes seconds.... and yes that also includes past watershed channels!!! (Though they are 24/7 so academic!)

    guv;3753771

    Eh?Your quote stated you needed a dedicated receiver to get freesat. … Eh?Your quote stated you needed a dedicated receiver to get freesat. Nothing technical about that. It's not accurate..




    I did not say that, I said to get BBC/ ITV Freesat.

    Perhaps you may explain how anyone gets ITV HD on a non Freesat Receiver?

    I would be interested to know.

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    Inactive;3726916

    To get Freesat from the BBC/ITV you will need a dedicated Freesat … To get Freesat from the BBC/ITV you will need a dedicated Freesat Receiver, the most popular are the ones from Humax, cost new around the £145 mark, this with a standard Sky dish set up is all that is required.However there is very little HD content available yet.



    Inactive;3756540

    I did not say that, I said to get BBC/ ITV Freesat.



    Above is what you said - and its innacurate.

    Perhaps you may explain how anyone gets ITV HD on a non Freesat … Perhaps you may explain how anyone gets ITV HD on a non Freesat Receiver?I would be interested to know.



    ANY HD receiver is capable of receiving ITV HD. Thats a fact. There is nothing wrong in buying a dedicated HD receiver, however its not necessary. If you have skyHD for example, you can watch ITV HD. My own receiver is a Technomate 6900HD. Ive been watching ITV HD from the start of the service with it (ie Euro 2008 football.)

    OK, thanks for confirming that, your information means that ITV are telling porkies on their website;

    " What equipment do I need to receive ITV HD service?

    ITV HD is only available through freesat, so you’ll need a satellite dish and either a TV with freesat HD built in (available soon), or a freesat HD digital box connected to an HD Ready TV. You’ll need to connect your HD digital box to your HD Ready TV with an HDMI cable (these cost from about £5)
    "

    ;-)

    guv;3758913

    Above is what you said - and its innacurate.ANY HD receiver is capable of … Above is what you said - and its innacurate.ANY HD receiver is capable of receiving ITV HD. Thats a fact. There is nothing wrong in buying a dedicated HD receiver, however its not necessary. If you have skyHD for example, you can watch ITV HD. My own receiver is a Technomate 6900HD. Ive been watching ITV HD from the start of the service with it (ie Euro 2008 football.)




    Apparently, ITV HD is not available on a Sky HD Receiver.

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    ding;3726029

    freesat from sky is different from freesat from itv and the bbc, pay once … freesat from sky is different from freesat from itv and the bbc, pay once watch forever from sky £75 quid all in http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/pay-once.aspx i think once you have got the dish and the box and fitted it, it is cheeper to get the sky one


    after 4 months free trial, you have to pay £20 per month or revert back to basic free to air channels only (not much difference to freeview).

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    Inactive;3759118

    OK, thanks for confirming that, your information means that ITV are … OK, thanks for confirming that, your information means that ITV are telling porkies on their website;" What equipment do I need to receive ITV HD service?ITV HD is only available through freesat, so you’ll need a satellite dish and either a TV with freesat HD built in (available soon), or a freesat HD digital box connected to an HD Ready TV. You’ll need to connect your HD digital box to your HD Ready TV with an HDMI cable (these cost from about £5) ";-)



    Inactive;3759218

    Apparently, ITV HD is not available on a Sky HD Receiver.



    I'd assumed the Sky HD receiver was just like normal HD receivers available. But yes, ITV are telling porkings. I dont have SkyHD (hence not being able to test) but do have a non freesat receiver and can pick it up with no problem.

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    dcx_badass;3762533

    Guv is there a new patch out for the german sat at 18.2°, we lost loads … Guv is there a new patch out for the german sat at 18.2°, we lost loads of movie channels a few weeks back.



    Nope. Premiere changed to Nagra 3 encryption. Many more will be moving over shortly, so expect a few more losses! There may be something in the future - but its more likely something else will be released before there is for Nagra 3.

    PS Did you mean 19.2 ? Astra.
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