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    G20 protestors, thank goodness they're

    burning bins and attacking police with missiles.

    Their agenda is protesting about the environment and war - a self defeating way to make their point eh?

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    At least they're actually protesting about the dire state the world is in. Good on them. Better than making snide remarks on a deals website that peddles the sort of tat that people don't need and is wrecking the planet.

    You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all this bitterness and resentment you show really can't be good for you.

    I do find a funny side to your simplistic propaganda though with use of bold words and a sarcastic undertone, very Trump-esque X)

    oh, dave is protesting about protesting ... again ...

    davewave

    Please be polite.Just asking your opinion of the subject, isn't that the … Please be polite.Just asking your opinion of the subject, isn't that the point of a discussion thread in MISC? Obviously this isn't a conduit to the protesters.


    By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your collection of discussion subjects are of a specialism. It is rather like you claim you like to promote general disussion of cheese but you only ever offer Blue Stilton, Roquefort, Danablu, Cabrales, Gorgonzola, Shropshire Blue, Dorset Blue Vinney. By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your choice of discussions of cheese are all mouldy and I have to add in Cheddar, Brie and Edam etc. to offer more cheeses.



    Edited by: "splender" 7th Jul
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    According to the news yesterday, the authorities were prewarned by protestors that they were intent on becoming violent later that night. These fools don't understand that their anarchical acts are adding to the problem.

    I do agree, violence is never the solution, but would we be talking about it if they did a rigorous leaflet campaign instead?

    You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all this bitterness and resentment you show really can't be good for you.

    I do find a funny side to your simplistic propaganda though with use of bold words and a sarcastic undertone, very Trump-esque X)

    splatsplatsplat

    I do agree, violence is never the solution, but would we be talking about … I do agree, violence is never the solution, but would we be talking about it if they did a rigorous leaflet campaign instead?


    hey paper cuts can be a problem too

    oh, dave is protesting about protesting ... again ...

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    Towelie

    You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all … You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all this bitterness and resentment you show really can't be good for you. I do find a funny side to your simplistic propaganda though with use of bold words and a sarcastic undertone, very Trump-esque X)


    Have a great day brah.

    At least they're actually protesting about the dire state the world is in. Good on them. Better than making snide remarks on a deals website that peddles the sort of tat that people don't need and is wrecking the planet.

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    Vanderlust

    At least they're actually protesting about the dire state the world is … At least they're actually protesting about the dire state the world is in. Good on them. Better than making snide remarks on a deals website that peddles the sort of tat that people don't need and is wrecking the planet.


    burning bins and throwing missiles at police, you're impressed by that?

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    Vanderlust

    Me being 'impressed by that' is neither the point nor their … Me being 'impressed by that' is neither the point nor their intention.What a limited mind.


    Please be polite.

    Just asking your opinion of the subject, isn't that the point of a discussion thread in MISC?

    Obviously this isn't a conduit to the protesters.

    Towelie

    You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all … You need to find a hobby or get an interest in something you enjoy as all this bitterness and resentment you show really can't be good for you. I do find a funny side to your simplistic propaganda though with use of bold words and a sarcastic undertone, very Trump-esque X)


    It is called, I think, a la style , a two-order thinking: If A then B, e.g. I am hungry, I want food.
    In contrast to a four-order or more sentence ; If A then B but only if C and not if D when C and only when E failed.

    davewave

    Please be polite.Just asking your opinion of the subject, isn't that the … Please be polite.Just asking your opinion of the subject, isn't that the point of a discussion thread in MISC? Obviously this isn't a conduit to the protesters.


    By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your collection of discussion subjects are of a specialism. It is rather like you claim you like to promote general disussion of cheese but you only ever offer Blue Stilton, Roquefort, Danablu, Cabrales, Gorgonzola, Shropshire Blue, Dorset Blue Vinney. By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your choice of discussions of cheese are all mouldy and I have to add in Cheddar, Brie and Edam etc. to offer more cheeses.



    Edited by: "splender" 7th Jul

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    splender9 m ago

    By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your collection of discussion subjects are …By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your collection of discussion subjects are of a specialism. It is rather like you claim you like to promote general disussion of cheese but you only ever offer Blue Stilton, Roquefort, Danablu, Cabrales, Gorgonzola, Shropshire Blue, Dorset Blue Vinney. By virtue of res ipsa loquitur, your choice of discussions of cheese are all mouldy and I have to add in Cheddar, Brie and Edam etc. to offer more cheeses.

    What's cheese got to do with protestors, stick to the topic friend.

    I bet the marketing depts of the manufacturers of batons, riot clothing, surveillance drones, tear gas, water cannons etc are loving it, plenty of exposure for their products.

    Change the record please. The misc section is full of tripe.

    davewave

    What's cheese got to do with protestors, stick to the topic friend.



    Actually he has a point.

    kay1992

    Change the record please. The misc section is full of tripe.



    It is annoying, tripe should clearly be in the groceries section along with the spam.

    76 police officers injured.
    What a surprise violence when the Far left are involved ! always the same no matter what the cause.

    Yeah those evil ba*****'s firing flowers out of their guns.

    Those hippy tree huggers are a proper violent lot!

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    Towelie

    Yeah those evil ba*****'s firing flowers out of their guns. Those hippy … Yeah those evil ba*****'s firing flowers out of their guns. Those hippy tree huggers are a proper violent lot!



    Spot the flower or tree hugger?

    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170706180839-g20-hamburg-protest-street-fire-exlarge-169.jpg

    daveedgarhoover

    A million miles past your headinnit



    And you signed up just to write that. Sad innit?

    Before opening this I knew exactly what would be the tone....

    Good ole Dave.... dreadfully predictable is a admirable quality.

    HUKD needs you.... you certainly represent a side of society that many of us avoid in our daily lives

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    joanddan7

    Before opening this I knew exactly what would be the tone....Good ole … Before opening this I knew exactly what would be the tone....Good ole Dave.... dreadfully predictable is a admirable quality. HUKD needs you.... you certainly represent a side of society that many of us avoid in our daily lives


    feel free to avoid the thread, personally insulting others certainly isn't an admirable quality, so perhaps be more considerate.

    What exactly are they protesting at G20, fact is ask most of them and they have no answer. Ever since occupy you don't need to understand why, you just go like a festival. If anyone doesn't agree with you or questions your motives you just beat them up, saves braincells because you don't have to think, or even form real views that way.

    You just have to look at what's happend at protests in the US to understand. The left have taken on the tactics of the far right they used to protest.

    davewave

    Spot the flower or tree hugger?



    But the left, only a few weeks ago, were tree hugging ******* who wouldn't press the big red button? How can there be the sudden change??

    That is unless up until a few weeks ago the only left winger you knew was Ryan Giggs!!

    This isn't left or right wing protesting, purely anti establishment.

    Edited by moderator: "Cursing" 7th Jul

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    Towelie14 m ago

    But the left, only a few weeks ago, were tree hugging ******* who …But the left, only a few weeks ago, were tree hugging ******* who wouldn't press the big red button? How can there be the sudden change??That is unless up until a few weeks ago the only left winger you knew was Ryan Giggs!! This isn't left or right wing protesting, purely anti establishment.

    M.A.D is crucial to avoid nuclear threats by dictators.

    The decision to go to war is one for elected politicians not a terrorist with a lighter and a bottle of alcohol.

    These protestors represent the far left as much as BNP represent the far right.

    I detest both equally as they are dangerous and irrational, losers all of em.

    davewave

    M.A.D is crucial to avoid nuclear threats by dictators.The decision to … M.A.D is crucial to avoid nuclear threats by dictators.The decision to go to war is one for elected politicians not a terrorist with a lighter and a bottle of alcohol.These protestors represent the far left as much as BNP represent the far right. I detest both equally as they are dangerous and irrational, losers all of em.


    Not the right-winged chicken wing versus lefty-winged chicken ring KFC argument, they are both fried. However the era of 1960s and 1970s did bring out the best of the British songs, like Wings.
    As to danger and irrationality, taking risks to challenge the alpha male dominance is a natural trait and is a human trait, ingrained in our human genome to take risks and to do things which are dangerous and irrational. It is the price of managed progress in human development for the better, this means diversity as a strategy to survive, not a species that is ethnically pure and has a single linear life-style and life-choice called the social "norm" which is strictly controlled by management and governance processes which pass a specific test of quality control.
    Edited by: "splender" 7th Jul

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    splender

    Not the right-winged chicken wing versus lefty-winged chicken ring KFC … Not the right-winged chicken wing versus lefty-winged chicken ring KFC argument, they are both fried. However the era of 1960s and 1970s did bring out the best of the British songs, like Wings.As to danger and irrationality, taking risks to challenge the alpha male dominance is a natural trait and is a human trait, ingrained in our human genome to take risks and to do things which are dangerous and irrational. It is the price of managed progress in human development for the better, this means diversity as a strategy to survive, not a species that is ethnically pure and has a single linear life-style and life-choice called the social "norm" which is strictly controlled by management and governance processes which pass a specific test of quality control.


    nothing to do with alpha male dominance.

    The leaders of UK and Germany are female.

    How does 'diversity strategy', which you mentioned, relate to a violent left wing protest where they burn bins and throw missiles at the police. They protest because there's a meeting being held for a divergent group of elected world leaders and they want more peace and environmentally focused policies?

    catbeans

    What exactly are they protesting at G20, fact is ask most of them and … What exactly are they protesting at G20, fact is ask most of them and they have no answer. Ever since occupy you don't need to understand why, you just go like a festival. If anyone doesn't agree with you or questions your motives you just beat them up, saves braincells because you don't have to think, or even form real views that way. You just have to look at what's happend at protests in the US to understand. The left have taken on the tactics of the far right they used to protest.


    I know nothing about specifics but it is a general human aspiration for independence and freedom where peoples around the world co-exist on the planet rather like the rest of nature. Much the same as now but a bit more planet friendly for the rest of humanity, namely, not entirely rule out, but a tad less hunger, war and the climate disaster, say apply ball-park 80:20 rule, like for hunger, it could be 20% less hungry people, 20% less pollution, 80% more people have clean water.
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    An albatross chick found on Midway Island. Photo: Chris Jordan
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/SmogNY.jpg
    http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/images/stories/2014/poor-child-in-iran-300_300_202.jpg
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    Specifically on climate this is an illustration of why theguardian.com/wor…les
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    Protests are not there in isolation for the sake anti-something on their own, they are about connection to the issues that confront us all that UN and G20 have some say in the matter globally.

    Edited by: "splender" 7th Jul

    davewave

    nothing to do with alpha male dominance. The leaders of UK and Germany … nothing to do with alpha male dominance. The leaders of UK and Germany are female.How does 'diversity strategy', which you mentioned, relate to a violent left wing protest where they burn bins and throw missiles at the police. They protest because there's a meeting being held for a divergent group of elected world leaders and they want more peace and environmentally focused policies?


    You need to apply the science and technology of "alpha male" and not get hung-up on the literal sense. The alpha male in modern world affairs is the "establishment" or the "system" chaired by "alpha males" telling us that they know what is best for us and not listening to what you say type of dominance.

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    splender

    You need to apply the science and technology of "alpha male" and not get … You need to apply the science and technology of "alpha male" and not get hung-up on the literal sense. The alpha male in modern world affairs is the "establishment" or the "system" chaired by "alpha males" telling us that they know what is best for us and not listening to what you say type of dominance.


    Don't we all get a vote in free and fair elections?

    davewave

    Don't we all get a vote in free and fair elections?


    Consider the meaning of the abstractiveness of the word "fairness" and you have your answer. There is no fairness, period. The reason is that there are at least three different ideas about what we mean by fairness: sameness, deservedness and need. All we can say is we can show you an election or use an election to achieve an aim. No election is fair. A person can fair well under no electoral system, say, China, and a person canfair badly under an electoral system, UK. By the way G20, like EU, does not operate a vote in free and fair election for itself.

    splender25 m ago

    I know nothing about specifics but it is a general human aspiration for …I know nothing about specifics but it is a general human aspiration for independence and freedom where peoples around the world co-exist on the planet rather like the rest of nature. Much the same as now but a bit more planet friendly for the rest of humanity, namely, not entirely rule out, but a tad less hunger, war and the climate disaster, say apply ball-park 80:20 rule, like for hunger, it could be 20% less hungry people, 20% less pollution, 80% more people have clean water..[Image] An albatross chick found on Midway Island. Photo: Chris Jordan[Image] [Image] .Specifically on climate this is an illustration of why https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/05/g20-public-finance-for-fossil-fuels-is-four-times-more-than-renewables.Protests are not there in isolation for the sake anti-something on their own, they are about connection to the issues that confront us all that UN and G20 have some say in the matter globally.


    So how does protesting a summit where the G20 get together and address such issues work? You could make the argument that Trump is there, but then what does that have to do with purposefully being violent?

    What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police officers?

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    splender

    Consider the meaning of the abstractiveness of the word "fairness" and … Consider the meaning of the abstractiveness of the word "fairness" and you have your answer. There is no fairness, period. The reason is that there are at least three different ideas about what we mean by fairness: sameness, deservedness and need. All we can say is we can show you an election or use an election to achieve an aim. No election is fair. A person can fair well under no electoral system, say, China, and a person canfair badly under an electoral system, UK. By the way G20, like EU, does not operate a vote in free and fair election for itself.


    I think you misunderstand what the common definition of 'free and fair election' means, its quite simple, you can vote for your candidate in your ward without threat or duress, unless your experience has been different?

    parliament.uk/edu…ns/

    davewave

    I think you misunderstand what the common definition of 'free and fair … I think you misunderstand what the common definition of 'free and fair election' means, its quite simple, you can vote for your candidate in your ward without threat or duress, unless your experience has been different?http://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/general-elections/


    I think we need to do better than a slogan in a debate here between consenting adults, "free and fair" with no definition and critical evaluation, that's just so school pre-GCSE. Most people today have saddled with up to about £50,000 university debts and most young people have advanced into university level of maths and reading, say, New Scientists, Times Magazine, academic journals with reputatble citations, as recommended by red-brick universities, like this one newscientist.com/art…ir/
    This says, I am only a messager here, "This system scores well on stability and accountability, but in terms of mathematical fairness it is a dud. "

    tryn2help

    What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police … What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police officers?


    Depends on what you see, how you see, your imagination, your aspiration, your experience , like this one:-
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Matissesnail.jpg

    tryn2help1 h, 15 m ago

    What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police …What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police officers?


    IT'S ALL THE POLITICAL LEFT HAS IS VIOLENCE. Their philosophies and economic models are a busted flush and don't work, never have.

    Not to worry all the white middle class little ideologists will go back home when Trump leaves. Amazingly I don't see them offering to house asylum seekers in their mummy and daddy's house in the Berlin suburbs.

    tryn2help1 h, 24 m ago

    What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police …What do those people hope to achieve by burning bins and hurting police officers?

    Same thing as some UK football fans in the 70s and 80s (possibly)

    catbeans

    So how does protesting a summit where the G20 get together and address … So how does protesting a summit where the G20 get together and address such issues work? You could make the argument that Trump is there, but then what does that have to do with purposefully being violent?


    No logical reasoning and justification for violence at all, violence is useless per se or may be a possible ultimate last resort.
    Let us park aside the politics and look at how mammals behave in response to a situation.
    The thing is over-crowding, just saying one isolated text book factor out of many psychological factors, between protestors and police sometimes do end in confrontation as a statistical probability, especially where there are lots testosterone charged men, objects waved close to one's space, causes stress on both sides. One outcome, is a person out of many would loose his bottle, many many.
    .
    And then there is this human trait to behave irrationally and illogically, usually caused by flow of adrenaline, in flight or fight decision for survival or under pressure and stress to make a decision in very little time , alcohol, hot conditions causing dehydration causing irritability...and then there is herd instinct...blah blah.

    Of couse, we see the news, it is futile and stupid a thousand miles away, we sit comfortably in armchair sipping prosecco and we like to think these people are idiots or daft without bothering to consider the behind-the-scene causations whether real or false. Of course we are not connected to the protestors' will(s), whatever it is (they are), as what we see on the screen is too abstract and too remote from the root causes for our imaginations.
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