Found 15th Nov 2010
I've spent the last few days doing extenstive research on what TV I need and the gaming lag issues. I'm looking to buy 37"-40". Only website I can find is hdtvtest.co.uk/.

Gaming lag is deffo an issue for me, as on Battlefield BC2 and Medal of Honor which I'm told run as 30 fps my stats are v good but on the COD games which run at 60 fps I get hammered. So need to resolve that.

So far the top TV for no gaming lag is the Panasonic TX-P42S20B which is a horrible looking beast of a TV followed by the slightly better looking but much slower TX-P42G20B.

Anyone have any recommendations for websites and or TVs. I would like it to be a 100hz if LCD or 600hz if plasma that don't look like beasts. Got to be 37" - 40", will look at 42" if its deffo worth looking at. Budget is less than £600.

I was thinking about getting the 100hz Sony EX503 range (37" or 40") till I read about the gaming lag. Anyone got this and what do they make of it?

Any views, comments, ideas all welcome.

Thanks in advance.

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Original Poster

dcx_badass

The 100hz ~ 600hz won't make a difference to your games as it normally … The 100hz ~ 600hz won't make a difference to your games as it normally only applies to the TV picture from the inbuilt tuner.



nice one for the comment, yeh i just want the 100hz for LCD or 600hz for plasma for everything, else, e.g blu-ray, hd tv etc

Tv's cause game lag?

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you probably just suck at cod

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shauneco

Tv's cause game lag?



yeh all LCD and Plasma TVs have some form of gaming lag compared to the good old CRT TVs and PC monitors. So the bench mark is to measure the delay/lag compared to a lag free CRT and or PC monitor.

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Zer0Cool

you probably just suck at cod



lol thanks for your input dude

tdk2bu

yeh all LCD and Plasma TVs have some form of gaming lag compared to the … yeh all LCD and Plasma TVs have some form of gaming lag compared to the good old CRT TVs and PC monitors. So the bench mark is to measure the delay/lag compared to a lag free CRT and or PC monitor.



I guess that's what response times are their for then, i,e 8ms?

I haven't suffered any noticeable lag so I guess my tv is a good one then. Sony 40" LCD not sure what model, It's very good viewing pleasure though.


Edited by: ".MUFC." 15th Nov 2010

Original Poster

shauneco

I guess that's what response times are their for then, i,e 8ms?I haven't … I guess that's what response times are their for then, i,e 8ms?I haven't suffered any noticeable lag so I guess my tv is a good one then. Sony 40" LCD not sure what model, It's very good viewing pleasure though.



the 8ms you refer to is not the same apparently, manufacturers at the moment don't recognise gaming lag issues and therefore don't quote them, the 8ms you're on abt is apparently something to do with how quickly it does something else, the ex503 range have the same 8ms reponse you're on abt but gaming lag is 60-100ms, the ex403 is 40ms but is a 50hz TV and i would like a 100hz

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dcx_badass

The hz quoted only affects the built in TV tuner I already told you this … The hz quoted only affects the built in TV tuner I already told you this once, if you set the TV to gaming or PC it should disable all the post processing and crap that adds lag anyway.



badass I get it dude, all I'm saying is that if its a LCD TV it needs to be 100hz for everything else, enjoying blu rays, sky hd etc, and for gaming its got to have low gaming lag, the ex503 in game mode has minimum of 60ms gaming lag and upto 100ms according to hdtvtests website and that is way too high, but anyway i do appreciate your comments and help

Original Poster

dcx_badass

The 100hz doesn't affect sky or blu-rays either.



lol i give up with you, but na thanks for the input

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tdk2bu

lol i give up with you, but na thanks for the input


he said it only affects the built in tuner, you claim you get it then go on about blu ray and sky hd

obviously you don't get it so he's the one who should give up with you

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i recently purchased the samsung 40 inch on offer from currys and its got me into no problems so far

Plasmas don't have lag they have a response time faster than lcd's, I.e fast sports don't have a very slight stagger effect they are smooth, hence the continued popularity.

The best gaming monitors have response times around 2ms, plasma beats that too.

Let's not confuse pixel response times with gaming lag. As mentioned earlier, processing of a picture requires CPU time to smoothen out edges and other enhancements. The processing takes time before it is output to the TV hence there is a lag. Most TVs will have a gaming mode which eschews all the pre and post processing so the input bypasses processing. This is actually a good thing because you do NOT want your game to be enhanced with pixels appearing in places where they do not exist in the game or pixels being removed where they should exist. Similarly, 100Hz processing should NOT be applied to gaming either as they introduce "virtual frames" in between real frames. The virtual frames will once again cause pixels to be manipulated. It was mentioned that the 100 Hz feature does apply to PAL transmissions.

Pixel response times are a separate entity. It is a measure of the time for a pixel to change from one colour to another colour and has no direct relation to refresh rates or gaming lag. It doesn't matter what the refresh rate is or the measurements of gaming lag, the pixel response times will be the same. Note that manufacturer-quoted pixel response times will almost certainly be the time for the quickest colour change. That is, gray to gray may be 2ms but blue to red may be 10ms. The manufacturer will in all likelihood quote a response time of 2 ms and Mr High Street Electronics Salesman will tell customers to go for the TV with the lowest pixel response times.

And yes, plasma TVs can suffer from gaming lag too. Many incorporate picture processing and this is no different to the processing algorithms used in LCD TVs.
Edited by: "ElliottC" 16th Nov 2010

Your best bet is either the Samsung 530 or 580, the new Sony range is a no go. Basically its almost impossible to find a TV that can display games with a low input lag and do everything else well. You'll probably need to wait for next years offerings. However saying that the guys at avforums say that the 32" versions of the SONY tvs have slightly less noticeable lag.

I have 2 Screens, one 40" Samsung and one 42" Sony.

The Sony is LCD, and I think the Samsung might be too, but it might be Plasma.

I game on the Sony with no problems, it's pretty much the same as my Gaming Monitor on my PC, no lag what so ever, the Samsung on the other hand has noticeable lag and I can't game on it, not even Pacman on the NES gives it credit, you can still notice it.
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