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Found 25th Aug 2017
My 13 years old daughter wants a gaming pc for birthday, an i7 one, she is playing Minecraft and Simms. I have done a quick search - around 1200.00 just for tower, looks like a lot of money. I do not feel brave enough to build. Any advice on where to go and what to buy? I have a couple of month before big day.
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Just a thought but could you find a local IT guy who would help you build . I had issues with my sons gaming PC when he wanted to change the graphics card last month, long story, should have been a simple job but because of the design and space layout of the tower it was really tricky. In the end we chose the graphics card and I paid a minimal amount to have it put in and wires moved etc. If you happen to be in Essex would happily reccommend him.

i completely understand you not wanting to self build , we had a lot of people telling us how easy it was, but it's a lot of money to spend if you are not confident to put it all together properly. But people on here were happy to give advice re parts so I'm sure you could pick their brains too
Like you, I was wary about building a gaming PC for my son, I got a package from freshtech solutions - excellent service.
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If you wanted to go down self build route or if you wanted to go armed with knowledge to a local PC guy this is a good website to give you an idea. uk.pcpartpicker.com
You will get more bang for your buck with a self build without a doubt.
what games is a 13 year old playing to require an i7? half the people I play with online don't even have i7's and they are 20-40

i5 should suffice, even if you find a 'cheap i7 tower' you will just end up with a cheap gfx card to balance the price out

build your own, don't get i7 - that's my advice
logicalincrements.com/
murtgurge53 m ago

what games is a 13 year old playing to require an i7? half the people I …what games is a 13 year old playing to require an i7? half the people I play with online don't even have i7's and they are 20-40i5 should suffice, even if you find a 'cheap i7 tower' you will just end up with a cheap gfx card to balance the price outbuild your own, don't get i7 - that's my advicehttp://www.logicalincrements.com/


She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not powerfull enough. I know, like for like, pc shoud give better perfomance, but will it be quick enough? I had a look at cyberpower and pcpartpicker, I do not know enough about it, but it does not look that much cheaper. I do not want to build, as compatibilty may be an issue, no warranty, etc. I want a tower + screen for about a £1000.00. Would that be possible?
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Yes that is possible. How about another laptop? What is the the make/model she currently has?
Her cpu won't be the bottleneck it'll be the gpu. Install the windows store version of minecraft it's less fancy but will run better
Dell Inspiron 3542, just checked, it is i3 actually, not i5 as I thought. She had an i7 Lenovo IdeaPad U410 touchscreen before, it's screen fall apart at hinges. She has set her mind on a desk top, as you get more for the money in terms of power.
There will be zero noticeable difference in performance between an i5 or i7 on those games, just make sure you read up on all the system parts - the gpu and also using an ssd will make a much more noticeable difference during use.

All the individual parts using part picker will have warranty.

Here is a quick example at under £900 everything included (however if you decide on the build route you can do much better than this with a bit of time, both price and performance, this was just an example..). The advantage of self building is you know exactly what parts are going in the PC, rather than an off the shelf build which may well skimp on one or two components, it will be infinitely more satisfying.

You will also need an operating system, you can currently get system builder keys off eBay for very cheap (windows 10, under £10).

Find a family friend to build it for you if you aren't confident, offer them £50 and I'm sure they'd be happy to. I used to do it for all my friends back in school but that was 15-20 years ago now! Its much easier to build than it was back then.
Edited by: "delusion" 25th Aug 2017
zxcv1 h, 30 m ago

She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not …She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not powerfull enough. I know, like for like, pc shoud give better perfomance, but will it be quick enough? I had a look at cyberpower and pcpartpicker, I do not know enough about it, but it does not look that much cheaper. I do not want to build, as compatibilty may be an issue, no warranty, etc. I want a tower + screen for about a £1000.00. Would that be possible?


Intel's branding is only comparable in otherwise similar computers, so an i7 is only guaranteed to be faster in another laptop of similar age, size and battery life.

Performance between different chips in different ranges can be completely different, for example the i7-7700U you might find in a £1500 XPS 13 or Macbook pro is very similar to the sub-i3 Pentium G4600 on the desktop.

As such, it doesn't make any sense to go for a desktop i7 because your laptop i5 is too slow. Let her get away with that and in five years time she'll be insisting she needs a Lamborghini because aToyota Yaris is too slow.

If she's mostly playing mainstream games like The Sims and Minecraft rather than the latest and most demanding stuff then I'd go for a G4560 and an RX 560 4GB. I recently chose such a system myself, Not through any lack of funds - it's sitting in a £175 case - but simply because it's got ample power for those sorts of games (although mostly strategy ones). I did consider going for the next step up but Ryzen 1200 hadn't released, 470/570s have just gone up in price and I wanted the lower power use for my small form factor case.

I think it cost me around £600-650 for the system (8GB RAM, 480GB SSD), which leaves plenty for a freesync screen and keyboard/mouse if required.

p.s. Logical increments is a nice idea, but a lot of the choices are questionable. That's partly down to the fact that it's written for the US market and prices and options often differ enough to be significant.
I will go and negotiate, may be will get her to read this thread.
Try Fresh Tech, I've used them many times in the past, great prices and after sales support.
i agree with most other comments, for games such as minecraft you really dont need a £1200 PC.

a desktop i3 would probably suffice but an i5 would assist in any other games. the suggestion above for a G4560 and an RX560 is pretty good to be honest if you want to stick to a tight budget. otherwise, the i5 and a 1050ti or above should also be fine for all games assuming a 1080p resolution.

you could self build a PC with the i5 + 1050ti specs for less than half of the £1200 quoted, or maybe less than £400 for the G4560 and RX560.
zxcv4 h, 49 m ago

She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not …She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not powerfull enough. I know, like for like, pc shoud give better perfomance, but will it be quick enough? I had a look at cyberpower and pcpartpicker, I do not know enough about it, but it does not look that much cheaper. I do not want to build, as compatibilty may be an issue, no warranty, etc. I want a tower + screen for about a £1000.00. Would that be possible?


That's because it's a laptop and are always under powered compared to desktops. You really don't need i7 for gaming, especially those titles. Stick to i5 for gaming. What resolution will the games be played at? 1080?
zxcv7 h, 49 m ago

Dell Inspiron 3542, just checked, it is i3 actually, not i5 as I thought. …Dell Inspiron 3542, just checked, it is i3 actually, not i5 as I thought. She had an i7 Lenovo IdeaPad U410 touchscreen before, it's screen fall apart at hinges. She has set her mind on a desk top, as you get more for the money in terms of power.



Does it have the Geforce Graphics - and if it's using a dual graphics solution, there may be an issue with switching to the discrete graphics.

If using Intel graphics (from Dell), it may be worth trying the latest HD 4400 driver from Intel, as it's more up to date.

May be worth looking at the Facebook Computer buy/sell groups, the admin of which is often a computer shop owner

PS, For a screen, if you have a charity shop with electricals, you can often pick up a quite usable 17" or maybe better, at a very reasonable price - I'm actually using a charity shop 19"
Edited by: "matth9999" 26th Aug 2017
zxcv12 h, 20 m ago

She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not …She is playing minecraft, she has an i5 laptop, and says it is not powerfull enough. I know, like for like, pc shoud give better perfomance, but will it be quick enough? I had a look at cyberpower and pcpartpicker, I do not know enough about it, but it does not look that much cheaper. I do not want to build, as compatibilty may be an issue, no warranty, etc. I want a tower + screen for about a £1000.00. Would that be possible?



laptop processors are not the same as desktop

my laptop for example is i7 and higher speed than my pc which is i7 but my PC outperforms it because the laptop really is dual core whereas my desktop is quadcore

i5 is honestly more than enough for those games and many many others

building does still have warranty, just on the individual parts, and it is super easy, might even be a fun project for your both if she is interested in computer, that's how I got started - building PCs with my dad which he sold, then I did well it IT in highschool, then college, then comp sci at uni

but as others have said I think, getting an i5 won't be a limiting factor for you, if anything it will end up being the gfx card - and that's the main thing to look out for when picking prebuilt because a lot of the times you will see things advertised like SUPER FAST GAMING PC I5 I7 7700K W0W and they look like a bargain but they have just cheaped out on the gfx card


gfx cards don't have to be expensive, I think I linked it earlier but take a look on logicalincrements.com and it will show you the (in opinion) optimal set up for each budget factoring in performance and price
Edited by: "murtgurge" 26th Aug 2017
Plenty of places to look at bespoke builds from Dino PC, PC specialist, Cyberpower etc...

make sure you chose good good quality power supply, mid range processor like i5, 8GB ram should suffice and upgrade later, good mid range graphics card.

Gaming pc's need a lot of vram these days.

I game on high end i5 with 16GB Ram with 6GB graphics card, 3GB will be perfect for any decent starter rig.

good luck!
PC specialist are amazing! My boyfriend bought a gaming computer from there and it is a sight to behold, super fast and all in all, a beast of a machine.
i5 i7 means very little especially when comparing laptop and desktop. Probably any nrw desktop with an i3 or i5 will be many times faster than your daughters laptop and more than likely the gpu (or lack if one) is the real reason why your daughter wants more power. You dont need to spend much to get something that can play all games just fine £400 to start, £600ish for a tower that can play anything on max 1080p and then more if you want 2k,4k,vr etc. For £1200 you could get a laptop that can play any game at max settings (1080p)
If you want a future proof system, get her a threadripper system.
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