Gary lineker & others - Tax Dodgers

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Found 1st Jun
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/01/beckham-backed-film-funding-firm-loses-fight-against-700m-tax-bill

Other football figures who used Ingenious include Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard plus TV pundits Martin Keown, Danny Murphy and Jamie Carragher

TV hosts Davina McCall and Jeremy Paxman plus Spice Girls Mel C and Geri Horner also face bills.

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Original Poster

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Champagne Socialist or what?



Edited by: "Dopamine" 1st Jun
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Original Poster

http://i.imgur.com/zy2mNMr.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBOee3XWsAIv4wY.jpg:large

Champagne Socialist or what?



Edited by: "Dopamine" 1st Jun

Mr Beckham included but the man can do no wrong, remember him kicking off about the MBE one of the alleged reasons was because of his tax affairs. Shouldn't have been called golden balls, teflon balls more like it.

I'm pretty sure Lineker and most of the other investors have already paid up?

CaptainSocks

I'm pretty sure Lineker and most of the other investors have already paid … I'm pretty sure Lineker and most of the other investors have already paid up?


Yup -

A source said most of the disputed tax bills had already been paid by … A source said most of the disputed tax bills had already been paid by investors but would be reclaimed from HMRC if the financing firm won its appeal.

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CaptainSocks

I'm pretty sure Lineker and most of the other investors have already paid … I'm pretty sure Lineker and most of the other investors have already paid up?


Hes still a champagne socialist for even attempting to get away with it while mocking others for doing so.
Edited by: "Dopamine" 1st Jun

Whoops. Gary you need to be honest about how much tax you unethically avoided, whilst preaching to others.

Jack-L9214 m ago

Hes still a champagne socialist for even attempting to get away with it …Hes still a champagne socialist for even attempting to get away with it while mocking others for doing so.


Tax dodging never harmed Jimmy Carr's career so I doubt whether Lineker and Beckham will suffer much. Hypocrisy has always been rife in the world of entertainment.

Edit - Thinking about it, things could be a bit difficult for Jeremy Paxman though he seems to have more or less retired now.
Edited by: "RonChew" 1st Jun

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Tax - for the many not the few..

Jack-L92

Champagne Socialist or what?[/b]

Park the champagne aside for a moment, what did he do that brands him a socialist ?

splender

Park the champagne aside for a moment, what did he do that brands him a … Park the champagne aside for a moment, what did he do that brands him a socialist ?



guess thats the many marches he has been on and voicing his concerns over everything can, becoming a male version of Lily Allen.

No we mustn't tax them too much, don't want them to take their toys and leave (_;)

They're hardly doing anything wrong, they have advisors who are paid to find such loopholes...... wouldn't we all like to avoid paying tax if we could?

P.S. Inb4 ................

I don't condone it but let's be honest if everyone had an accountant there would be 'deals' for the latest dodges.
Edited by: "catbeans" 1st Jun

catbeans8 m ago

I don't condone it but let's be honest if everyone had an accountant …I don't condone it but let's be honest if everyone had an accountant there would be 'deals' for the latest dodges.


It's fraud, nothing more, nothing less. It always seems that people are quite happy to condone what they see as victimless fraud but, in reality, it's the poor suckers who get their tax deducted under PAYE who finance the lifestyle of these leeches. These people don't have accountants, they have professional crooks.

You'd all pay less if you could too.

I'd pay whatever was expected of me.

Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax and it will be interesting to see how the appeal on this comes out.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals16 m ago

Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax and it will be …Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax and it will be interesting to see how the appeal on this comes out.


But how far would you go? Lie? Cheat? Blame your financial advisor? Not everyone has your low moral standards in relation to money.

RonChew

It's fraud, nothing more, nothing less. It always seems that people are … It's fraud, nothing more, nothing less. It always seems that people are quite happy to condone what they see as victimless fraud but, in reality, it's the poor suckers who get their tax deducted under PAYE who finance the lifestyle of these leeches. These people don't have accountants, they have professional crooks.



I'm not sure it's technically fraud, otherwise they would probably have found themselves in court.

But there can be no doubt that it's greed. Pure, unadulterated greed.

RonChew

But how far would you go? Lie? Cheat? Blame your financial advisor? Not … But how far would you go? Lie? Cheat? Blame your financial advisor? Not everyone has your low moral standards in relation to money.



Can you give an example of my 'low moral standards in relation to money'?

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals5 m ago

Can you give an example of my 'low moral standards in relation to money'?


Statements like 'Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax'. Moral people pay all the tax that is due. Immoral ones don't. Tax is money. You're condoning the immoral ones. Do you understand that?

deeky16 m ago

I'm not sure it's technically fraud, otherwise they would probably have …I'm not sure it's technically fraud, otherwise they would probably have found themselves in court. But there can be no doubt that it's greed. Pure, unadulterated greed.



They can't be prosecuted for fraud until there is a final outcome to the civil case. But, knowing the toothless underfunded HMRC, there's little chance that they will be prosecuted even if HMRC wins the appeal and the outcome is that the tax scheme was a sham.

RonChew

Statements like 'Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax'. … Statements like 'Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax'. Moral people pay all the tax that is due. Immoral ones don't. Tax is money. You're condoning the immoral ones. Do you understand that?



They evaded tax which is different, everyone uses some sort of scheme to reduce their tax bill legally, there is nothing morally wrong with that and many hotdealers will be doing it now. salary sacrifice schemes, buying shares in your company etc and like many big business most of the self employed that have an accountant will do it because that their job.

RonChew

Statements like 'Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax'. … Statements like 'Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax'. Moral people pay all the tax that is due. Immoral ones don't. Tax is money. You're condoning the immoral ones. Do you understand that?



You speak as if you have no experience of other people or how they operate. So people who reduce their taxable income by increasing things like pension contributions or taking remuneration in stock options are 'immoral'.

I think some people need to be a bit honest or a bit more grown up.

eslick16 m ago

They evaded tax which is different, everyone uses some sort of scheme to …They evaded tax which is different, everyone uses some sort of scheme to reduce their tax bill legally, there is nothing morally wrong with that and many hotdealers will be doing it now. salary sacrifice schemes, buying shares in your company etc and like many big business most of the self employed that have an accountant will do it because that their job.


You need to distinguish between legal ways of reducing tax, like your examples, and contrived illegal ways. If this scheme is legal, why do you think that it is going through the courts.

The sort of people that promote these schemes and the people who use them would like the uninformed to believe that this is no different to the sort of examples that you quote. They are a lot different. Why do you think that these celebrities are paying thousands of pounds to tax advisors unless they are saving them tens of thousands of pounds by devising ways of reducing their tax bills? If the ways they use to save money are legal, why isn't everyone using them?

The self employed isn't really a particularly good example because the majority of them don't earn enough to make it worthwhile using contrived avoidance schemes like this. The most sophisticated that the majority of self employed get is to work for cash and not put it through their books.


HotEnglishAndWelshDeals10 m ago

You speak as if you have no experience of other people or how they …You speak as if you have no experience of other people or how they operate. So people who reduce their taxable income by increasing things like pension contributions or taking remuneration in stock options are 'immoral'.I think some people need to be a bit honest or a bit more grown up.


Your statement that 'most sensible people will look to minimise their tax' was made in relation to the litigants in this scheme. Now you're sidestepping the issue by bringing in something completely different.

You condoned contrived tax avoidance - that's your prerogative but you are defending immorality in relation to money. Fairly typical Tory, I'd say.

Legalised theft. Can't believe people defend it and make lame excuses for them. They must be laughing their socks off at the naivety of the average Joe's.

benjammin316

You'd all pay less if you could too.



Rubbish. I'm proud of the tax I pay

RonChew

Your statement that 'most sensible people will look to minimise their … Your statement that 'most sensible people will look to minimise their tax' was made in relation to the litigants in this scheme. Now you're sidestepping the issue by bringing in something completely different. You condoned contrived tax avoidance - that's your prerogative but you are defending immorality in relation to money. Fairly typical Tory, I'd say.



Struggling to engage with my points so instead trying to misrepresent my posts. I spoke in a very general term, but if you want my views on the act of minimising tax by investing in certain opportunities then I think it's a valid choice.

You responded to me and eslick by moving on to legality from morality. You conflate terms with ease, a bit like how you flit between deficit and debt like they're the same thing.

Curlyman83

Rubbish. I'm proud of the tax I pay


He's probably the sort who watches tv with his curtains closed all day just to save the £150 license fee. Yet still votes for the tories cos it makes him feel like one of them. LMAO.

RonChew

You need to distinguish between legal ways of reducing tax, like your … You need to distinguish between legal ways of reducing tax, like your examples, and contrived illegal ways. If this scheme is legal, why do you think that it is going through the courts. The sort of people that promote these schemes and the people who use them would like the uninformed to believe that this is no different to the sort of examples that you quote. They are a lot different. Why do you think that these celebrities are paying thousands of pounds to tax advisors unless they are saving them tens of thousands of pounds by devising ways of reducing their tax bills? If the ways they use to save money are legal, why isn't everyone using them? The self employed isn't really a particularly good example because the majority of them don't earn enough to make it worthwhile using contrived avoidance schemes like this. The most sophisticated that the majority of self employed get is to work for cash and not put it through their books.



Who said: "tax is the price we pay for living in a civilised society"?

Fred.Smith

Who said: "tax is the price we pay for living in a civilised society"?


Your mum and my mum when they gave birth in a civilised hospital funded by tax.

This old chestnut again...

I imagine those who are outraged by this would be shocked that normal, working class people, do their utmost to avoid paying their fair share of tax too.

Anybody would.

But let's be outraged anyway.

Cheers for your input, Phil, but I am talking about those with the ability to avoid paying tax. So yes, really.

Jumpingphil9 m ago

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to "normal, working class …Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to "normal, working class people". I didn't realise they all had the ability to avoid paying tax.My mistake.




I didn't say that all working class people could avoid paying taxes, Phil. Perhaps you should read my comment again.

Make sure to bear in mind that just because I don't make it crystal clear that not all working class people have the ability to do this, that this means that all working class people can, and do, do this.

Silly sausage.
Edited by: "RossD89" 2nd Jun

Original Poster

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax and it will be … Most sensible people will look to minimise their tax and it will be interesting to see how the appeal on this comes out.


BUT would it be right to do that and then mock others for doing the same? thats what makes him a champagne socialist in my eyes

RossD895 h, 59 m ago

I didn't say that all working class people could avoid paying taxes, Phil. …I didn't say that all working class people could avoid paying taxes, Phil. Perhaps you should read my comment again. Make sure to bear in mind that just because I don't make it crystal clear that not all working class people have the ability to do this, that this means that all working class people can, and do, do this.Silly sausage.


I don't think that you mean ordinary working class people, rather ordinary working class criminals. Because, despite the oft-repeated old chestnut that tax evading is a victimless crime so doesn't matter, it's the people who do pay the right amount of tax who are being robbed by the tax fiddlers.

I bet you'd be the first to whine if someone bought something off you on ebay and paid with a fake paypal account leaving you a couple of hundred pounds out of pocket. Would you be saying that there's nothing wrong with that because he's an ordinary working class person with the ability to do this? Of course you wouldn't.

Tax evaders are criminals in the same way that any other fraudsters are.

RonChew38 m ago

I don't think that you mean ordinary working class people, rather ordinary …I don't think that you mean ordinary working class people, rather ordinary working class criminals. Because, despite the oft-repeated old chestnut that tax evading is a victimless crime so doesn't matter, it's the people who do pay the right amount of tax who are being robbed by the tax fiddlers. I bet you'd be the first to whine if someone bought something off you on ebay and paid with a fake paypal account leaving you a couple of hundred pounds out of pocket. Would you be saying that there's nothing wrong with that because he's an ordinary working class person with the ability to do this? Of course you wouldn't.Tax evaders are criminals in the same way that any other fraudsters are.




I said nothing about tax evasion, Ron.
Edited by: "RossD89" 2nd Jun

RossD8926 m ago

I said nothing about tax evasion, Ron.


You seem to be backtracking further and further from your original post. You specifically referred to ordinary working people doing their utmost to avoid paying their fair share of tax. My, and I suspect most others', interpretation of 'fair share of tax' is the amount of tax that someone is legally obliged to pay. So, if people are not paying their fair share of tax, they are paying less than is legally due and they are tax evaders. What other interpretation can you put on it?
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