Found 12th Sep 2008
whats the difference between agp and pci?

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Connection type on the motherboard and maximum speed I believe.

AGP cards tend to be on slightly older PC's, but i'm no expert so don't take my word as gospel.

PCI, AGP and PCI-E are all different interfaces for graphics card - PCI is very old and slow, AGP is from motherboards around 8 to 2 years old and PCI-E is from the last 3 years or so. Most motherboards will only have either a AGP slot or a PCI-E slot, not both. PCI-E is a faster bus and provides more power to the card so equivalent cards will usually perform a bit better on a PCI-E bus than AGP.

This is an AGP card:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8424/agpcp3.jpg

This is a PCI-E card:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9445/pciehb4.jpg

Note how the 'golden fingers' - the electrical contacts at the bottom of the card - are straight and inline on a PCI-E card, but stagger on two levels on the AGP

Original Poster

ok cool, i was thinking about getting this graphics card from ebuyer
ebuyer.com/pro…617
or this
ebuyer.com/pro…986

are these any good?
i know there cheap lol

What will be using it for and whats your PC spec like?

They are pretty good cards in that price bracket, but if you can afford a bit more the new ]Radeon 4670s are well worth the extra (if your thinking about playing newish games).

Are you upgrading an old graphics card, or upgrading from on-board graphics, or building a new system?

Just to note, for the 4670, you increase the money budget by 50% but you get way more than 50% extra performance. A better bang-for-buck than 4850 (that is one for gamers btw)

hexus.net/con…=12
check the chart - its for COD4

Cluffy321;2952716

ok cool, i was thinking about getting this graphics card from … ok cool, i was thinking about getting this graphics card from ebuyerhttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/140617or thishttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/126986are these any good?i know there cheap lol



Are you just upgrading the gfx card in your current machine? If so then you will need to find out what type of card your motherboard will support.

Original Poster

i am actually buying a pc off here, it has a 9800 256 mg at the moment, it is suppost to be good but i think its quite old aswell, i want to play new games well really

Original Poster

im looking to upgrade this computer with a 160gb hardrive, an extra 2gb of ram, a sound card and the graphics card, all this for £90 sound good?

Sounds like the computer will probably have a AGP slot, not PCI-E?

You should be able to get all the above for £90 - but then you can buy a new dual-core CPU and motherboard for less than £70 so make sure the computer you are thinking of buying is good value for money. If, for example, it still uses DDR and AGP (as opposed to DDR2 and PCI-E) it might be better build a completely new system.

Original Poster

is a 9800 xt an agp card then?

Cluffy321;2955337

is a 9800 xt an agp card then?



Show us the thread you are getting the computer from :thumbsup:

Original Poster

its from timothyw9 you might of seen it

This one hotukdeals.com/ite…php ?

Looks like it might be an AGP, it is oldish, you'll hav eto check, if it is an AGP the best you are going to get is around an NVIDIA Geforce 7600

Google also seems to suggest it is AGP, and was a very expensive top end card when it came out, it may still be fairly decent, and maybe as near the top of the AGP as you can get

Original Poster

yer? ok thats cool then well in that case ill stick with the one i have, whats the spec like then on that computer?

Here is a review

trustedreviews.com/gra…/p1

£350 original cost. However that article is dated 1st Oct 2003

You can actually buy a 3850 AGp model but I think its almost £90ish.. I'll get a link.

Original Poster

kwl, i think i will keep it then lol, still what about other upgrades?

Original Poster

hmm didnt want to spend that much really, will stick with the 9800 for a while

Original Poster

so i just need ram and hardrive then i think, what about buying a new sound card?
is it worth it?

I believe this is the computer spec, correct me if this isn't.

AMD Athlon 64 3700+1GB RAMECS KV2 Lite MotherboardATI Radeon 9800xt 256mb … AMD Athlon 64 3700+1GB RAMECS KV2 Lite MotherboardATI Radeon 9800xt 256mb GPU80gb HDDBlack case with window and multi-clour fans



Is there a monitor included, if not what monitor will be used (what resolution if you know will you be gaming at). Will it be using Windows XP or Vista, XP can handle 1GB fine but Vista will struggle with anything less than 2GB with most newer games.

Depending on your resolution, the 9800XT should be perfectly fine. Obviously if you expect HD or xHD gaming them you will need to invest in a better computer, but 15-17" widescreen/non-widescreen should be okay. Anything bigger and you might get a few stutters depending on the game and settings your running with.

You do have an upgradeable path, although limited by the motherboard. This can be easily replaced with a PCI-e upgradeable board for next to nothing, allowing you to use PCI-e graphics cards which generally are cheaper than their AGP brothers due to the manufacturing process.

Overall its a good basic gaming machine and shouldn't need any upgrades.

Socket 939 is underrated, it isn't that old remember. The problem with it is the memory, standard DDR is expensive compared to DDR2. Other than that, the processor upgrade path is existent and potential for buying very cheap upgrades for the PC is available on eBay.

Original Poster

erm im actually connecting it to a crt tv lol, which makes the graphics card quality pointless lol

Hmm, CRT TV? This computer is overkill lol

Original Poster

until i get an hd tv

Original Poster

i need it to be quick downloading things aswell though

When buying RAM, make sure it is DDR and not DDR2, as the latter will not fit.

Unfortunately DDR is expensive now, at £17.99 for 1GB at Play. Personally, i would have built a budget dual core pc with DDR2 and scope for upgrade for about £150 than buy that one. Upgrade is VERY limited and costly on that one

Downloading what kinda stuff lol?

Original Poster

erm music mostly, some films etc.

Original Poster

anyone got any ddr ram? i think my laptop has a ddr stick of ram, will this work?

peodude;2956154

When buying RAM, make sure it is DDR and not DDR2, as the latter will not … When buying RAM, make sure it is DDR and not DDR2, as the latter will not fit.Unfortunately DDR is expensive now, at £17.99 for 1GB at Play. Personally, i would have built a budget dual core pc with DDR2 and scope for upgrade for about £150 then buy that one. Upgrade is VERY limited and costly on that one



£18 isn't that bad for 1gb of ram... It might be more expensive than DDR 2 but its still cheap

Ebay item no 110288210461 2gb for £28 delivered.

Cluffy321;2956179

anyone got any ddr ram? i think my laptop has a ddr stick of ram, will … anyone got any ddr ram? i think my laptop has a ddr stick of ram, will this work?



DDR RAm in laptops are SO-DIMMS which ware smaller than normal pc ram meaning they are incompatible unfortunately.

Tim

Original Poster

so i could get 2.5 gb of ram then, that would be enough wouldnt it?

More than enough for XP yeah. Sell the other 2 - 256mb sticks on ebay for a few quid each.

Original Poster

yer ok, i might do that then

I suggest you give the PC a whirl before buying anything. You may find it doesn't need any upgrading. I have 2 machines running here on 1GB of RAM and they work fine.

Original Poster

ok i will see when i get it lol

PhearFactor;2956313

I suggest you give the PC a whirl before buying anything. You may find it … I suggest you give the PC a whirl before buying anything. You may find it doesn't need any upgrading. I have 2 machines running here on 1GB of RAM and they work fine.



Exactly my opion - I think the PC runs fine for most tasks including some gaming.
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