Grrrr!! Got Stopped by police and given 3 points and a £60 Fine

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Found 5th Nov 2008
Ok so i got stopped yesterday on my way home from work and fined £60 and given 3 points on my motorbike provisional

All because i only had an L plate at the back of the bike, I wasnt aware i needed one at the front as there isnt really any room for it and it had only had the back one when i bought it.

Im confused tho, does the 3 points JUST go on the bike license or do they go on my car Provisional aswell?

obv they were trying to meet their targets. I'd have expected a telling off or a warning but its a bit harsh giving me that.

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should have just said it was on the front of the bike before you got on it. :whistling:

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its not harsh at all....

Sorry but end of the day its your responsibility to have known this so you only have yourself to blame...

If you dont know the rules and are unwilling to learn you shouldnt be on the road

Original Poster

its an easy mistake to make. ive accepted the points and the fine, im ASKING if the points go on both my car AND bike license?? god do ppl ever get off their high horse??

yes, they will go on your licence which covers all vehicles you drive.

Jackie Chan;3374909

should have just said it was on the front of the bike before you got on … should have just said it was on the front of the bike before you got on it. :whistling:



conventional wisdom pah... :lol: great thinking



Maybe the copper was having a bad day? might of been let off by another one.

Take it on the chin, you'll be all the bigger for it :thumbsup:

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jakreid;3374923

its an easy mistake to make. ive accepted the points and the fine, im … its an easy mistake to make. ive accepted the points and the fine, im ASKING if the points go on both my car AND bike license?? god do ppl ever get off their high horse??



If you wanted no one to say anything or to be on their 'high horse' you would have just said 'got a fine on my bike...will it go on my car AND bike license?' instead you stated that you think its harsh and tried to justify it

Yes it will I believe

Original Poster

AND in all fairness when i took my CBT i only had the 1 L plate and the instructor did not inform me that i needed another one and since that is the only test i had to take to qualify for driving the sccoter...

Jackie Chan;3374909

should have just said it was on the front of the bike before you got on … should have just said it was on the front of the bike before you got on it. :whistling:



got to agree with that.

another one is if they pull u over and ur lights gone out...if u answer "well i always check my lights before i set out on my journey...it must have blown on the way" you cannot get into trouble.

last one is if u "stupidly" jump a red light...u shouldnt ever do this but if a policeman stops you and no doubt will ask something like "do you know what u just did there"....expecting u to say "yes i ran a red light" ur actual answer could b "yes i was preventing a major accident on the road, the car behind me didnt look like they were going to stop in time therefore i had to run the light" once again, the police cannot give u a ticket if thats ur answer.

those are just 2 of many loopholes in the system, for the latter tho, u might want to make sure the car behind u isnt a police car or they wont appreciate that response.

Original Poster

i did actually lol i said i had a mgnetic one on the fron and it must have fell off from my work to where they stopped me.... didnt go down to well!!

the funny thing is, i went to asda (not on the bike) to get an L plate last nyt and there were traffic police in buying their dinner PARKED at the front NON PARKING bit of asda

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My mate got a fine and points a few weeks back for having an L plate on his car. He was the only one in the car but had been teaching his GF to drive hence the plate. I see so many cars on the road with single occupants and L plates on the car.

Don't people realise it's illegal?

A nice little earner for the government I suppose

Yh, I think that's well unfair m8 and I think most people would too hun. Should have just told you to sort it:thumbsup:

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acecatcher3;3374945

last one is if u "stupidly" jump a red light...u shouldnt ever do this … last one is if u "stupidly" jump a red light...u shouldnt ever do this but if a policeman stops you and no doubt will ask something like "do you know what u just did there"....expecting u to say "yes i ran a red light" ur actual answer could b "yes i was preventing a major accident on the road, the car behind me didnt look like they were going to stop in time therefore i had to run the light" once again, the police cannot give u a ticket if thats ur answer.



Thats not true is it? I got a £40 fine and points some years back for doing exactly that as this blue car was coming so fast up behind me that I had to go through the pedestrian crossing (just changed to red as I went through) otherwise I'm sure the car would have hit me.

The 'blue car' turned out to be an unmarked police car who nicked me. He got really annoyed when I explained I thought he wouldn't stop in time and even more so when I suggested he must have been way over the 40mph limit :?

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hannah19790;3374961

Yh, I think that's well unfair m8 and I think most people would too hun. … Yh, I think that's well unfair m8 and I think most people would too hun. Should have just told you to sort it:thumbsup:



i know, im just dissapointed as ill be taking my driving test soon, im switching to a car untill the summer but now as i have 3 points, if i get any more for whatever reason im up sh|t creek without a paddle :whistling:

csiman;3374967

Thats not true is it? I got a £40 fine and points some years back for … Thats not true is it? I got a £40 fine and points some years back for doing exactly that as this blue car was coming so fast up behind me that I had to go through the pedestrian crossing (just changed to red as I went through) otherwise I'm sure the car would have hit me.The 'blue car' turned out to be an unmarked police car who nicked me. He got really annoyed when I explained I thought he wouldn't stop in time and even more so when I suggested he must have been way over the 40mph limit :?



ye it wont work if u accuse a policeman of not being able to slow down his car, itl work with others tho, loopholes in the law.

csiman;3374954

My mate got a fine and points a few weeks back for having an L plate on … My mate got a fine and points a few weeks back for having an L plate on his car. He was the only one in the car but had been teaching his GF to drive hence the plate. I see so many cars on the road with single occupants and L plates on the car.


I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying L plates when a vehicle is being driven by a qualified driver.

How would driving schools get away with it? they drive from customer to customer with L plates showing.;-)

acecatcher3;3374987

ye it wont work if u accuse a policeman of not being able to slow down … ye it wont work if u accuse a policeman of not being able to slow down his car, itl work with others tho, loopholes in the law.



Perhaps you may show us a link to this " law ".. :roll:

Inactive;3374999

I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying … I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying L plates when a vehicle is being driven by a qualified driver.How would driving schools get away with it? they drive from customer to customer with L plates showing.;-)



I've heard that too:?

The strange thing is, because you can do more than one CBT it is (or certainly was) possible to clock up more than 6 points on your motorcycle so the moment you pass you car test you're instantly (and stupidly) banned!

The L plates thing is pathetic but it's the law. When you take your CBT they make it VERY clear you need to show two plates at all times and cutting them down or not displaying them will get you 3 points and a fine. If you're pulled over for speeding that could be a ban.

If only it weren't so expensive to do DAS... soon... soon...

Inactive;3375005

Perhaps you may show us a link to this " law ".. :roll:



yeah brb just looking thru the law book i carry with me in my pocket everyday:thinking:

Inactive;3374999

I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying … I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying L plates when a vehicle is being driven by a qualified driver.How would driving schools get away with it? they drive from customer to customer with L plates showing.;-)



It is illegal.

Driving schools have a removable triangle (they may be an exception if they are clearly marked)

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Inactive;3374999

I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying … I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying L plates when a vehicle is being driven by a qualified driver.How would driving schools get away with it? they drive from customer to customer with L plates showing.;-)


Highway code:-

Learner drivers

Learners driving a car MUST hold a valid provisional licence. They MUST be supervised by someone at least 21 years old who holds a full EC/EEA licence for that type of car (automatic or manual) and has held one for at least three years.
[Laws MV(DL)R reg 16 & RTA 1988 sect 87]
Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).

Original Poster

any1 want to buy a scooter? its been the bain of my life since i got it! good little runner tho, just not for the 22 year old female with the worst bad luck in the world!!

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csiman;3375031

Highway code:-Learner drivers Learners driving a car MUST … Highway code:-Learner drivers Learners driving a car MUST hold a valid provisional licence. They MUST be supervised by someone at least 21 years old who holds a full EC/EEA licence for that type of car (automatic or manual) and has held one for at least three years.[Laws MV(DL)R reg 16 & RTA 1988 sect 87]Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).




Is that not more of a suggestion rather than actual law?

Must and Should aver very different...think this one is down to wording

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acecatcher3;3374945

got to agree with that.another one is if they pull u over and ur lights … got to agree with that.another one is if they pull u over and ur lights gone out...if u answer "well i always check my lights before i set out on my journey...it must have blown on the way" you cannot get into trouble.last one is if u "stupidly" jump a red light...u shouldnt ever do this but if a policeman stops you and no doubt will ask something like "do you know what u just did there"....expecting u to say "yes i ran a red light" ur actual answer could b "yes i was preventing a major accident on the road, the car behind me didnt look like they were going to stop in time therefore i had to run the light" once again, the police cannot give u a ticket if thats ur answer.those are just 2 of many loopholes in the system, for the latter tho, u might want to make sure the car behind u isnt a police car or they wont appreciate that response.


oh really interesting post and the first point yes very valid, but the jumping of the red light.. love to see you try this one and then see you at magistrates court.. for extra point on your DL.. :roll:

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ODB_69;3375049

Is that not more of a suggestion rather than actual law?Must and Should … Is that not more of a suggestion rather than actual law?Must and Should aver very different...think this one is down to wording


Maybe my mate just got a production of documents form then and has wrongly assumed he is getting a fine & points. He's not the brightest of people.

Still, I would always remove them as I wouldnt want to give the Police any reasons to pull me over and waste mine & their time.

dog_cop;3375064

oh really interesting post and the first point yes very valid, but the … oh really interesting post and the first point yes very valid, but the jumping of the red light.. love to see you try this one and then see you at magistrates court.. for extra point on your DL.. :roll:



think the second is subjective really, the police arent able to prove that the car behind wouldnt have hit u and ur not able to prove that it would, guess it depends on what kind of officer u get, but yes the checkin of lights definately works.

dcx_badass;3374930

My mate only had a back one and got stopped, and they just told him to … My mate only had a back one and got stopped, and they just told him to make sure he buys one for it. Incidently he's now taken both off and takes passengers aswell, he's an idiot. If he had a car I'd report him, but if he crashes on a bike, he's most likely to just kill himself.



yep or a pedestrian:?

jakreid;3374978

i know, im just dissapointed as ill be taking my driving test soon, im … i know, im just dissapointed as ill be taking my driving test soon, im switching to a car untill the summer but now as i have 3 points, if i get any more for whatever reason im up sh|t creek without a paddle :whistling:



Yr afraid u are now. And insurance will go way high I'm guessing too, sorry to dampen ur mood anymore:oops:

Inactive;3374999

I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying … I think your mate was winding you up, there is no law against displaying L plates when a vehicle is being driven by a qualified driver.How would driving schools get away with it? they drive from customer to customer with L plates showing.;-)



No its law that you have to have the L plates down.

Driving schools are exempt.

Also if your not an 'R' driver then you have to remove these as well or thats another fine when you exceed 45mph

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hannah19790;3375080

Yr afraid u are now. And insurance will go way high I'm guessing too, … Yr afraid u are now. And insurance will go way high I'm guessing too, sorry to dampen ur mood anymore:oops:



Oh Thanks for that lol Really brightened my mood :thumbsup:

jakreid;3375045

any1 want to buy a scooter? its been the bain of my life since i got … any1 want to buy a scooter? its been the bain of my life since i got it! good little runner tho, just not for the 22 year old female with the worst bad luck in the world!!



How much? Is it 125cc? What colour? Where are you?

yeah pretty sure the red light idea is a no no, the law about "stop if safe to do so" is on yellow lights not red, as it is the driver behind who is responsible if he runs into you it is no excuse.
As far as highway code breeches think they are all classed under driving with undue care and attention.
For OP, if you where given a ticket that has to state the law breeched on it surely?

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allstar2;3375082

No its law that you have to have the L plates down.Driving schools are … No its law that you have to have the L plates down.Driving schools are exempt.Also if your not an 'R' driver then you have to remove these as well or thats another fine when you exceed 45mph


I just read that 45mph rule too but what's an 'R' driver?

allstar2;3375082

No its law that you have to have the L plates down.Driving schools are … No its law that you have to have the L plates down.Driving schools are exempt.Also if your not an 'R' driver then you have to remove these as well or thats another fine when you exceed 45mph



IF YOU'RE IN NORTHERN IRELAND!!!

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gileswendes@hotm;3375093

How much? Is it 125cc? What colour? Where are you?:)



no its a 50cc, black and yellow and im in paisley (near glasgow)

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jakreid;3375085

Oh Thanks for that lol Really brightened my mood :thumbsup:


nah, thats rubbish. 3 points wont cause a big hike in your insurance at all, if any.

especially for this reason. Same goes for speeding.

csiman;3375096

I just read that 45mph rule too but what's an 'R' driver?



That's the law in N. Ireland. Apparently they're very annoying on motorways!

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gileswendes@hotm;3375100

IF YOU'RE IN NORTHERN IRELAND!!!


Dont you mean Eire? ;-)

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maddogb;3375095

yeah pretty sure the red light idea is a no no, the law about "stop if … yeah pretty sure the red light idea is a no no, the law about "stop if safe to do so" is on yellow lights not red, as it is the driver behind who is responsible if he runs into you it is no excuse.As far as highway code breeches think they are all classed under driving with undue care and attention.For OP, if you where given a ticket that has to state the law breeched on it surely?



yeh it says no L plate

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gileswendes@hotm;3375111

That's the law in N. Ireland. Apparently they're very annoying on … That's the law in N. Ireland. Apparently they're very annoying on motorways!


That is just plain dangerous to have some cars doing a max of 45mph on motorways! :w00t:
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