Hd Dvd Or Blu Ray

Hey im pondering whether to get the xbox 360 hd dvd player as well as a 32inch lcd hd tv

But im not sure which would be best

I always though as the blu ray as the winner but now hd dvd is becomign a strong contender - just looking at the releases out soon is tempting me (mainly transformrs :-D )

But i wanna take a vote which you think is best

Hd dvd or Blu ray

Daniel

P.S

HD DVD TOP PICKS
1.Apollo 13
2.Transformers
3.Children of Men
4.Matrix
5.Terminator 2
6.Polar Express (what?)
7.Pitch Black
8.TopGun
9.Total Recall
10.Waterworld
11.Full metal jacket
12.Backdraft
13.Pianist
14.Heroes
15.planet earth
16.Lord of te rings trilogy ex

As you can see theres a few i want in high def


Blu Ray Picks
1.Final Fantasy Spirits Within
2.Day after tomorrow
3.Sunshine
4.Starship Troopers
5.Spiderman
6.Casino Royale

I would put more blu ray but atm theres nothing actually out that i want in high def

49 Comments

i vote hd dvd

HD DVD is my choice (I have both) mainly because of the completely region free aspect plus most of the material I've wanted so far has been HD DVD. The Xbox HD DVD drive is also cheap and has the flexibility to work with any 360 (handy if you have multiple 360s as you only need one drive) and can technically work with a PC as well.

John

Voted HD DVD as that what I'd like to see win it.
I personally think that the only reason there is some life in Blu Ray at the moment is because of the PS3.
If past performances are anything to go by, then blu ray will go the same way as Betamax and Minidisc to name 2.
But at the end of the day, who knows. I'm not buying into either until there is either one outright winner or there is a good, reasonably priced dual player.

Original Poster

Blu ray does look less appealing now even though its in the ps3 it doesnt seem to have a good enough release line up - it started well but has now like gone

I think its just going to come down to whats the cheapest. The same as the VHS vs Betamax. Betamax was alot better quality but VHS was cheap and it won.
thats my opinion anyway...

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ryancs

I think its just going to come down to whats the cheapest. The same as … I think its just going to come down to whats the cheapest. The same as the VHS vs Betamax. Betamax was alot better quality but VHS was cheap and it won.thats my opinion anyway...


But you prefer blu ray then

Thing i dont like about blu ray is i ahve to buy a ps3 to get it when i dont want the ps3 or spend £1000 on the player sep

But i can get a hd-dvd player for £90 plus 5 free hd-dvds -- ive got a lot of dvds and having watched them to death a higher def image is a nice way to extend the films life -bring on groundhog day and home alone 1 high def

Thing is though will you notice any difference with HDDVD on a 32" telly? and if you do is it worth the extra expense of buying the player and replacing all your dvds?

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gari189

Thing is though will you notice any difference with HDDVD on a 32" telly? … Thing is though will you notice any difference with HDDVD on a 32" telly? and if you do is it worth the extra expense of buying the player and replacing all your dvds?


What kinda size would i need to see the difference 42?
Not buying a tv till i can get a 32inch 1080p for sub £500 so im looking round whats the best

Ive just about replaced my vhs collection - with the final one being the neverending story and logans run which i imported from usa but yer id happily replace my collection - over time though say a hd-dvd every now and then but my problem is these high def discs dont seem to have the extras which the dvds had so id have to keep them

I mean i could always just buy a hd-dvd player and watch my dvds on there as they will a better quality

blu-ray is killing hd dvd. blu-ray has sold more blu-rays than hd dvd every week. just check out this website engadgethd.com/200…er/

dandoc2

But you prefer blu ray thenThing i dont like about blu ray is i ahve to … But you prefer blu ray thenThing i dont like about blu ray is i ahve to buy a ps3 to get it when i dont want the ps3 or spend £1000 on the player sep But i can get a hd-dvd player for £90 plus 5 free hd-dvds -- ive got a lot of dvds and having watched them to death a higher def image is a nice way to extend the films life -bring on groundhog day and home alone 1 high def


Well yes i thinks its better quality but the price is an issue. Im going to wait a year till i can go to asda and pick up a HD DVD and or Blu ray player for £20:giggle:

gari189

Thing is though will you notice any difference with HDDVD on a 32" telly? … Thing is though will you notice any difference with HDDVD on a 32" telly? and if you do is it worth the extra expense of buying the player and replacing all your dvds?



Most definitely, even on 15/17 inch screens you can easily see the difference. Upscaled DVDs just seem to lack detail in comparison.

It is hard to resist rebuying existing DVDs on the HD format, I try to stop myself from doing so although admittedly only Transformers, 300 and Heroes are new for me. The rest I've rebought although they're well worth having in the high definition format.

John

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ALICOM007

blu-ray is killing hd dvd. blu-ray has sold more blu-rays than hd dvd … blu-ray is killing hd dvd. blu-ray has sold more blu-rays than hd dvd every week. just check out this website http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/26/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/


I wouldnt say killing --- 49% to 51%

With transformers exclusive i can see hd-dvd players selling shed loads as all the men and kids will want a bit of the updated retro film

And tbh those sales dont mean much ---umds could do amazingly well next month if they were all sold off for £1 in asda doesnt mean they are selling well though

ALICOM007

blu-ray is killing hd dvd. blu-ray has sold more blu-rays than hd dvd … blu-ray is killing hd dvd. blu-ray has sold more blu-rays than hd dvd every week. just check out this website http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/26/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/



That's relatively meaningless - both blu-ray and hd dvd are selling in such tiny numbers that it's not much of an advantage for blu-ray. Whoever breaks through into the mainstream first is the one that is going to rake it in.

John

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Johnmcl7

That's relatively meaningless - both blu-ray and hd dvd are selling in … That's relatively meaningless - both blu-ray and hd dvd are selling in such tiny numbers that it's not much of an advantage for blu-ray. Whoever breaks through into the mainstream first is the one that is going to rake it in.John


Just because a console has a format and the console sells well doesnt mean the format will -- prime example -- psp's -- they all have umd - like ps3 and blu ray -- the games sell on umd but the films dont and its not the games format war we are fighting its for films

Just as long as hd-dvd have lord of the rings in high def im there and i dont care but i hear lotr is hd-dvd exclusive
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dandoc2

I wouldnt say killing --- 49% to 51%With transformers exclusive i can see … I wouldnt say killing --- 49% to 51%With transformers exclusive i can see hd-dvd players selling shed loads as all the men and kids will want a bit of the updated retro filmAnd tbh those sales dont mean much ---umds could do amazingly well next month if they were all sold off for £1 in asda doesnt mean they are selling well though



yes but the 51% is when transformers came out. i was expecting it to beat blu-ray that week.

Little off subject but one thing i have been told that the dvd's have a "use by date" and last about 15-20 years. I no thats a long time and we will probably have pink ray by then but i thought is was interesting

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ryancs

Little off subject but one thing i have been told that the dvd's have a … Little off subject but one thing i have been told that the dvd's have a "use by date" and last about 15-20 years. I no thats a long time and we will probably have pink ray by then but i thought is was interesting


dvds last ages - i stil have a star wars vhs from 1980 and it still works perfect having watched loads of times -- dvds will last till you die so like 100+ years

dandoc2

Just because a console has a format and the console sells well doesnt … Just because a console has a format and the console sells well doesnt mean the format will -- prime example -- psp's -- they all have umd - like ps3 and blu ray -- the games sell on umd but the films dont and its not the games format war we are fighting its for filmsJust as long as hd-dvd have lord of the rings in high def im there and i dont care but i hear lotr is hd-dvd exclusive



I think you misquoted me? My post was referring to comparatively low sales of either of the high definition formats and nothing to do with the formats associated with the consoles.

UMD isn't really valid in this context anyway, it was a poorly thought out 'format' which was only available for the PSP. Blu-ray is a standard and if the PS3 had sold as the PS2 had, it would have given Blu-ray a huge market - look at the boost blu-ray received when the PS3 was launched and that's with poor sales of the console.

John

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Johnmcl7

I think you misquoted me? My post was referring to comparatively low … I think you misquoted me? My post was referring to comparatively low sales of either of the high definition formats and nothing to do with the formats associated with the consoles.UMD isn't really valid in this context anyway, it was a poorly thought out 'format' which was only available for the PSP. Blu-ray is a standard and if the PS3 had sold as the PS2 had, it would have given Blu-ray a huge market - look at the boost blu-ray received when the PS3 was launched and that's with poor sales of the console.John


Yer think i clicked the wrong persons quote oh well

I dont like sony but hd-dvd is a good format and i hear it has quality better than blu ray

Blu ray and hd dvd havent taken off yet as not many people have high def teles but it will begin -- high def dvd has been around for a bit though - superbit dvds if you remember those higher quality but they like died

I think it has to be Bluray. So far Bluray movies have outsold HDDVDs 2 to 1, and because of this a few American retailers have stopped selling HDDVDs such as Blockbuster in the US. Here ]a comparison of the two. More major movie companies are currently backing Bluray and Time Warner have also said a few days ago that if HDDVD sales do not pick up then they will also only support Bluray. Both Bluray and HDDVD have their advantages but I can see Bluray being the more successful disc.

Superbit wasn't high definition, it was a higher bitrate.

John

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Johnmcl7

Superbit wasn't high definition, it was a higher bitrate.John


It had better quality -- made by sony

Hd dvd seems the logical step up from dvd and for technophobes they will get this

Blu ray people will be like whats that

Arsenal Fan

I think it has to be Bluray. So far Bluray movies have outsold HDDVDs 2 … I think it has to be Bluray. So far Bluray movies have outsold HDDVDs 2 to 1, and because of this a few American retailers have stopped selling HDDVDs such as Blockbuster in the US. Here ]a comparison of the two. More major movie companies are currently backing Bluray and Time Warner have also said a few days ago that if HDDVD sales do not pick up then they will also only support Bluray. Both Bluray and HDDVD have their advantages but I can see Bluray being the more successful disc.



Except that 2 to 1 is completely meaningless when you look at the sales number - Transformers on DVD (standard definition) sold 8.3 million in the first week alone which dwarfs the high definition formats. At the end of September Blu-ray had sold around three million and HD DVD two million for the entire time on market - even both together that's barely over half what Transformers, a single DVD title sold in one week

John

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Dvds were made in like 1995 but its only been the last few years that hey have broken into the mainstream

Johnmcl7

Except that 2 to 1 is completely meaningless when you look at the sales … Except that 2 to 1 is completely meaningless when you look at the sales number - Transformers on DVD (standard definition) sold 8.3 million in the first week alone which dwarfs the high definition formats. At the end of September Blu-ray had sold around three million and HD DVD two million for the entire time on market - even both together that's barely over half what Transformers, a single DVD title sold in one weekJohn



Blu-ray Disc
Sony Pictures

Columbia Pictures
TriStar Pictures
Buena Vista

Walt Disney Pictures
Pixar
Miramax
MGM1

20th Century Fox

Time Warner

Warner Brothers²
New Line³
HBO
Lionsgate

HDDVD
NBC Universal

Universal Studios
NBC Studios
Viacom

Paramount
Dreamworks SKG
DreamWorks Animation SKG

Time Warner
Warner Brothers²
New Line³
HBO
Weinstein Co.

Dimension Films


I understand that Transformers was a big movie for HDDVD, but if you look at the movie companies that support each side, for me personally I much prefer the companies that support Bluray. Disney movies, such as Pirates of the Caribbean, and probably one of the only HD movies I'm going to buy in the next few months, The Simpsons Movie are Bluray exclusive, and although there will be great movies only released on HDDVD, for me and the movies I like Bluray has the better movies, although this will vary from person to person, but I can see more big sellers on Bluray than HDDVD.

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Arsenal Fan

Blu-ray Disc I understand that Transformers was a big movie for HDDVD, … Blu-ray Disc I understand that Transformers was a big movie for HDDVD, but if you look at the movie companies that support each side, for me personally I much prefer the companies that support Bluray. Disney movies, such as Pirates of the Caribbean, and probably one of the only HD movies I'm going to buy in the next few months, The Simpsons Movies are Bluray exclusive, and although there will be great movies only released on HDDVD, for me and the movies I like Bluray has the better movies, although this will vary from person to person, but I can see more big sellers on Bluray than HDDVD. Dimension Films


Disneys exclusive to blu ray ?
Target audience is a tad off

Simpsons movie was terrible -- i can see your point - all those companies behind it but look at the currently released blu rays and the upcoming ones - dnt look too great

Blu ray
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Hd dvd
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Its region free the player cost £90 and the films out on it now are great

voted bluray :thumbsup:

in the latest what hifi magazine it rates the Ps3 & xbox as highdef players. PS3 get 5/5, beating nearly every bluray player out there and also being a great games console. xbox got 2/5 saying the picture quality was pretty poor & theres no HD audio.

IMO bluray will come top as PS3 owners will buy bluray films because its built in, so have already paid for it. as for xbox buying the drive in an extra expense

Arsenal Fan

Blu-ray Disc I understand that Transformers was a big movie for HDDVD, … Blu-ray Disc I understand that Transformers was a big movie for HDDVD, but if you look at the movie companies that support each side, for me personally I much prefer the companies that support Bluray. Disney movies, such as Pirates of the Caribbean, and probably one of the only HD movies I'm going to buy in the next few months, The Simpsons Movie are Bluray exclusive, and although there will be great movies only released on HDDVD, for me and the movies I like Bluray has the better movies, although this will vary from person to person, but I can see more big sellers on Bluray than HDDVD.



You managed to miss the point entirely - it was nothing to with Transformers being on HD DVD, it was the sales of the standard DVD I was referring to as an example of how much more a DVD sells compared to high definition formats. As I said, the standard definition DVD of Transformers sold around eight million in one week - almost double the total sales of either high definition format up to the end of September. Transformers is one example but there's plenty others, any reasonable selling DVD can top the total sales of either HD format although Transformers has been a particularly strong seller for SD DVD. What's interesting about that is that it did sell well in HD DVD (comparatively), if this was indicated a trend towards hi-def formats you might have expected lower SD-DVD sales but it was the other way round.

Whoever breaks into the mainstream, regardless of which format has the total sales up to that point is the one which is going to rake it in - bear in mind HD DVD has a strong cost advantage with standalone drives being sold as cheap as 50 pounds (100 dollars) and also region free is attractive for European buyers. While the 100 dollars deal for the HD-A2/HD-A3 was an exceptional one there are several US companies pushing hard to get the HD DVD costs down

John

The $100 HDDVD player was done in desperation by Toshiba because they released that unless they done something drastic Bluray could have won the war very soon.

I think that Microsoft should have backed the HDDVD format and put it in the 360s because then a lot of people would be buying HDDVDs. But Micrsoft decided to keep the costs of the 360 lower so that it had a greater chance of winning the gaming console war, and the lower price did help but I think now that Bluray will win the HD movie war because a lot of people now have bluray players in the form of the PS3 and sales of Blurays have been better so far and will only continue increasing.

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Arsenal Fan

The $100 HDDVD player was done in desperation by Toshiba because they … The $100 HDDVD player was done in desperation by Toshiba because they released that unless they done something drastic Bluray could have won the war very soon. I think that Microsoft should have backed the HDDVD format and put it in the 360s because then a lot of people would be buying HDDVDs. But Micrsoft decided to keep the costs of the 360 lower so that it had a greater chance of winning the gaming console war, and the lower price did help but I think now that Bluray will win the HD movie war because a lot of people now have bluray players in the form of the PS3 and sales of Blurays have been better so far and will only continue increasing.


I dont think either will win - when a hybrid player is released it wont matter which format wins it will depend on the companies behind the films

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Arsenal Fan

The $100 HDDVD player was done in desperation by Toshiba because they … The $100 HDDVD player was done in desperation by Toshiba because they released that unless they done something drastic Bluray could have won the war very soon.




Personally, if there is a winner (as in VHS v Betamax) then I hope its HD DVD.

But I doubt very much that will happen. As has already been stated, the sales of films in high def is so low it actually shows that people in general are not that interested.

There are already machines that will play both and if the film industry wants to try to influence things (as appears to be the case), then this is obviously the way to go (when the prices drop - and they will.) I can remember paying £350 for a DVD player!

One of my main reasons I dont like Blu-ray is its Sony - a company I admire but despise at the same time.

I didnt vote for either BTW - Im more than happy with my DVD collection.

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dandoc2

I dont think either will win - when a hybrid player is released it wont … I dont think either will win - when a hybrid player is released it wont matter which format wins it will depend on the companies behind the films



There already is at least one such machine - at a huge cost at the moment! I'm sure the Beckhams and alike have them - but mere mortals will sit this out until it settles down.

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guv

Personally, if there is a winner (as in VHS v Betamax) then I hope its HD … Personally, if there is a winner (as in VHS v Betamax) then I hope its HD DVD.But I doubt very much that will happen. As has already been stated, the sales of films in high def is so low it actually shows that people in general are not that interested.There are already machines that will play both and if the film industry wants to try to influence things (as appears to be the case), then this is obviously the way to go (when the prices drop - and they will.) I can remember paying £350 for a DVD player! One of my main reasons I dont like Blu-ray is its Sony - a company I admire but despise at the same time. I didnt vote for either BTW - Im more than happy with my DVD collection.


First dvd player was the ps2 as was most peoples only bought dvds as it was already inside the ps2 but then i bought a multi region dvd player for £150 which i still have and dnt use my 360 to play dvds as its not region free and i have loads of region 1 dvds

I really hope both formats don't co-exist (as with DVD-R/DVD+R) I would much rather one format won out regardless of which one.

John

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Johnmcl7

I really hope both formats don't co-exist (as with DVD-R/DVD+R) I would … I really hope both formats don't co-exist (as with DVD-R/DVD+R) I would much rather one format won out regardless of which one.John


One thing i hated about dvds is that all the boxes look different

and thats the one thing i love about the blu ray and hd dvd boxes as they are all the same design with the logo at the top

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dandoc2

First dvd player was the ps2 as was most peoples only bought dvds as it … First dvd player was the ps2 as was most peoples only bought dvds as it was already inside the ps2



That may have been what you did - but I doubt its what most people did!

but then i bought a multi region dvd player for £150 which i still have … but then i bought a multi region dvd player for £150 which i still have and dnt use my 360 to play dvds as its not region free and i have loads of region 1 dvds



I quite happily watch HDTV but dont own either player - nor do I have Sky HD. There is more than one way to skin a cat!

Either way, I doubt there are too many people who are very serious about their films that use a games console to achieve high quality.

I'm more of an MKV man, meself.

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dxx

I'm more of an MKV man, meself.



He he - say no more! :whistling:

Arsenal Fan

I think that Microsoft should have backed the HDDVD format and put it in … I think that Microsoft should have backed the HDDVD format and put it in the 360s because then a lot of people would be buying HDDVDs. But Micrsoft decided to keep the costs of the 360 lower so that it had a greater chance of winning the gaming console war.


That's because Microsoft essentially built a gaming console and give you the option to add HD-DVD...

Sony don't give you the choice.

DVD/Divx/Xvid. I think HD-DVD will win through in the end though.

(MKV I don't like cos my xbox chokes on em :lol:)
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