HEADS UP: APPLE waive VAT for the disabled

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Found 2nd Nov 2012
Was browsing in my local apple store when i over heard a customer paying for her mac pro. in short, the staff waived the 20% vat because she was registered as disabled.

hope this info helps someone
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Local manager's discretion? I doubt it is general policy as most apple customers could be argued to be suffering from some disability.
unreal....
More information here but they have begun to include a lot of computer equipment, especially touch screen

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Absloutely ridiculous if true, why does someone who is disabled deserve to be waived of VAT on equipment which is a luxury?
Edited by: "roum89" 2nd Nov 2012
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Same applies to alot of purchases. I've seen a disabled person buying a new £30-40k BMW every couple of years due to this loophole
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I think 'knocking 20% off' would have been a better phrase to use. Offering something VAT exempt just because of a wheel chair is not legal.
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"registered" will be in receipt of a certain level of disability benefit.
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JonnyTwoToes

I think 'knocking 20% off' would have been a better phrase to use. … I think 'knocking 20% off' would have been a better phrase to use. Offering something VAT exempt just because of a wheel chair is not legal.



If it was legal to give VAT discounts to disabled, my local Apple store entrance would look like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WrPF6JxCVVc/UIV5RTN2ogI/AAAAAAAAAic/yguRvAdC0b4/s1600/shaun.gif
I'm from Bolton, do I qualify?
JonnyTwoToes

If it was legal to give VAT discounts to disabled, my local Apple store … If it was legal to give VAT discounts to disabled, my local Apple store entrance would look like this:



Mine definitely does
punkstoner1

Disabled in any way sir?Suits you sir.



Socially. Yes.
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JonnyTwoToes

If it was legal to give VAT discounts to disabled, my local Apple store … If it was legal to give VAT discounts to disabled, my local Apple store entrance would look like this:



That looks like a huge improvement to be honest.
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punkstoner1

It seems as though it is legal though



Of course it's not legal you idiot! VAT has to be passed on to the treasury. That means, a retail purchase from source has VAT attached, and VAT to the seller (from the retailer) has VAT attached. Apple aren't able to not charge VAT as VAT is an amount of money that is carried forward from original seller to end user and claimed back by each along the chain (as long as they are VAT registered of course!)

Apple could offer 20% discount but they could not offer a deal that would mean VAT is not passed on.

Are you 12?

Edited by: "JonnyTwoToes" 2nd Nov 2012
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guv

That looks like a huge improvement to be honest.



You're thinking Leicester aren't you? X)
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punkstoner1

Yes it is legal it would appear.Are YOU stupid?Are you 12?**** off with … Yes it is legal it would appear.Are YOU stupid?Are you 12?**** off with your stupid insults.****.



Hey everyone, it's now legal for a VAT registered company to not charge VAT. Punkstoner said. He's not an idiot. Honest.
JonnyTwoToes

I think 'knocking 20% off' would have been a better phrase to use. … I think 'knocking 20% off' would have been a better phrase to use. Offering something VAT exempt just because of a wheel chair is not legal.



Many disabilities are not visible, so no wheelchairs etc. My nephew has a learning disability, gets DLAllowance (after fighting for assessment). Apple staff were aware of this when I purchased his iPad recently because I requested a number of modifications to the iPad.

Nobody mentioned this to me.....is it only for those VISIBLY disabled, seems a bit unfair IMO if that is the case
danmc

I'm from Bolton, do I qualify?



Bolton doesn't qualify, but Westhoughton definitely does!
Great news as i am sure my wife is not all there sometimes
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punkstoner1

You are an outed liar, so wind your neck in.I'm surprised you still even … You are an outed liar, so wind your neck in.I'm surprised you still even use the JTT ID such a harsh outing.



May I ask again why I'm an 'outed liar'? Just because a pleb (yes, I said pleb) like you says so, doesn't make it true you work shy wannabe.

And to remain on track, you suggest VAT is a selective payment from VAT registered companies. Shall we ask you to justify that.... pleb?
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It's not fair full stop. Alot of disabled people get paid more money a week without working than alot of people in full-time employment do doing a back-breaking depressing job.

Why do they not get a discount for luxury goods? Getting a discount for being disabled is one thing, but complaining about not getting it is just taking the ****.




Edited by: "roum89" 2nd Nov 2012
choc1969

More information here but they have begun to include a lot of computer … More information here but they have begun to include a lot of computer equipment, especially touch screen



Odd that boats are included. What does a blind man want with a boat?
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JonnyTwoToes

May I ask again why I'm an 'outed liar'? Just because a pleb (yes, I … May I ask again why I'm an 'outed liar'? Just because a pleb (yes, I said pleb) like you says so, doesn't make it true you work shy wannabe. And to remain on track, you suggest VAT is a selective payment from VAT registered companies. Shall we ask you to justify that.... pleb?



By the lack of response, I presume the pleb is trying to break into HMRC and add 'APPLE GOODS' to the list of available VAT exempt goods for disabled people. X)
Still got ripped off.
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tinkerbell28

I dunno maybe the genuinely disabled would like to live a healthy, long, … I dunno maybe the genuinely disabled would like to live a healthy, long, independent life. Without physical or mental restrictions? Rather than have cash for doing nothing?

I'm mainly referring to the people who practically play the system. I know someone who registered as disabled, he gets a free countywide buss pass, disability benefit, JSA & DLA for being 90% deaf.

He gets more money a week than I could ever hope of earning and he absolutely loves it, says he has no intention of ever working. My point is, it sickens me that people registered as disabled who have disabilities such as a "bad back" and what notnare entitled to the same perks as someone with major life altering disabilities.
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punkstoner1

'tard. ^^



Insults mean nothing pleb. I've heard a lot worse in my working life. I'm asking you to justify idiotic comments that you simply fail to do every time. Put a smiley at the end of every post from now on, then we know not to take you seriously.
just read the hmrc link and im pretty shocked, had no idea that this existed
roum89

I'm mainly referring to the people who practically play the system. I … I'm mainly referring to the people who practically play the system. I know someone who registered as disabled, he gets a free countywide buss pass, disability benefit, JSA & DLA for being 90% deaf.He gets more money a week than I could ever hope of earning and he absolutely loves it, says he has no intention of ever working. My point is, it sickens me that people registered as disabled who have disabilities such as a "bad back" and what notnare entitled to the same perks as someone with major life altering disabilities.



Unlikely.

A person who is 90% deaf would not necessaraly get any form of disabilty benefit as they would not be in need of care or have movement issues. They could have been given points on awareness of surroundings or have other problems like inner ear balance but DLA is one of the strictest disability benefits in the world to quailify for so if they are in reciept it will be for not easily visable reasons affecting mobility as medical evidence is a requirment.

Most disabled people are below the poverty line and would gladly give up the peanuts they get in return for perfect health, also the disabled are allowed to work just many employers won't take a chance
Edited by: "Ungreat" 2nd Nov 2012
I had no idea this existed, but by the looks of it, it is the shop which makes the decision, the shop could basically write the sale price as 0% vat rather than give you a VAT discount, this is not a case of claiming VAT back, the shop needs to do it all, and it is at their discretion, it could merely be a paperwork thing.

And remember, by removing vat does not mean taking 20% off the total price, schoolboy error.
yes there are some who are registered disabled incorrectly and this should be challenged

and everybody who believes that someone who is registered disabled but are "playing the game" has a right to report that individual

but those that just moan and wine just because the disabled get 20% discount (no VAT) well I'd just like to see you living a life like some of these real disabled

go on think about it - would you like to be stuck in a wheelchair? not being able to wash or toilet yourself? just for the sake of 20% discount?

as I said - some abuse the system and they should be reported - those that are real - leave them alone - you have no idea unless you're disabled or caring for the disabled
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JTT - Apple are offering it as a VAT exempt purchase based on the purchaser proving they meet the criteria. It's perfectly legal for VAT registered companies to do this providing the criteria are met and documented to HMRC.
philphil61

yes there are some who are registered disabled incorrectly and this … yes there are some who are registered disabled incorrectly and this should be challenged and everybody who believes that someone who is registered disabled but are "playing the game" has a right to report that individualbut those that just moan and wine just because the disabled get 20% discount (no VAT) well I'd just like to see you living a life like some of these real disabledgo on think about it - would you like to be stuck in a wheelchair? not being able to wash or toilet yourself? just for the sake of 20% discount?as I said - some abuse the system and they should be reported - those that are real - leave them alone - you have no idea unless you're disabled or caring for the disabled



No.

Getting DLA is incredibly difficult and has a 0.5 percent fraud rate, to put that in perspective paperwork error in social benefits is 0.8 percent. It requires medical checks and statements from gp's and specialists and even then the majority fail the ultra harsh criteria.

To report people just because you 'reckon' they are faking is a serious thing to do as it can result in peoples benefits being frozen while a review is being done, a minor annoyance for an able bodied person but potentially life threatening for those with serious health concerns.
Edited by: "Ungreat" 2nd Nov 2012
punkstoner1

Dyslexia fits this. Miles, you and me imma gettin cheap mcboocs."with a … Dyslexia fits this. Miles, you and me imma gettin cheap mcboocs."with a physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect upon his/her ability to carry out everyday activities"http://www.personneltoday.com/Articles/29/08/2007/42089/dyslexia-and-the-disability-discrimination-act-paterson-v-the-commissionr-of-police-of-the-metropolis.htmA police officer who suffered from dyslexia and was disadvantaged when carrying out examinations for promotion was disabled within the meaning of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA). In this case, the Employment Appeal Tribunal (EAT) found that promotion assessments and examinations are "normal day-to-day activities" for the purposes of defining disability under the DDA.



Although it's not too dissimilar the dda has been replaced by the equality act 2010

gov.uk/def…010

If the person was buying a touch screen computer she may of well got it without paying vat, if you are disabled and you can only use certain items, ie a touch screen as can't use normal computer, then you can get it without vat, although you normally pay the vat and then claim it back.
This is discrimination!

Why should disabled people receive a 20% discount? They cried for equal rights, but I don't see them crying over this.
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so JTT are you saying that anyone who waives VAT is breaking the law?

youre making yourself look rather daft watch out or mc will start saying youre "thick"
SpeedJunkie

This is discrimination! Why should disabled people receive a 20% … This is discrimination! Why should disabled people receive a 20% discount? They cried for equal rights, but I don't see them crying over this.



They already get their priority parking spaces god damn it! *sarcasm

I do agree though, equality goes both ways.
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Apple aren't "waiving" the VAT though. It's an HMRC scheme that allows certain purchases to be VAT exempt.
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dimebars

Apple aren't "waiving" the VAT though. It's an HMRC scheme that allows … Apple aren't "waiving" the VAT though. It's an HMRC scheme that allows certain purchases to be VAT exempt.



As waiving VAT should be tax avoidance, which is illegal, right?
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Under normal circumstances "VAT Free" offers are simply 20% discount. VAT will still appear on any invoice.

In this case the sale is VAT exempt or zero-rated so no VAT appears on the invoice. Perfectly legal as its HMRC who offer the exemption, not the retailer.
SpeedJunkie

This is discrimination! Why should disabled people receive a 20% … This is discrimination! Why should disabled people receive a 20% discount? They cried for equal rights, but I don't see them crying over this.



It is not discrimination as they get the money off when they have to buy higher price items because of their disability, so they get it for the amount they would be able to get computer for that had no adaptions or touch screen etc, so in a word you could say it would be discrimination to make disabled pay more for something that a non disabled person could get for less.
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