Help- can I sell car with no MOT?

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Found 1st Apr
My car failed it’s MOT on Tuesday due to emissions and I’ve bought a new car since.

I really don’t want to fork out to have it fixed when I’ll be immediately selling it, can I sell it without an MOT? If so, where’s easiest to get rid? I get the feeling webuyanycar will give me 50p for it!

It’s an 09 Mini with 50,000 miles if it makes any difference.

Thanks!!
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This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the emissions - bottle of redex and a blast for an hour up and down the motorway.

Could be the air filter needs replacing. It would be beneficial grtting it fixed and selling car for alot more that selling it cheap.
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Yes. Best bet is on Gumtree. Put MOT expired in title.

Out of interest what did it fail on and by how much? Also what did the garage say was the likely fix? Did you have it serviced with the MOT, or has it had a service recently?
This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the emissions - bottle of redex and a blast for an hour up and down the motorway.

Could be the air filter needs replacing. It would be beneficial grtting it fixed and selling car for alot more that selling it cheap.
Caroline_19935 m ago

This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the …This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the emissions - bottle of redex and a blast for an hour up and down the motorway. Could be the air filter needs replacing. It would be beneficial grtting it fixed and selling car for alot more that selling it cheap.


Thats what i did after mine failed,£10 worth of petrol and bottle of rednex and up and down the m62 for an hour before my mot and it passed!
Use the Webuy any car web form and see what they quote. Then expect the robbing bar stewards to reduce it further when you go into them.
A Mini will still have appeal to private buyers. Certainly worth the Italian tuneup option and get the emissions retested. Keeping in mind, if it is now out of MOT. You can only legally drive it to and from a test centre.
Never use webuyanycar as they will offer you peanuts. Try a local car seller or fix theissue. You could try another mot garage but tell them what happened and if they can by pass it
Caroline_199326 m ago

This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the …This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the emissions - bottle of redex and a blast for an hour up and down the motorway. Could be the air filter needs replacing. It would be beneficial grtting it fixed and selling car for alot more that selling it cheap.


Or cataclean.
GAVINLEWISHUKD8 h, 3 m ago

Yes. Best bet is on Gumtree. Put MOT expired in title.Out of interest what …Yes. Best bet is on Gumtree. Put MOT expired in title.Out of interest what did it fail on and by how much? Also what did the garage say was the likely fix? Did you have it serviced with the MOT, or has it had a service recently?


The garage didn’t tell me how much by, I grabbed this off the gov MOT history website:

Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)
Exhaust emissions Lambda reading after 2nd fast idle outside specified limits (7.3.D.3)

To be fair the car has been using slightly more petrol and oil I just thought it was normal given the cars getting on.

Thanks for the advice about Gumtree! I actually work at Autotrader but can’t get it put on till Tuesday and want it gone ASAP.

I do super low mileage (4000) in the last year so when I took it for it’s MOT and service last year, they said I can leave it a year for the service so I did. Was going to get it serviced now but seeing as I’m getting rid, it seems like a waste of money
Caroline_199330 m ago

This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the …This could be a very simple and easy fix if it failed on just the emissions - bottle of redex and a blast for an hour up and down the motorway. Could be the air filter needs replacing. It would be beneficial grtting it fixed and selling car for alot more that selling it cheap.


Thanks Caroline, I was reading about this last night. Would I need to do this right before the MOT appointment? It’s due in at the garage to be fixed on Tuesday
Just book your MOT with a test centre (Kwik fit or something online) about 50 miles away. Get a bottle of cataclean (£15-20) from Halfords and shove it in the petrol. Then on the test day drive to the MOT centre and get it done again. If you get stopped show them the appointment invoice that you get emailed.

Just before you get there top up the fuel.
Edited by: "cmdr_elito" 1st Apr
cmdr_elito8 m ago

Or cataclean.


Cataclean wasnt recommended to me. They were investigated once for false advertising or something.
cmdr_elito4 m ago

Just book your MOT with a test centre (Kwik fit or something online) about …Just book your MOT with a test centre (Kwik fit or something online) about 50 miles away. Get a bottle of cataclean (£15-20) from Halfords and shove it in the petrol. Then on the test day drive to the MOT centre and get it done again. If you get stopped show them the appointment invoice that you get emailed.Just before you get there top up the fuel.




If I did this and it didn’t pass, would I be legally allowed to drive it home? I was reading about Cataclean on a Mini forum last night and it seemed like the best option.
Caroline_19935 m ago

Cataclean wasnt recommended to me. They were investigated once for false …Cataclean wasnt recommended to me. They were investigated once for false advertising or something.


Well it worked on my car and it had 160k on it when I scrapped it (diesel fiesta) and it sailed through the emissions each time. Cataclean is stronger than Redex and is a one shot solution.

Also has worked on a lot of other peoples cars that have failed emissions, I told them to get it, they did and got retested with a pass.

The claims they were making related to statements that they made that hadn’t necessarily been ratified in the science lab (scientific evidence), they changed the packaging in response.
Edited by: "cmdr_elito" 1st Apr
You should of been given an emissions printout? Tells you how far out it is. Is the exhaust blowing at all. This will knock your readings out too
jemmarocks9 m ago

Thanks Caroline, I was reading about this last night. Would I need to do …Thanks Caroline, I was reading about this last night. Would I need to do this right before the MOT appointment? It’s due in at the garage to be fixed on Tuesday


Yes give it a good run the night before. On tuesday morning put bottle redex in the petrol (900ml bottle from poundland for £2)
give it a good drive on motorway for about an hour before your test. It should easily pass the emissions. If it fails again on emissions its something more like the air filter may need replacing.
jemmarocks13 m ago

If I did this and it didn’t pass, would I be legally allowed to drive it h …If I did this and it didn’t pass, would I be legally allowed to drive it home? I was reading about Cataclean on a Mini forum last night and it seemed like the best option.


Actually looks like the rules may have changed. You can drive to the test centre and it’s not clear if you can drive it back. Might be best if you buy the stuff and go to a closer one and just gently keep the engine reved for 10 - 20 mins on the drive way before the test.

gov.uk/get…est
Edited by: "cmdr_elito" 1st Apr
cmdr_elito9 m ago

Well it worked on my car and it had 160k on it when I scrapped it (diesel …Well it worked on my car and it had 160k on it when I scrapped it (diesel fiesta) and it sailed through the emissions each time. Cataclean is stronger than Redex and is a one shot solution.Also has worked on a lot of other peoples cars that have failed emissions, I told them to get it, they did and got retested with a pass. The claims they were making related to statements that they made that hadn’t necessarily been ratified in the science lab (scientific evidence), they changed the packaging in response.



cmdr_elito9 m ago

Well it worked on my car and it had 160k on it when I scrapped it (diesel …Well it worked on my car and it had 160k on it when I scrapped it (diesel fiesta) and it sailed through the emissions each time. Cataclean is stronger than Redex and is a one shot solution.Also has worked on a lot of other peoples cars that have failed emissions, I told them to get it, they did and got retested with a pass. The claims they were making related to statements that they made that hadn’t necessarily been ratified in the science lab (scientific evidence), they changed the packaging in response.


It Probably did work on your car but like i said it wasnt recommened to me i was informed to stay clear of it and that was coming from a garage who specialises in car parts and mots. I used redex at a fraction if the cost and that worked.
Caroline_19933 m ago

It Probably did work on your car but like i said it wasnt recommened to me …It Probably did work on your car but like i said it wasnt recommened to me i was informed to stay clear of it and that was coming from a garage who specialises in car parts and mots. I used redex at a fraction if the cost and that worked.


Again it’s down to preference. I can tell you I have done lots of servicing on my old car and the inside of the engine was pristine. But I did treat it every 6 months.
Avoid we buy any car. Offered me £1500 for my car (abit less than if i sold it private, but i wanted it gone asap) got to the centre and the £1500 went down to £1150 and that was before the £70 admin fee!! Sold my car the next day on gumtree for £1600
SteMoss47 m ago

Avoid we buy any car. Offered me £1500 for my car (abit less than if i …Avoid we buy any car. Offered me £1500 for my car (abit less than if i sold it private, but i wanted it gone asap) got to the centre and the £1500 went down to £1150 and that was before the £70 admin fee!! Sold my car the next day on gumtree for £1600


We just traded in are Astra the other day ,offered 5800 online got 5550 at arnold Clarke

Was great service and no admin etc ,bumper was scratched both sides and need service so doped a few hundred which was far

We buy any offered 5000 plus 70 admin and what ever they knock u down
ashmac39 m ago

We just traded in are Astra the other day ,offered 5800 online got 5550 at …We just traded in are Astra the other day ,offered 5800 online got 5550 at arnold Clarke Was great service and no admin etc ,bumper was scratched both sides and need service so doped a few hundred which was far We buy any offered 5000 plus 70 admin and what ever they knock u down


You'd probably of got £6500 If you sold it privately then.....
09 mini would be worth a few grand I think, so don't take peanuts for it but just be upfront about MOt being expired, maybe worth asking how much to fix it as you will most probably get that question if you sell privately.
Yes.. But go online and sort the tax and change of ownership before you hand keys over
ashmac6 h, 25 m ago

We just traded in are Astra the other day ,offered 5800 online got 5550 at …We just traded in are Astra the other day ,offered 5800 online got 5550 at arnold Clarke Was great service and no admin etc ,bumper was scratched both sides and need service so doped a few hundred which was far We buy any offered 5000 plus 70 admin and what ever they knock u down



Yes I saw the Arnold Clark advert! Wasn’t sure whether they’d take it or not given it’s without MOT.
I would definitely get it fixed and MOTd before selling. It's a very low mileage car, 50k is nothing for a vehicle that's 8/9 years old.
jemmarocks9 h, 26 m ago

The garage didn’t tell me how much by, I grabbed this off the gov MOT h …The garage didn’t tell me how much by, I grabbed this off the gov MOT history website:Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)Exhaust emissions Lambda reading after 2nd fast idle outside specified limits (7.3.D.3)To be fair the car has been using slightly more petrol and oil I just thought it was normal given the cars getting on.Thanks for the advice about Gumtree! I actually work at Autotrader but can’t get it put on till Tuesday and want it gone ASAP.I do super low mileage (4000) in the last year so when I took it for it’s MOT and service last year, they said I can leave it a year for the service so I did. Was going to get it serviced now but seeing as I’m getting rid, it seems like a waste of money


They should have given you a print out. If it's only a tiny amount out then as people have said you may get away with a bit of system cleaner and 30-40 mins up the motorway at over 4000 rpm (usually 3rd gear).

If it's a lot out see if anybody has a ODB2 scanner at work (or buy one off eBay for a few pounds) and look for codes.
I suspect it may well the pre-cat lambda sensor is not working correctly. This would cause over fueling (that you have noticed) and increased emissions. Also if the car is burning oil changing the spark plugs (if petrol car) would be a good idea if not done on the last service as they may be gummed up and not burning efficiency increasing emissions (£10 for 4 plugs).

Seems a shame getting little money for the car with 30 mins work you could have got many more years out of it. Maybe offer it to friends or family or somebody at work who could fix it and use it. I'd hate it to go to a trader who will do little work and make a big profit.

But I would definitely buy some redex and give it a blast up the motorway and take it for a free retest. Got to be worth 30 mins of your time.
GAVINLEWISHUKD4 h, 24 m ago

They should have given you a print out. If it's only a tiny amount out …They should have given you a print out. If it's only a tiny amount out then as people have said you may get away with a bit of system cleaner and 30-40 mins up the motorway at over 4000 rpm (usually 3rd gear).If it's a lot out see if anybody has a ODB2 scanner at work (or buy one off eBay for a few pounds) and look for codes.I suspect it may well the pre-cat lambda sensor is not working correctly. This would cause over fueling (that you have noticed) and increased emissions. Also if the car is burning oil changing the spark plugs (if petrol car) would be a good idea if not done on the last service as they may be gummed up and not burning efficiency increasing emissions (£10 for 4 plugs).Seems a shame getting little money for the car with 30 mins work you could have got many more years out of it. Maybe offer it to friends or family or somebody at work who could fix it and use it. I'd hate it to go to a trader who will do little work and make a big profit.But I would definitely buy some redex and give it a blast up the motorway and take it for a free retest. Got to be worth 30 mins of your time.


Thanks for all the sound advice Gavin! Can I ask roughly how much you think it would cost to replace the sensor?

To be honest Mini have offered me a low cashback price for mine which I’ll take if the MOT gets sorted. Bad advert for Autotrader who I work for but I can’t be bothered selling privately with time wasters and what not. Plus anything more advanced than adding coolant or engine oil and I’m completely lost!
If you are part chopping in in no matter what then you have to work out the risk of fixing it Vs what cash you will get extra with the MOT.

First job (call on Tue) is speak to the MOT station and find out the results of the emmisions test. If it's only failed by a bit (CO less than say 0.250 (pass is 0.200)) the £2 redex and thrash it up the motorway. Then take it for a retest. On the way to the test get the engine hot and get some revs into it. If it passes part chopping it. Job done.

Now if it is out by quite alot then you need to get a part chop price with and without MOT. If there is say less than £300 difference then just do the redex trick and if it passes great, if not just take the hit on the £300 and get rid (explained below)

Now to fix it. It it's the pre-cat sensor then the part will probably be about £100 plus £30-£40 to fit. If that doesn't fix it the post-cat one may be buggered too. £50 (rear one will be cheaper) and again 20-30min fitting (£30-£40). Then if it still fails the burnt oil and fuel may have killed the cat. A 3rd party one will probably cost you about £150 plus £60-80 fitting. So likely worst case scenario it may cost you £450 to sort.

So now you can see how important getting the MOT info and the part chop prices off the dealer are. 15 mins work on the phone to save you up to a week's wages.

PS The other option is find somewhere that will do you a dodgy MOT (they just stick the emmisions probe on another car). Then it's passed and part chopped in! (I don't condone this)
GAVINLEWISHUKD1 h, 20 m ago

If you are part chopping in in no matter what then you have to work out …If you are part chopping in in no matter what then you have to work out the risk of fixing it Vs what cash you will get extra with the MOT.First job (call on Tue) is speak to the MOT station and find out the results of the emmisions test. If it's only failed by a bit (CO less than say 0.250 (pass is 0.200)) the £2 redex and thrash it up the motorway. Then take it for a retest. On the way to the test get the engine hot and get some revs into it. If it passes part chopping it. Job done.Now if it is out by quite alot then you need to get a part chop price with and without MOT. If there is say less than £300 difference then just do the redex trick and if it passes great, if not just take the hit on the £300 and get rid (explained below)Now to fix it. It it's the pre-cat sensor then the part will probably be about £100 plus £30-£40 to fit. If that doesn't fix it the post-cat one may be buggered too. £50 (rear one will be cheaper) and again 20-30min fitting (£30-£40). Then if it still fails the burnt oil and fuel may have killed the cat. A 3rd party one will probably cost you about £150 plus £60-80 fitting. So likely worst case scenario it may cost you £450 to sort. So now you can see how important getting the MOT info and the part chop prices off the dealer are. 15 mins work on the phone to save you up to a week's wages. :)PS The other option is find somewhere that will do you a dodgy MOT (they just stick the emmisions probe on another car). Then it's passed and part chopped in! (I don't condone this)


Honestly you’ve been an amazing help, thanks so much!

I have already arranged to leave my car at the garage before they open so I can get to work on time. But I guess I can instruct them to call me before they do anything to check the previous test results? Would have to do the redex thing earlier in the morning preemptively?

The Mini garage is open tomorrow but they’ve not actually asked about the MOT at all, is it worth me calling them anyway to ask about it?

I don’t know anywhere that’ll give me a dodgy MOT so you’ll be pleased to know I can’t do that even if i wanted to
jemmarocks18 m ago

Honestly you’ve been an amazing help, thanks so much!I have already a …Honestly you’ve been an amazing help, thanks so much!I have already arranged to leave my car at the garage before they open so I can get to work on time. But I guess I can instruct them to call me before they do anything to check the previous test results? Would have to do the redex thing earlier in the morning preemptively?The Mini garage is open tomorrow but they’ve not actually asked about the MOT at all, is it worth me calling them anyway to ask about it?I don’t know anywhere that’ll give me a dodgy MOT so you’ll be pleased to know I can’t do that even if i wanted to


In that case yes just put the redex in and take it for a thrash.

So have the mini dealership inspected the car and given you a price at a time when the MOT had expired? I thought from what you had said previously that they low balled you on the price because of no MOT. If they have not checked and they are just offering low money anyway there seems no point in spending good money fixing it. It will be the mini dealers issue. Just need a bit more clarification without asking directly.

PS how much did they offer you?
GAVINLEWISHUKD7 m ago

In that case yes just put the redex in and take it for a thrash.So have …In that case yes just put the redex in and take it for a thrash.So have the mini dealership inspected the car and given you a price at a time when the MOT had expired? I thought from what you had said previously that they low balled you on the price because of no MOT. If they have not checked and they are just offering low money anyway there seems no point in spending good money fixing it. It will be the mini dealers issue. Just need a bit more clarification without asking directly.PS how much did they offer you?


Mind if I PM you?
jemmarocks34 s ago

Mind if I PM you?


No that fine.
Find a local car breaker and ask them to quote you a price. They’d make a grand or two breaking a car so would offer a couple hundred
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