Help - Designing layerd PDFs for a print company

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Found 25th Oct 2008
Hi everyone, if there are any designers out there that could help

I run a small print company and currently out sourse any design requirments. but my clients need names changing on the cards all the time and the designer i use is wanting to charge me for a simple 30 second change

what is the best software for creating layerd PDFs - i have heard EPS or ESP being battered about by people, please let me know what i should in vest in for basic design and modifications to existing PDFs

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What? Kick your designer in the nuts and get the file as an Illustrator EPS file (make sure fonts aren't converted to outllines!)

Easily done in Illustrator mate.

You will find that PDF is not really a usable format for what you are hoping to achieve. You do need to use something like indesign or illustrator, and then convert to PDF for a more versatile viewing file.
If you are out sourcing regular work you are going to expect your designer to charge for edits it would take you much longer to do. Either that or change designers, but you will then struggle to get some consistency in design. They are the professional and if your just the middleman really I wouldn't advise messing about with their work. You should also maybe research a little into what file formats are acceptable ie for how they will be used.
Edited by: "skellysgirl" 30th Sep 2011

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skellysgirl

You will find that PDF is not really a usable format for what you are … You will find that PDF is not really a usable format for what you are hoping to achieve. You do need to use something like indesign or illustrator, and then convert to PDF for a more versatile viewing file.If you are out sourcing regular work you are going to expect your designer to charge for edits it would take you much longer to do. Either that or change designers, but you will then struggle to get some consistency in design. They are the professional and if your just the middleman really I wouldn't advise messing about with their work. You should also maybe research a little into what file formats are acceptable ie for how they will be used.



What?
Any decent designer (like me) will give you work in a PDF or EPS file that you can then edit to what ever you need. They 'should' also include all fonts and pictures associated with that design.

The problem arises when freelances dictate a rate or terms that are a million miles away from reality. I worked as a freelance designer for 5 years and I was flooded with work because I charged a reasonable rate. Now I am part of a larger business, I charge the same rate and we get a silly amount of work - why? Because being a designer isn't hard. Some will charge you silly rates, but you shouldn't pay them. A decent designer is usually a decent chap/girl and will charge you minimal amounts.

Can't Photoshop can do layered files?

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Disco

Can't Photoshop can do layered files?



Not in vector.
We just produced 28 banners 8 flags and a lot of other stuff for a freshers week - designed and produced by me.
We had two of these banners produced by a guy they got in on freelance and he did everything in Photoshop. Why? It's a non scalable file and is an absolute pain in the **** in terms of file size.

I wish all new graduates were educated to the extent of being semi able to produce artwork to an industry standard!

is Illustrator a more "upmarket" Photoshop and the one to use for large(r) images?

JonnyTwoToes

What?Any decent designer (like me) will give you work in a PDF or EPS … What?Any decent designer (like me) will give you work in a PDF or EPS file that you can then edit to what ever you need. They 'should' also include all fonts and pictures associated with that design.The problem arises when freelances dictate a rate or terms that are a million miles away from reality. I worked as a freelance designer for 5 years and I was flooded with work because I charged a reasonable rate. Now I am part of a larger business, I charge the same rate and we get a silly amount of work - why? Because being a designer isn't hard. Some will charge you silly rates, but you shouldn't pay them. A decent designer is usually a decent chap/girl and will charge you minimal amounts.



I agree, but editing PDF is not always possible, using indesign or illustrator is a better tool to use. The amount of people doing bodge jobs on their stationary etc, all because they don't want to pay. It takes time to collect the info, open, edit and export the file. It's certainly not a 30 second job. Too many clients just don't want to pay for that.

The op is asking what is best to change a PDF, when he really should be using a core file.

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Disco

is Illustrator a more "upmarket" Photoshop and the one to use for … is Illustrator a more "upmarket" Photoshop and the one to use for large(r) images?



No. Illustrator is vector. Photoshop is essentially bitmap.

Think of it in pixles, like you see on the screen right now. A circle drawn in illustrator will be no more than four points with axis that establish the circle. A circle in photoshop will be made up of every individual pixel being a component of that circle. Enlarge the circle and you enlarge each pixel.

Hard to explain without showing you - I do teach this, but it's hard to show exactly the theory here.

Disco

is Illustrator a more "upmarket" Photoshop and the one to use for … is Illustrator a more "upmarket" Photoshop and the one to use for large(r) images?


No

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skellysgirl

I agree, but editing PDF is not always possible, using indesign or … I agree, but editing PDF is not always possible, using indesign or illustrator is a better tool to use. The amount of people doing bodge jobs on their stationary etc, all because they don't want to pay. It takes time to collect the info, open, edit and export the file. It's certainly not a 30 second job. Too many clients just don't want to pay for that. The op is asking what is best to change a PDF, when he really should be using a core file.



Agreed.
A core file is hard to come by these days though!
Missing fonts etc.

JonnyTwoToes

Agreed.A core file is hard to come by these days though! :DMissing fonts … Agreed.A core file is hard to come by these days though! :DMissing fonts etc.



Yep and that is the bonus of working with a regular professional. They will already have those such assets. Op get yourself a good reliable designer. They will do the job better and more efficiently than you will. By the time you buy the software and train yourself it would be easier to acquire the right contacts.

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skellysgirl

Yep and that is the bonus of working with a regular professional. They … Yep and that is the bonus of working with a regular professional. They will already have those such assets. Op get yourself a good reliable designer. They will do the job better and more efficiently than you will. By the time you buy the software and train yourself it would be easier to acquire the right contacts.



Very true. Our business only succeeds because of my 18 years experience in graphics and my business partners 18 years in sales.

It scares me that those fresh out of uni think they know a trade standard of working.

I sometimes feel I am no more than helping hand to these idiots.

dcx_badass

To be fair if it's already made and they're just changing a name that can … To be fair if it's already made and they're just changing a name that can be done in under a minute and takes no skill.


The making the change does not, but having the right format, and collecting info etc takes time. It's maybe 10 min job, and when it's a regular thing it eats away your time, people seem to expect designers to do a lot of work for free, the worst line ever..."can you just"

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skellysgirl

The making the change does not, but having the right format, and … The making the change does not, but having the right format, and collecting info etc takes time. It's maybe 10 min job, and when it's a regular thing it eats away your time, people seem to expect designers to do a lot of work for free, the worst line ever..."can you just"




Very true. But it's not actually that hard is it?

JonnyTwoToes

Very true. But it's not actually that hard is it?



It's not hard, just frustrating that people assume because your a designer you will "change cards, or can you just rustle up a logo...it will only take you half hour"

We need paying for our job too, just like everyone else but some seem to think we do what we do as a part time hobby.

Edited by: "skellysgirl" 30th Sep 2011

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skellysgirl



I do agree with you but the level of understanding will NEVER change.
I've come to terms with it.

JonnyTwoToes

I do agree with you but the level of understanding will NEVER change.I've … I do agree with you but the level of understanding will NEVER change.I've come to terms with it.




I think I need to, either that or i am going to have a flashing light behind my desk saying NO I CAN NOT
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