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    HELP PLEEEEASE!!!!! Need Internal Memory for my HP Pavillion T3729.uk

    I'm in desperate need of some internal memory (not sure exactly how to fit it, but think with some proper guidance I'll be able to do it!!!) What I need though, is some help on what to buy. Can anyone please give me a bit of advice? WHen looking at the Hardward Diagnostic Tool, it says that I have 512Mb DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-4200/PC2-4300/533MhZ) not sure if this helps at all, but if anyone can help, I'll be so grateful. At present, I only have 15.9GB free out of a possible 227GB and I know that won't last long as I download a LOT of films.

    Many thanks to anyone who can help

    SB

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    You say you are running out of storage room - In that case you don't want RAM (laptop memory), you want a bigger hard drive. If you are not confident enough to be able to clone your current drive onto a larger one, your best bet is probably to buy an external usb hard drive, and store your films on that.

    Original Poster

    Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie - I had already considered an external hard drive, but had been warned off due to the noise they often omit (from a few peeps on hotukdeals). If I was to consider an external hard drive, what would you consider (I'd be looking for a 1 TB, I guess, would spend up to £120 or thereabouts).

    Cloning the hard drive is something I could find out how to do, as I've got a mate that could help me, or failing that, I'd find out online.

    What would you recommend?

    SB

    What make/model computer do you have, or is it unbranded?

    The largest hard drive (internal) you can get for a laptop is 500gb, and will cost around £80. If you went that route, you would have to either re-install windows onto the new drive, or clone your old drive to the new one. Probably simpler to re-install windows, but you can only do that if you have the original disc.
    It would all be a lot simpler to buy a large usb hard drive, less than £70 for a one terabyte drive (1000Gb). Modern USB drives shut off when not in use, so no worries about noise there.
    See here for an example - hotukdeals.com/ite…sb/

    Original Poster

    SUMMONER;4830704

    What make/model computer do you have, or is it unbranded?



    The model and make is in the heading Summoner :-D

    sb123;4830670

    Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie - I had already considered an external … Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie - I had already considered an external hard drive, but had been warned off due to the noise they often omit (from a few peeps on hotukdeals). If I was to consider an external hard drive, what would you consider (I'd be looking for a 1 TB, I guess, would spend up to £120 or thereabouts). Cloning the hard drive is something I could find out how to do, as I've got a mate that could help me, or failing that, I'd find out online.What would you recommend?Sal



    The noise from external hard drives is not necessarily more noisy than a PC. The external drives that have cooling fans will generate a little extra noise but many are fanless and you will only hear the noise of the drive itself. As you are using a laptop, the drive that is indigenous to your laptop will be low powered and spin slower so will generate less noise than a desktop sized hard drive. An external drive that uses a laptop hard drive (2.5 inch drive) will operate at a noise level similar to the drive in your laptop but the caveat is that 1 TB is not available for 2.5 inch drives and currently, 500 GB is the maximum available for a 2.5 inch drive.

    If you require 1TB of external storage then the options are to buy an external drive using a desktop drive (which are 3.5 inch). Desktop drives spin faster and will generate more noise than your laptop drive but not by much (providing there is no fan in the drive's enclosure). But if noise is such an issue, 2 external 500 GB drives using 2.5 inch laptop drives may be an option.

    If you wish to upgrade the drive internally, then I'm afraid 1 TB is out of the question as your laptop only has a single drive bay and as mentioned earlier, 2.5 inch drives have a capacity of 500 GB maximum. Some laptops will accomodate 2 drives but your laptop only has 1 drive bay.

    If you need to increase your RAM you simply need to buy PC2-4200 or PC2-5300 RAM in SODIMM format.

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    Pantaloonie;4830755

    The largest hard drive (internal) you can get for a laptop is 500gb, and … The largest hard drive (internal) you can get for a laptop is 500gb, and will cost around £80. If you went that route, you would have to either re-install windows onto the new drive, or clone your old drive to the new one. Probably simpler to re-install windows, but you can only do that if you have the original disc.It would all be a lot simpler to buy a large usb hard drive, less than £70 for a one terabyte drive (1000Gb). Modern USB drives shut off when not in use, so no worries about noise there.See here for an example - http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/371046/toshiba-1tb-external-hard-drive-usb/



    Thanks Pantaloonie - great reply, easy to understand - thanks a million. Is there anything else you'd recommend that I buy to help the PC run more quickly and efficiently?

    Original Poster

    Elliot C - thanks for your reply - I'm in the middle of reading it now, but it's DESKTOP I have, not a laptop. Not sure if this will make any difference to your reply

    Back to reading for me!.....

    S

    Elliot - just finished reading your message. Thanks for all the info and the time you'll have spent on it. My desktop does have a spare expansion bay, although the external HDD would suffice by the sounds of it.

    sb123;4830962

    Elliot C - thanks for your reply - I'm in the middle of reading it now, … Elliot C - thanks for your reply - I'm in the middle of reading it now, but it's DESKTOP I have, not a laptop. Not sure if this will make any difference to your replyBack to reading for me!.....S



    Ah sorry, I misread the model number. In that case you can buy an internal 1TB drive to use in conjunction with your existing 250 GB drive. It is best to buy a SATA drive because they are easier to install than PATA drives (your computer supports both types). There is no requirement to exchange your current drive as that will require extra effort in reinstalling your software on the new drive. I believe your computer has the capacity of up to 6 internal SATA drives.

    An external drive will be the easier option and again you can keep your exisitng internal drive saving you the effort of reinstallation. My comments regarding external drives using laptop 2.5 inch drives still stands as they are quieter than desktop 3.5 inch external drives but noise should not be an issue even with external enclosures using desktop 3.5 inch drives.

    As for the memory, you will need PC2-4200, PC2-5300, PC2-6400 RAM in DIMM format rather SODIMM (as I alluded to earlier). You may actually find PC2-6400 cheaper than the slower versions (although your computer will NOT take advatange of the extra speed of PC2-6400 RAM). Extra RAM will increase the speed of your computer but if your RAM slots are already used up, you will need to discard the existing memory to install the new RAM.

    Other methods to speed up your computer is to disable certain services such as Windows Indexing and to buy 2 x 500 GB hard drives and set it up as RAID format (rather than using a single 1TB drive). Sorry I've no time to explain these but there are plenty of resources in Wikipedia.

    sb123;4830946

    Thanks Pantaloonie - great reply, easy to understand - thanks a million. … Thanks Pantaloonie - great reply, easy to understand - thanks a million. Is there anything else you'd recommend that I buy to help the PC run more quickly and efficiently?



    Hah, I thought we were talking about a laptop too!

    One other thing you could so to make it run better is to install more RAM (memory). Doubling the amount you have to 1Gb would probably help no end. You can check what type of memory you need by going to [url]www.crucial.com[/url] and putting your model no. into their memory checker.

    Original Poster

    That's brilliant ElliottC - thank you so much. I've got my head around everything except the RAID format, which I will go onto to Wikipedia and find out about.

    Once again, thanks for all the time and trouble in explaining things so clearly!! I'm off to do a bit of searching on RAID!!

    Best wishes

    SB

    sb123;4830817

    The model and make is in the heading Summoner :-D


    Ooooppps... didn't see that.

    ]HP PC spec page]Motherboard spec

    You computer has 4 SATA ports and 1 PATA port.

    According to the PC spec page one of the three 3.5" drive bays is empty.

    Under ideal circumstances you may not even need to buy any extra cables as HP often provide a spare cable set (open the pc and let your friend take a look before you order the drive)

    When upgrading the hard drive remember that even the cheapest 1TB drive will be a lot faster than your old 250GB one. So I suggest loading Windows onto the new drive, to make use of that extra speed.

    SUMMONER;4831249

    When upgrading the hard drive remember that even the cheapest 1TB drive … When upgrading the hard drive remember that even the cheapest 1TB drive will be a lot faster than your old 250GB one. So I suggest loading Windows onto the new drive, to make use of that extra speed.



    No that's not completely true. The capacity of a hard drive does not have any bearings on the speed. The rotation speed, access time and the amount of cache does.

    sb123;4831212

    That's brilliant ElliottC - thank you so much. I've got my head around … That's brilliant ElliottC - thank you so much. I've got my head around everything except the RAID format, which I will go onto to Wikipedia and find out about. Once again, thanks for all the time and trouble in explaining things so clearly!! I'm off to do a bit of searching on RAID!!Best wishesSally



    I'm not sure if your computer natively supports RAID though. If not, then a RAID adapter can be bought for around £15 if you do choose to use RAID. There are different types as you will see in Wikipedia but RAID0 would be the option to choose for performance.

    ElliottC;4831323

    No that's not completely true. The capacity of a hard drive does not have … No that's not completely true. The capacity of a hard drive does not have any bearings on the speed. The rotation speed, access time and the amount of cache does.


    I didn't mean that. What I meant to say was that any 1TB drive sold today is going to be faster than the old drive. Hence it should be used to boot Windows.

    ElliottC;4831353

    I'm not sure if your computer natively supports RAID though. If not, then … I'm not sure if your computer natively supports RAID though. If not, then a RAID adapter can be bought for around £15 if you do choose to use RAID. There are different types as you will see in Wikipedia but RAID0 would be the option to choose for performance.


    From the HP website...


    [LIST]
    [*]Intel Matrix Storage Technology
    [*]Onboard RAID controller: ICH7-DH
    [*]All Leonite models ship RAID-ready
    [*]Set up RAID using the included WinXP applet
    [*]RAID modes supported*:[LIST]
    [*]RAID 0
    [*]RAID 1[/LIST] [/LIST]

    SUMMONER;4831407

    From the HP website...[LIST][*]Intel Matrix Storage Technology[*]Onboard … From the HP website...[LIST][*]Intel Matrix Storage Technology[*]Onboard RAID controller: ICH7-DH[*]All Leonite models ship RAID-ready[*]Set up RAID using the included WinXP applet[*]RAID modes supported*:[LIST][*]RAID 0[*]RAID 1[/LIST] [/LIST]



    That will save Sally buying a RAID adapter if she does go for 2 x 500 GB hard drives in RAID format.

    If she does go with the raid setup she will have to do either remove the old hard drive, remove the memory card reader or buy a 5.25" conversion bracket to fit one of the drives into the spare DVD drive bay.

    I think one 1TB drive is the simplest solution.

    SUMMONER;4831546

    If she does go with the raid setup she will have to do either remove the … If she does go with the raid setup she will have to do either remove the old hard drive, remove the memory card reader or buy a 5.25" conversion bracket to fit one of the drives into the spare DVD drive bay.I think one 1TB drive is the simplest solution.



    1 TB is certainly easier but RAID 0 is well worth it for the extra speed.

    Original Poster

    Hi Peeps!!!

    I'm back, having read up about RAID!!! I can safely say that much as it looks good, it's probably a little too technical for me! From the advice you've all kindly given me, it sounds like 1Tb Hard Drive, whether internal or external and 2Gb of memory will increase the storage capactiy and increase the speed on my PC!! Just got to decide where best to buy them from now!

    Thanks everyone, your help is so appreciated......I've added Rep for all those who kindly replied! :-D

    Kind regards

    SB

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    Sorry, one last question!!!

    From what I've been reading, it seems that 2 x 1Gb DDR2 PC2-4200/PC2-5300/PC2-6400 RAM DIMM cards are better than a one 2Gb card. Is this correct? And importantly, is there a particular make that I should look out for?

    The prices on Amazon don't seem too bad, but perhaps someone knows of a better deal?

    Many thanks


    SB

    sb123;4832037

    Sorry, one last question!!!From what I've been reading, it seems that 2 x … Sorry, one last question!!!From what I've been reading, it seems that 2 x 1Gb DDR2 PC2-4200/PC2-5300/PC2-6400 RAM DIMM cards are better than a one 2Gb card. Is this correct? And importantly, is there a particular make that I should look out for? The prices on Amazon don't seem too bad, but perhaps someone knows of a better deal?Many thanksSally



    Yes it is better to buy 2 x 1GB rather than a single 2GB DIMM because your computer can run memory in dual channel mode which allows for higher bandwidth resulting in quicker operation. This means data from the memory can be read or written to twice in one operation (similar to RAID 0). Unlike RAID 0, setup for dual channel memory is relatively easy.

    Original Poster

    ElliotC, just wondering if you can give me your expert advice - does this look like a good deal to you....... ebuyer.com/pro…710

    Also, here is the spec of my PC - will the PC2-6400 definitely work with it. It doesn't mention it in the spec h10025.www1.hp.com/ewf…=us, but I'm wondering if that's because it wasn't available when my PC was produced.......I have my finger hovvering over the Buy it Now Option as I type!!!! lol
    SB

    sb123;4832295

    ElliotC, just wondering if you can give me your expert advice - does this … ElliotC, just wondering if you can give me your expert advice - does this look like a good deal to you....... http://www.ebuyer.com/product/98710 Also, here is the spec of my PC - will the PC2-6400 definitely work with it. It doesn't mention it in the spec http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00864946&lc=en&cc=us, but I'm wondering if that's because it wasn't available when my PC was produced.......I have my finger hovvering over the Buy it Now Option as I type!!!! lolSal



    PC2-6400 will definitely work. I was wrong arlier when I said that your PC may not use the full speed of PC2-6400. Looking at the specifications, it will utilise the full speed of PC2-6400. It does mention in the spec that the FSB is 800 Mhz which means you can certainly use PC2-6400 which will communicate with the processor at 800 Mhz. I know PC2-6400 isn't specifically mentioned (and I don't know why) but it will work.

    Original Poster

    ElliotC - I didn't get your message until this morning, but thank you so much for all your advice!!! I've now bought the Corsair 2x1GB PC2 6400 as you suggested and I bought the 1Tb Toshiba at the same time! Next time I have to buy another hard drive, I'm going to 'brave it' and buy an internal one!

    Thank you so much for making the decision to buy so easy - I really do appreciate all your help!

    Best wishes

    SB
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