Help With Microfilters/ADSL Connection

My connection has been disconnecting, reconnecting etc for ages now and its doing my head in, Tiscali havent got a clue either - can anyone look over my filter configuration etc and see if it needs changing? Pic in first post

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Original Poster

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4139/filters.jpg

The micro filter should be where the splitter is as far as I know.

Phone socket-> micro filter-> splitter

My filter goes straight into the main phone line box.

mine does the same with tiscali. think its something to do with my downstairs line though, when a call comes in it sometimes disconects. also its a fuzzy line on the phone when broadband plugged in

sicpuppy;5374435


Your config is correct, as If you had the filter at the phone socket before the splitter you would then need to filter again for the ADSL lead to the modem.
Saying that, are they cheap DIy type extensions? are they flat? Have you tried your router direct into the master socket? I'm guessing the extensions aren't hard wired into the NTE5 and are plug in ones striaght to the splitter (as you would a phone).

Spriggan;5374474

The micro filter should be where the splitter is as far as I know.Phone … The micro filter should be where the splitter is as far as I know.Phone socket-> micro filter-> splitter



That would require you to run a seperate cable for the modem though.

As long as the white box only signifies an empty socket (or the socket the modem is attached to) then your layout looks fine. I'm assuming that's your whole house, you need microfilters on every occupied socket in the house.

Tell us more about the disconnection problem. When do the disconnections happen, how frequent they are, if they've ever been better or worse.

I assume you've narrowed this down to the phone lines by plugging your computer into the router using an ethernet cable and have ruled out wifi problems.

If you've got a new BT style master socket with removable lower half then taking the lower half off should reveal a test socket behind it that's not connected to your home wiring - plugging your router in there if possible will help eliminate some possible causes.

Banned

would you not need a filter on that middle bit, if not hard wired

Phone Socket -> ADSL filter.

Connect the splitter to the phone side of the filter and your modem to the ADSL side.

That's all you need.

Xb0xGuru;5375003

Phone Socket - ADSL filter.Connect the splitter to the phone side of the … Phone Socket -> ADSL filter.Connect the splitter to the phone side of the filter and your modem to the ADSL side.That's all you need.


I'm guessing it'set up as it is as the router is a considerable distance from the NTE5

Paddy_o_furniture;5375050

I'm guessing it'set up as it is as the router is a considerable distance … I'm guessing it'set up as it is as the router is a considerable distance from the NTE5



Good point - OP, how far away is your router from the phone socket?

Banned

on that set up if not hard wired you need 4 filters

sassie;5375103

on that set up if not hard wired you need 4 filters


Why?

Paddy_o_furniture;5375111

Why?



/waits with interest for a reply!

Banned

he should have main socket, filter then splitter, filter from homephone to splitter, filter from extension to splitter (if not hard wired into main socket) then filter from router to extension, making 4 filters

owens101;5374495

mine does the same with tiscali. think its something to do with my … mine does the same with tiscali. think its something to do with my downstairs line though, when a call comes in it sometimes disconects. also its a fuzzy line on the phone when broadband plugged in



In your case it sounds like you've not got it configured correctly, or you have a faulty microfilter.

Xb0xGuru;5375119

/waits with interest for a reply!


I'm worried I don't know how to do my own job now.

excuse my fantastic art work but what does this bit in my diagram below represent?
http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu184/stobbsy79/filters.jpg

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Paddy_o_furniture;5375161

excuse my fantastic art work but what does this bit in my diagram below … excuse my fantastic art work but what does this bit in my diagram below represent?



i assumed it was an extension from main socket, not hard wired

" Tiscali havent got a clue either - can anyone look over my filter configuration etc and see if it needs changing? "

Why are you you using them then?

Original Poster

Paddy_o_furniture;5375161

excuse my fantastic art work but what does this bit in my diagram below … excuse my fantastic art work but what does this bit in my diagram below represent?



Thats just where my 10m line ends, and I have another 10m line extending it to the router as its through the hall and in another room

Hopefully that clears up some issues

sicpuppy;5376066

Thats just where my 10m line ends, and I have another 10m line extending … Thats just where my 10m line ends, and I have another 10m line extending it to the router as its through the hall and in another roomHopefully that clears up some issues


That won't be helping, go down to B&Q or Wilkinsons and buy some proper phone wire, DIY extensions are notoriously bad for carrying ADSL signals. Have you tried plugging the router direct into the master socket?
http://www.rob-r.co.uk/other/UKphonecatwiring_files/image012.jpg
Like this? If you try your ADSL service there and all seems ok it's likely to be a problem with your wiring. Elminate your internal wiring from the problems, as your ISP may charge you for sending an engineer if he proves the problem to your own wiring/equipment.

Original Poster

dcx_badass;5376290

One 10m extension is bad enough (although I use a 15m one just fine), but … One 10m extension is bad enough (although I use a 15m one just fine), but two extensions that long is way too much, and you may have a faulty filter, get rid of those extensions, plug the router into the phone socket and run an ethernet cable to your PC instead as they can handle that distance just fine.



Im now thinking its the extension, tried countless filters...Now have it plugged into master socket and its OK at the mo

Is there any reason why your router has to be so far away from your master socket? If it's for networking reasons, you'd gain a lot more if you used Homeplugs to send the Ethernet to other rooms.

2 extensions = too much loss. As above, place the router as close to master socket as possible (at most through 1 extension) and re-route the networking (or get wireless/homeplugs!!).

Original Poster

jah128;5377326

2 extensions = too much loss. As above, place the router as close to … 2 extensions = too much loss. As above, place the router as close to master socket as possible (at most through 1 extension) and re-route the networking (or get wireless/homeplugs!!).



This is just it, this is the absolute closest I can get the router to it, as its the nearest wall plug socket...which is gay!

Banned

can you not hardwire extension from main socket, rather han having these diy extension things, assuming they plug in ones. you would not then need a splitter, just filter on phone and router

sicpuppy;5377824

This is just it, this is the absolute closest I can get the router to it, … This is just it, this is the absolute closest I can get the router to it, as its the nearest wall plug socket...which is gay!



The nearest power socket to your master socket is 20 metres away? How is that even possible?

Original Poster

Ok ok, I decided to change my setup...I guess it would make sense to have my router near my phone? As I have a Mac Mini (Wireless, no ethernet) and laptop (Wireless), 360, wii, iphone anyway, ALL WIRELESS so I guess the nearer the socket the better!

Well, still the same! I now have a single line (The one used for the phone) which goes from the socket, to a splitter, to 2 filters, and from those filters, the router and phone, anyone see anything wrong?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9098/newobf.jpg

Banned

you dont need the splitter now

Original Poster

OK it is now:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5195/new2osk.jpg

Banned

thats it

sicpuppy;5379279

OK it is now:



Bingo

Banned

lol - i got to ask cause it just wouldnt be me if i didnt, but why didnt you just do that in the 1st place - lol

Original Poster

Just disconnected me again Anyone got anymore ideas?

Original Poster

sassie;5379312

lol - i got to ask cause it just wouldnt be me if i didnt, but why didnt … lol - i got to ask cause it just wouldnt be me if i didnt, but why didnt you just do that in the 1st place - lol



No idea...but its still not working

Its still a hell of a lot less space consuming though

Banned

have you done as suggested and used it direct, take off phone cover socket, have you also had your line checked?

Original Poster

sassie;5379323

have you done as suggested and used it direct, take off phone cover … have you done as suggested and used it direct, take off phone cover socket, have you also had your line checked?



Yes and yes Using it direct from the master socket at the moment

Banned

last time i had probs like this it was a problem on my line, bt came out next day and sorted it

Banned

sicpuppy;5379340

Yes and yes Using it direct from the master socket at the moment



using it direct from master and its still disconnecting, and your lines been checked sounds like its you service provider
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