help with pc upgrade needed / what ram,components hdd etc

So i have a really old pc that has been sitting untouched for about a year, i am having some troubles with my laptop (it wont charge, makes loud noises etc) and i am thinking of making this my main use pc instead of the laptop.

I am rubbish with such things as ram and hdd's etc. i downloaded a program called cpu-z so i could screenshot whats in the system just now.

The only thing i acquire of the pc is that it can run itunes, internet explorer and msn, i would of course like it to be future proof.

I have all the neccesarry things such as mouse,keyboard,monitor, os and the actual pc itself

I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go next, also note it wouldnt tell me anything about the hdd's i know there is 2 40gb's in it, so i took a picture of inside because i dont know if its sata or ide.

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memory is going to be your key upgrade.

[url]www.crucial.com/uk[/url] and use there utility to see what you could buy, and then buy its cheapest option?

>I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go next

I would say the PC is not worth upgrading at all as it is from 2003.

If you want to upgrade the CPU you will need a new motherboard, if you buy a new motherboard you will need new RAM.

If you buy a new motherboard you will need a new SATA drive (the existing drives are IDE).

You will probably need a new power supply.

About the only things you can reuse are the case and the CD/DVD drive (and even the CD/DVD drive is probably best upgrading).

Do yourself a favour and dont bother to upgrade but "start again".

update: The only quick cheap option is to remove the 3 memory stick and put in two 1Gb sticks, but I am not even convinced it is worth doing that.

You have a gig of ram, 2bg of ram will make a difference and maybe more storage for your music.

Above is true if you wanted to use it for more.

I use a far less of a pc in terms of things for work. And its practical.

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Adam2050;8141364

memory is going to be your key upgrade.[url]www.crucial.com/uk[/url] and … memory is going to be your key upgrade.[url]www.crucial.com/uk[/url] and use there utility to see what you could buy, and then buy its cheapest option?



Thanks for the info going to try that now.

guilbert53;8141388

I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go … >I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go nextI would say the PC is not worth upgrading at all.If you want to upgrade the CPU you will need a new motherboard, if you buy a new motherboard you will need new RAM.If you buy a new motherboard you will need a new SATA drive (the drives are IDE).You will probably need a new power supply.About the only things you can reuse are the case and the CD/DVD drive (and even the CD/DVD drive is probably best upgrading).Do yourself a favour and dont bother to upgrade but "start again".



If i had the money i would just buy a new laptop , but i dont hence upgrading this. Im looking to upgrade the hdd and ram. So i need a ide hdd, but there are far too many wires in there for me to know which ones are what, i would considering putting in a dvd rw but again its those wires :whistling:

Adam2050;8141408

You have a gig of ram, 2bg of ram will make a difference and maybe more … You have a gig of ram, 2bg of ram will make a difference and maybe more storage for your music.Above is true if you wanted to use it for more.I use a far less of a pc in terms of things for work. And its practical.



Thanks for the comment again, i have no more than 10gb of music as it nearly all fitted on my 8gb ipod touch.

I have an external hardrive that i could use for anyother media such as movies.

bargaincrazy09;8141451

Thanks for the info going to try that now.If i had the money i would just … Thanks for the info going to try that now.If i had the money i would just buy a new laptop , but i dont hence upgrading this. Im looking to upgrade the hdd and ram. So i need a ide hdd, but there are far too many wires in there for me to know which ones are what, i would considering putting in a dvd rw but again its those wires :whistling:Thanks for the comment again, i have no more than 10gb of music as it nearly all fitted on my 8gb ipod touch.I have an external hardrive that i could use for anyother media such as movies.



Well just look at the cheapest method of new ram, and give it a good format afterwards, XP and it will feel a lot quicker.

Totally agree there's not much room for improvement there, you could get a dual core amd cpu, a couple of gb's of ram an 80gb sata hdd a mobo with onboard graphics and a cheap case with a psu for under £150.

guilbert53;8141388

I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go … >I have uploaded the pictures so can someone please tell me where to go nextI would say the PC is not worth upgrading at all.If you want to upgrade the CPU you will need a new motherboard, if you buy a new motherboard you will need new RAM.If you buy a new motherboard you will need a new SATA drive (the drives are IDE).You will probably need a new power supply.About the only things you can reuse are the case and the CD/DVD drive (and even the CD/DVD drive is probably best upgrading).Do yourself a favour and dont bother to upgrade but "start again".

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danmc;8141475

Totally agree there's not much room for improvement there, you could get … Totally agree there's not much room for improvement there, you could get a dual core amd cpu, a couple of gb's of ram an 80gb sata hdd a mobo with onboard graphics and a cheap case with a psu for under £150.



Any links to this ?

bargaincrazy09;8141451

So i need a ide hdd, but there are far too many wires in there for me to … So i need a ide hdd, but there are far too many wires in there for me to know which ones are what, i would considering putting in a dvd rw but again its those wires



Hard disks and CD/DVD drives only have TWO connections.

One is the power supply (the white connector with the four wires going into it - yellow, red, black,back).

The other is the DATA connector (a long VERY THIN fairly wide cable known as an IDE cable).

So generally replacing a hard disk or CD/DVD drive is one of the easiest things you can do.

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guilbert53;8141526

Hard disks and CD/DVD drives only have TWO connections.One is the power … Hard disks and CD/DVD drives only have TWO connections.One is the power supply (the white connector with the four wires going into it - yellow, red, black,back).The other is the DATA connector (a long VERY THIN fairly wide cable known as an IDE cable).So generally replacing a hard disk or CD/DVD drive is one of the easiest things you can do.



Thanks for that, when i opened up the system, it seemed like they where all connected together (two hdds & cd rom drive) im not sure if its clear from the pictures, but if i remove one hdd, can i then just have 2 neccesary cables going into each ? Like they wouldnt need to be connected to each other in any way ?

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bargaincrazy09;8141596

Thanks for that, when i opened up the system, it seemed like they where … Thanks for that, when i opened up the system, it seemed like they where all connected together (two hdds & cd rom drive) im not sure if its clear from the pictures, but if i remove one hdd, can i then just have 2 neccesary cables going into each ? Like they wouldnt need to be connected to each other in any way ?



This is going to sound rather technical, but it is not that difficult, but you do need to understand it if you are going to be adding and removing IDE drives.

In the days of IDE (new computers are all SATA) there were TWO IDE connectors on a computer motherboard.

Each connector could have ONE or TWO devices on it (so devices could SHARE one IDE connector). So the maximum number of IDE devices was four (two on each cable).

If for example if you had a SINGLE hard disk and a SINGLE CD/DVD Drive you had one IDE cable going from IDE1 on the motherboard to the hard disk, and another IDE cable going from IDE2 on the motherboard to the CD/DVD Drive.

The IDE cable would look like this (one end goes in the motherboard, the other into the device - hard disk etc)
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But suppose you had TWO hard drives and ONE CD/DVD drive (three devices).

So TWO of the devices would need to SHARE an IDE cable.

So now you would need an IDE cable like THIS (one end goes in the motherboard, and the two other connectors go in the hard disk and CD/DVD Drive)
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Now because you have TWO devices on a single IDE cable you have to set one as MASTER and the other as SLAVE.

This is done by setting a small jumper on the back of the hard disk or CD/DVD drive to say which is master and which is slave.

Usually of course the hard disk with the operating system on it would be master and could have its own IDE cable.

The other hard disk and CD/DVD drive could share the other IDE calbe, with one as master and one as slave.

So if you are going to start removing IDE drives and adding new ones you need to find out:

1) What devices are connected to which IDE cables

2) What devices are master and which are slave.

As I said, all sounds rather complex, but it is not really.

bargaincrazy09;8141596

Like they wouldnt need to be connected to each other in any way ?



One extra thing.

The POWER connectors are often on one or two long cables, with a number of MOLEX (power) connectors on them (a bit like this):

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So it may LOOK like the devices (hard disk etc) are connected together, but they are not.

The cable is just taking the power from one device, to another, to another and so on.

Original Poster

Thanks great post, will read it over tommorow when im sitting infront of the pc again, tryed to add rep again but it wouldnt let me lol

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once you buy all new parts, your windows (which will be oem) wont validate, or allow you to use it, by the time you buy that too. not worth it
plus all the messing with parts, cables, and a guarantee which means you have to send parts back, or mess around if parts come from different places

for now this is what i would do, clean format the machine (it has enough ram for what it is) and just install the basics, it will run well enough for online and homework or wordprocessing or whatever (not games obviously)

if you need external storage buy a usb drive but dont spend any on the machine, it is past it, all of it.

save up and just buy a new machine, look at the best deals that come up here,

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jubbyme;8142230

once you buy all new parts, your windows (which will be oem) wont … once you buy all new parts, your windows (which will be oem) wont validate, or allow you to use it, by the time you buy that too. not worth itplus all the messing with parts, cables, and a guarantee which means you have to send parts back, or mess around if parts come from different placesfor now this is what i would do, clean format the machine (it has enough ram for what it is) and just install the basics, it will run well enough for online and homework or wordprocessing or whatever (not games obviously) if you need external storage buy a usb drive but dont spend any on the machine, it is past it, all of it.save up and just buy a new machine, look at the best deals that come up here,



I can get xp pro for free using msdnaa because i am a student so the os wont be a problem. Thanks for the comments, and i am going to save up for a new machine and do the clean install as you suggested, rep added.
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