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    i thought pensioners had their tax allowances raised significantly to take account of the 10p band being removed.

    and since when did the PM ever listen to the people of this country

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    csiman;1943378

    i thought pensioners had their tax allowances raised significantly to … i thought pensioners had their tax allowances raised significantly to take account of the 10p band being removed.and since when did the PM ever listen to the people of this country



    Not so, I am afraid. If you don't qualify for any credits then you will be about
    £200 a year worse off .
    All politicians listen if they think they will lose votes

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    PaulPoole;1943414

    Not so, I am afraid. If you don't qualify for any credits then you will … Not so, I am afraid. If you don't qualify for any credits then you will be about £200 a year worse off .All politicians listen if they think they will lose votes


    I think you are wrong. Pensioners who are 65 and over are protected from the loss of the 10% lower rate band of tax by an increase from £7,550 to £9,030 in the personal allowance for those up to age 74. Those of 75 and over get a slightly higher allowance of £9,180.

    Don;t get me wrong. I am not defending this utterly ill-thought out tax legislation. I would never have thought it would come to this via a 'labour' government.

    Its the low paid that are getting hit the hardest.

    If I were hypothetically be called the Prime Minster at home in my house. And my house is my country. I have the highest "taxation" and I have the highest social benefits for my family. That is how I spend my national income and hardly anything on myself, Whooops what did I spend again because of HOTUKDEALS!!:-D It is the greatest waster of tax payers' money in this hypothetical PM!

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    csiman;1943416

    I think you are wrong. Pensioners who are 65 and over are protected from … I think you are wrong. Pensioners who are 65 and over are protected from the loss of the 10% lower rate band of tax by an increase from £7,550 to £9,030 in the personal allowance for those up to age 74. Those of 75 and over get a slightly higher allowance of £9,180.Don;t get me wrong. I am not defending this utterly ill-thought out tax legislation. I would never have thought it would come to this via a 'labour' government.Its the low paid that are getting hit the hardest.



    I sincerely hope you are right, but it still will hurt the low paid, as you say.

    I wonder if I will get a reply to my my email ? Not holding my breath :roll:

    Time for the folks to migrate ... somewhere slightly warmer (less heating bills), where people take care of each other and the £ goes further.

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    kippy;1943615

    Time for the folks to migrate ... somewhere slightly warmer (less heating … Time for the folks to migrate ... somewhere slightly warmer (less heating bills), where people take care of each other and the £ goes further.



    Good idea, except the £ is dropping against the Euro so choice is restricted .

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    to be honest the pensioners in this country a bunch of moaners- they ought to appreciate what they get

    come on theyre not exactly left penny-less with £100 p/w + other benefits like free medical care, free national yes national travel passes

    overseas your left to your own devices!

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    £100 a week and you could live like a king in thailand

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    ROKO;1943927

    to be honest the pensioners in this country a bunch of moaners- they … to be honest the pensioners in this country a bunch of moaners- they ought to appreciate what they getcome on theyre not exactly left penny-less with £100 p/w + other benefits like free medical care, free national yes national travel passesoverseas your left to your own devices!



    Yeah, with much bigger pensions ! Still, I refuse to let you wind me up . I don't want fall off
    my zimmer frame .

    EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES
    Winners:
    Most people with incomes of £18,000+
    Under £18,000 but aged 65+ and therefore eligible for higher personal allowances
    Under £18,000 but with young children and therefore eligible for child tax credits
    Losers:
    Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25
    Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowances
    Part-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits
    Different personal circumstances may affect final amounts
    Source: PWC

    PaulPoole;1943836

    Good idea, except the £ is dropping against the Euro so choice is … Good idea, except the £ is dropping against the Euro so choice is restricted .



    wasnt talking about Euro or USA.

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    kippy;1947455

    wasnt talking about Euro or USA.


    USA will be a great price for property in a year or two as long as the USD/GBP rate stays around 1.9-2.0

    Just a shame the hot places are full of republican bush lovers or health nuts

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    gbmacqueen;1944680

    EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES Winners:Most people with incomes of £18,000+Under … EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES Winners:Most people with incomes of £18,000+Under £18,000 but aged 65+ and therefore eligible for higher personal allowancesUnder £18,000 but with young children and therefore eligible for child tax creditsLosers:Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowancesPart-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax creditsDifferent personal circumstances may affect final amountsSource: PWC



    so how do the real people that need it loose out?

    Losers:
    Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25 - go back to school or get a better job
    Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowances shame on you for retiring early... go back to work
    Part-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits work longer, get paid more...
    Different personal circumstances may affect final amounts like what?

    honestly, scroungers in this country have it so good. there are way too many benefits here... no incentive to work. i'm graduating next year and i worked my AS$ off to get a good job. but when i start work IN MY FIRST YEAR i'm expected to pay 40% on some of my earnings... are you pulling my leg??

    and there is next man, my age sitting on his backside doing nothing and is housed, cared for sent my 40% to keep him warm so he can make as many kids as he can to get those child benefit cheques comming in.. this is why there is not enough money for the people that need it. people dying in "great" britian cause they cant turn the heating on... and next man is living it up in his ford escort with his girlfriend (not wife) poppin out kids like there is no tomorrow.. it makes me sick.

    and to top it off.. i cant even see an NHS doctor cause all the scroungers are in there for nothing!

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    imranmaz;1949842

    so how do the real people that need it loose out?Losers:Under £18,000 and … so how do the real people that need it loose out?Losers:Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25 - go back to school or get a better jobRetired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowances shame on you for retiring early... go back to workPart-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits work longer, get paid more...Different personal circumstances may affect final amounts like what?honestly, scroungers in this country have it so good. there are way too many benefits here... no incentive to work. i'm graduating next year and i worked my AS$ off to get a good job. but when i start work IN MY FIRST YEAR i'm expected to pay 40% on some of my earnings... are you pulling my leg??and there is next man, my age sitting on his backside doing nothing and is housed, cared for sent my 40% to keep him warm so he can make as many kids as he can to get those child benefit cheques comming in.. this is why there is not enough money for the people that need it. people dying in "great" britian cause they cant turn the heating on... and next man is living it up in his ford escort with his girlfriend (not wife) poppin out kids like there is no tomorrow.. it makes me sick.and to top it off.. i cant even see an NHS doctor cause all the scroungers are in there for nothing!


    Somebody got out the wrong side of bed today ;-)

    You have a pretty warped view of society IMHO :? You can always emigrate if you don't like it!

    If you are a graduate, then I suggest you go back to school as you obviously need some english grammar and spelling lessons!

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    csiman;1949844

    Somebody got out the wrong side of bed today ;-)You have a pretty warped … Somebody got out the wrong side of bed today ;-)You have a pretty warped view of society IMHO :? You can always emigrate if you don't like it!If you are a graduate, then I suggest you go back to school as you obviously need some english grammar and spelling lessons!



    this isn't an english exam and i can assue you i am well learned.

    i dont have a wrped view of society. i see it for what it is. the people that work hard really do get screwed over. and the people that dont work at all get everything they want.

    the only people that should be helped are the people that cannot help themselves.

    why should i emigrate? so if people dont like something they should just rollover and die? the system is flawed and there have been some marked steps to improve it but it is still grossly inefficient and exploitable.

    imranmaz;1949842

    so how do the real people that need it loose out?Losers:Under £18,000 and … so how do the real people that need it loose out?Losers:Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25 - go back to school or get a better jobRetired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowances shame on you for retiring early... go back to workPart-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits work longer, get paid more...Different personal circumstances may affect final amounts like what?honestly, scroungers in this country have it so good. there are way too many benefits here... no incentive to work. i'm graduating next year and i worked my AS$ off to get a good job. but when i start work IN MY FIRST YEAR i'm expected to pay 40% on some of my earnings... are you pulling my leg??and there is next man, my age sitting on his backside doing nothing and is housed, cared for sent my 40% to keep him warm so he can make as many kids as he can to get those child benefit cheques comming in.. this is why there is not enough money for the people that need it. people dying in "great" britian cause they cant turn the heating on... and next man is living it up in his ford escort with his girlfriend (not wife) poppin out kids like there is no tomorrow.. it makes me sick.and to top it off.. i cant even see an NHS doctor cause all the scroungers are in there for nothing!



    at least u're earning enough (2nd tax bracket) so it kinda takes away the sting ... most people are in the 1st bracket, pay loads of tax (in relation). one financial adviser friend (she's moved countries now!) said we pay tax, vat on almost everything so what do u get in reality every month? about 10%.

    imranmaz;1949857

    this isn't an english exam and i can assue you i am well learned. i dont … this isn't an english exam and i can assue you i am well learned. i dont have a wrped view of society. i see it for what it is. the people that work hard really do get screwed over. and the people that dont work at all get everything they want. the only people that should be helped are the people that cannot help themselves. why should i emigrate? so if people dont like something they should just rollover and die? the system is flawed and there have been some marked steps to improve it but it is still grossly inefficient and exploitable.



    I hate people saying that too. "Well don't live here then". I hate lots about this country but it doesn't mean i want to live somewhere else and give into it. Its just people have forgotton how to fight for things. We used to do but nowadays we just "accept" things. I get in a right tizzy about lots of things and then feel really abnormal for doing it as these things don't bother other people the same.

    csiman;1943416

    I think you are wrong. Pensioners who are 65 and over are protected from … I think you are wrong. Pensioners who are 65 and over are protected from the loss of the 10% lower rate band of tax by an increase from £7,550 to £9,030 in the personal allowance for those up to age 74. Those of 75 and over get a slightly higher allowance of £9,180.Don;t get me wrong. I am not defending this utterly ill-thought out tax legislation. I would never have thought it would come to this via a 'labour' government.Its the low paid that are getting hit the hardest.



    the day when tory has some working class in their midst then i'll start to have some faith. guess who brought in the council tax in the first place? i dont want to be either tory nor labour but blaming the current government is always the fashionable thing in britain. come up with some solutions or stand for elections - for me it's wayyy too complicated at every level.

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    kippy;1949894

    so what do u get in reality every month? about 10%.



    exactly! that's my point.. where does all that money go? we pay so much tax and still people that need it cant get any. its cause the lazy but sly lot do all this fraud or just simply play the system for all its worth.

    and it doesnt matter how much money people earn as when you earm more you end up spending more. plus no one can ever have "enough" money..:thumbsup: i'll struggle to get the kind of house i want. i'm amazed how others manage...?

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    I blame the system that allows people to be better off on benefits than working (if able of course!). Two of my friends live permanently in Chang Mi (Thailand) on disability benefits of £130 a week each. They live like kings over there. One has been there over 12 years!

    They just have to come back every 3 years for a 5 minute medical. Thats the only day I ever see them with walking sticks!

    Their local pub is absolutely packed out with people on the sick.

    I still don't blame them though. I just have a bit more moral fibre than they have but who's laughing at who really

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    csiman;1950613

    I blame the system that allows people to be better off on benefits than … I blame the system that allows people to be better off on benefits than working (if able of course!). Two of my friends live permanently in Chang Mi (Thailand) on disability benefits of £130 a week each. They live like kings over there. One has been there over 12 years!



    we are on the same page now...:thumbsup:

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    imranmaz;1950626

    we are on the same page now...:thumbsup:


    I prefer it that way :thumbsup:
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