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Found 20th Oct 2014
Been looking into getting a decent home CCTV system. Looked on HUKD ask forum and all the questions/advice seem to be months/years old.

I've been browsing EBay for the last 3 hours and deducted the best cameras to get are the 1000TVL (the major difference between the 800, 900, 1000 and the 1200TVL you may ask? :

It’s the number of TV lines the camera can produce (resolution):
security-camera-warehouse.com/kno…hp/

I thought it best to just go for the 1000TVL’s as I’m not sure many DVR’s can actually cope with the 1200TVL’s resolution so would be wasting your time paying over the odds for something that can’t even be used :-P

My main issue is I can't decide which the best DVR is and what the major differences / advantages are of each. I've seen the Sannce and the Floureon versions.

Any CCTV installer people out there I’d appreciate some advice on the pros / cons with either? :-)

Basically I want to install 4 cameras (two at the front, one side and one at the rear of my property), I’m going to have the cables for these coming into my loft then through the roof into the corner of the ceiling in the room below, I’ve got easy access to my loft, its boarded, got lights and a ladder for access. I’ll then use some trunking painted the same colour as the room so it blends in, the cables for the cameras will then be where my desktop computer and router is. I’ll have the DVR then connected to a standalone Dell 20" monitor I’ve got spare, then I can also easily connect the DVR to my wireless router enabling me to be able to view the cameras remotely.

Below are some of the systems I’ve seen, I’ll probably go for one without a hard drive as I expect these are a doddle to fit and I’ll probably be able to get a 1TB or 2TB version for the price of a 500GB installed.

ebay.co.uk/itm…206

(Best offer auction so would offer at a lower price)

ebay.co.uk/itm…e92

(Best offer auction so would offer at a lower price)

Any advice on these systems would be greatly appreciated or if there is a better option out there please advise.

Cheers

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By the way i'm just coming off a 12 hour night shift so will check back after i've had some sleep oO

If you are serious about cctv then don't bother with either of these, pick up a digital system with 1080p cameras. That way you can actually identity people with it. 1000tvl cameras are basically just 640tvl cameras as that's what the analogue systems record at max.

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LazybeatX

If you are serious about cctv then don't bother with either of these, … If you are serious about cctv then don't bother with either of these, pick up a digital system with 1080p cameras. That way you can actually identity people with it. 1000tvl cameras are basically just 640tvl cameras as that's what the analogue systems record at max.



Ok, can you put a link to a good system and the best place to get it? Thanks

hdcctv.co.uk/col…-2t this is a great system, not cheap by any means but you can't put a price on security. There are other sites around too but basically what you want to be looking for are proper hdsdi cameras and dvr's if you really want a clear picture.

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Thanks for the info. That's about 4x the amount a want to pay though (£200ish)
I appreciate what your saying but I'm sure the £200 systems aren't that bad people would be unrecognisable.

have you considered a HD IP system with Poe. that's for power over Ethernet and the NVR instead of DVR powers the cameras too so only 1 cable. couples with some 3MP cameras you'll be getting a much better resolution than d1 analogue recorders. some hikvision 4 channel family version network recorder is about 150 and cameras 50ish each + hard drive + outdoor cat 5e cable.
a little more than budget but decent system, good connectivity to phone/tablets/tv

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mrwhitelabel

have you considered a HD IP system with Poe. that's for power over … have you considered a HD IP system with Poe. that's for power over Ethernet and the NVR instead of DVR powers the cameras too so only 1 cable. couples with some 3MP cameras you'll be getting a much better resolution than d1 analogue recorders. some hikvision 4 channel family version network recorder is about 150 and cameras 50ish each + hard drive + outdoor cat 5e cable. a little more than budget but decent system, good connectivity to phone/tablets/tv



Sounds interesting, don't mind paying slightly more if the results are an improved difference. Where'd the best place to get the whole system (like they do on eBay) also is it ask just plug and play as I've heard and read about some horror stories trying to setup IP cameras :-P

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Stupid phone should be 'just' not 'ask' :-P

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Just found this, yes it's from China but I'd this the kind of setup your talking about?

pages.ebay.com/lin…web

So would the video quality be much better and would there be a lot more functions available etc compared to the 1000vtl systems?

Cheers

steevieboy4u

Just found this, yes it's from China but I'd this the kind of setup your … Just found this, yes it's from China but I'd this the kind of setup your talking about?http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=281403438144&alt=web So would the video quality be much better and would there be a lot more functions available etc compared to the 1000vtl systems?Cheers



yup thats the kind of set up, though obviously you get what you pay for in terms of product

for true savings aliexpress in china from various sellers would be the best option, but you can package something together with them and see if they do a deal. If they ship dhl, then there may be a handling customs fee (£18 i think) on top but you get it fairly quickly.


for comparison
VIMESUK posted some comparitive real photos from their set up on analogue vs hd
quality speaks for itself. imagine dark lighting, and trying to make out someone in the first vs the 2nd image.
Some older analgoue high TVL systems are good pictures during the day when clear but can struggle at night and on dark days without additional lighting
http://files.upit.me/1413717622.jpg

http://files.upit.me/1413739651.jpg

Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 20th Oct 2014

mrwhitelabel

yup thats the kind of set up, though obviously you get what you pay for … yup thats the kind of set up, though obviously you get what you pay for in terms of productfor true savings aliexpress in china from various sellers would be the best option, but you can package something together with them and see if they do a deal. If they ship dhl, then there may be a handling customs fee (£18 i think) on top but you get it fairly quickly.for comparisonVIMESUK posted some comparitive real photos from their set up on analogue vs hdquality speaks for itself



You can definitely make out more cars in the HD set up.

On a serious note watching this thread for a similar set up so thanks for posting as I am reading with interest and learning lots.

as a package something like this
NVR
aliexpress.com/sto…tml (Approx £116.81 +/- currency conversion)
+ 4 cameras package :
aliexpress.com/sto…tml (approx £224.04 +/- currency conversion)

And youve a not bad set up for £340.85, ask nicely and you may get a reduced postage discount from them on the nvr

HiKvision are pretty much plug and play
for remote viewing outside of your home nework (via 3g/4g/internet else where) it will be dependant on the port forwarding set up on your router, some eg BT, can be more of a pain than others to set up, but internally should sync straight up once plugged in.

On that NVR you are limited to 4 cameras hence its low cost so you couldnt add more to it if you wanted more cameras at a later stage, but 8, 16 and 32 camera options are available. Make sure when comparing models that all Ports are POE. Some offer 8 channels but only 4 are POE for example, so you would have to externally power the other 4 directly. A full POE port system is best though baluns can be used


An 8 camera NVR is currently £110+ shopping = £160.07 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2014-Hikvision-NVR-8CH-Plug-Play-8CH-PoE-Up-to-5MP-Onvif-Family-level-Network-video/638300_2052102779.html
These are the "family level" as they call them, - domestic so have less "smart functions" but there are "project level" ones, which offer higher end functionality but aimed more at the commercial market.

you will have to factor some other costs too regardless of set up unless its includes EVERYTHING, such as

HD drive. WD purples & greens get good recommendations, nvr can take 4Tb max I believe

cat5e cable
must be outdoor rated, but cheap enough on ebay, either premade up in lengths (max length can be 100m)

10m £3.86 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-10-METRE-/12145567100

25m £9.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-25-METRE-/111481438826

50m £15.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-50-METRE-/121455671015

even cheaper if you buy a big roll and know how to crimp on rj45 plugs yourself (easier to push through holes in the wall and then crimp too)
305m £35.99 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305m-1000ft-Cat-5e-CCA-OUTDOOR-USE-Network-Cable-External-BLACK-Reel-Box-/29117274738

Junction box
While the cameras and the cable is IP weather rated, the plugs rarely are (not just on ip camerabut all camera ) so its good practise to fit a ip rated little junction box next to them too if the connection is outdoors and make the connection in there @ approx £3 each



you can get "ready made" kits
but you generally pay less yes, but for less quality kit too
this comes in around your budget,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Funlux-4CH-Network-NVR-720P-HD-PoE-Outdoor-IP-CCTV-Surveillance-Camera-System-/380952208661

and if budget it tight, then ready made kits can be ok, but you get what you pay for in terms of quality eg the above has no HDMI out only VGA.


you can of course buy these in the UK if you really want both on ebay and retail stores branded as HIKVISION but may be older 2013 models such as
ebay.co.uk/itm…838 £210
and £110 per camera
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD2032-I-3MP-HD-1080P-IR-PoE-Indoor-Outdoor-CCTV-Network-IP-Camera-/151394193332

or rebranded and slightly altered as swann from costco for example costco.co.uk/vie…090
£699.99 for a 4 x 1MP camera (vs the 3mp in the links above) setup with cables and 1tb HD,

but you pay the considerable mark up accordingly for buying from a uk seller.

hope this helps






Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 20th Oct 2014

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mrwhitelabel

as a package something like … as a package something like thisNVRhttp://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2014-Hikvision-NVR-4CH-Plug-Play-4CH-PoE-Up-to-5MP-Onvif-Family-level-Network-video/638300_2052098283.html (Approx £116.81 +/- currency conversion)+ 4 cameras package :http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/low-price-2013-Hikvision-Original-infrared-gun-waterproof-network-camera-DS-2CD2032-I-3MP-IR-ip/638300_1560176388.html (approx £224.04 +/- currency conversion)And youve a not bad set up for £340.85, ask nicely and you may get a reduced postage discount from them on the nvrHiKvision are pretty much plug and playfor remote viewing outside of your home nework (via 3g/4g/internet else where) it will be dependant on the port forwarding set up on your router, some eg BT, can be more of a pain than others to set up, but internally should sync straight up once plugged in.On that NVR you are limited to 4 cameras hence its low cost so you couldnt add more to it if you wanted more cameras at a later stage, but 8, 16 and 32 camera options are available. Make sure when comparing models that all Ports are POE. Some offer 8 channels but only 4 are POE for example, so you would have to externally power the other 4 directly. A full POE port system is best though baluns can be usedAn 8 camera NVR is currently £110+ shopping = £160.07 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2014-Hikvision-NVR-8CH-Plug-Play-8CH-PoE-Up-to-5MP-Onvif-Family-level-Network-video/638300_2052102779.htmlThese are the "family level" as they call them, - domestic so have less "smart functions" but there are "project level" ones, which offer higher end functionality but aimed more at the commercial market.you will have to factor some other costs too regardless of set up unless its includes EVERYTHING, such as HD drive. WD purples & greens get good recommendations, nvr can take 4Tb max I believecat5e cablemust be outdoor rated, but cheap enough on ebay, either premade up in lengths (max length can be 100m)10m £3.86 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-10-METRE-/1214556710025m £9.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-25-METRE-/11148143882650m £15.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-50-METRE-/121455671015even cheaper if you buy a big roll and know how to crimp on rj45 plugs yourself (easier to push through holes in the wall and then crimp too)305m £35.99 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305m-1000ft-Cat-5e-CCA-OUTDOOR-USE-Network-Cable-External-BLACK-Reel-Box-/29117274738Junction boxWhile the cameras and the cable is IP weather rated, the plugs rarely are (not just on ip camerabut all camera ) so its good practise to fit a ip rated little junction box next to them too if the connection is outdoors and make the connection in there @ approx £3 eachyou can get "ready made" kitsbut you generally pay less yes, but for less quality kit toothis comes in around your budget, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Funlux-4CH-Network-NVR-720P-HD-PoE-Outdoor-IP-CCTV-Surveillance-Camera-System-/380952208661and if budget it tight, then ready made kits can be ok, but you get what you pay for in terms of quality eg the above has no HDMI out only VGA. you can of course buy these in the UK if you really want both on ebay and retail stores branded as HIKVISION but may be older 2013 models such as http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvision-DS7604N-4CH-NVR-with-4x-PoE-4-Channel-UK-STOCK-/271635067838 £210and £110 per camera http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD2032-I-3MP-HD-1080P-IR-PoE-Indoor-Outdoor-CCTV-Network-IP-Camera-/151394193332or rebranded and slightly altered as swann from costco for example http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk_catalog/cos_10,cos_10.7,cos_1.9.1/162090 £699.99 for a 4 x 1MP camera (vs the 3mp in the links above) setup with cables and 1tb HD, but you pay the considerable mark up accordingly for buying from a uk seller.hope this helps



Thankyou for the detailed response, very helpful indeed.

Have you got this kind of thing already setup? Would be good to see some photos of other people's setups and the things to look out for or avoid doing when going ahead with it.


My apartment doesnt have a cctv system I can access but im installating a similar set up that I posted to my parents house when it arrives, and just passing on the details Ive picked up on the way. Ive done analgoue and wireless cctv there before but there was too much interference so this is what Ive opted for them to have.

Here are some other peoples pics of the hikvision camera fay and night for comparison, from a cctv forum

http://s10.postimg.org/qzpf0dr94/Hik_3_MP_Day2.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/kn47ljzdm/Hik_3_MP_Night2.jpg

(On this one the focus isnt set up by the user quite right, as you can get better focus than that)
http://s3.postimg.org/m3onrtpf6/Front_Front_Camera1_20140603190355_6179476.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/uzzozd7p0/Front_Front_Camera1_20140602215104_1332653.jpg

Camera lens is a consideration too, check the specs, you normally have to request a particular one if you dont want the standard, dependant on your needs. this gives a good example of the differences
http://s24.postimg.org/o61zexihh/lens_guide.jpg

icode.co.uk/ica…htm

mrwhitelabel

[quote=steevieboy4u] Just found this,



Woah, You the man cheers for that.

I got the hikvision 3032-i camera and set it up with my NAS (synology DS415play - amazing) didn't have long to play with it but it seems really good, LOTS of people on here recommend it, so do I. I paid £110 for it from amazon because I wanted it delivered fast but I'm going to get another couple from aliexpress or ebay.

I had a chew on setting it up but only because I had no clue what I was doing. got there in the end though


I've also ordered this 8 port gigabit switch 4 port poe after a few recommendations but it's since gone up in price. I paid £60 which is great price for great bit of kit. There's cheaper stuff out there but not as good apparently, won't be gigabit or will be plastic case
amazon.co.uk/gp/…s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

camera...
amazon.co.uk/gp/…s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Here's synologys surveillance station web page, check out their NAS boxes too (network attached storage)
synology.com/en-…6.3

By the way I'm no expert so what I'm suggesting could be complete balls but after quite a lot of research for my own needs, thats what I came up with.

just for fun

check out the zoom (x30 optical) on the PTZ dome camera some guy (not in this country) fitted to his 15th floor balcony...
youtube.com/watch?v=ZHlIf9PZydw

(ps you need an SIA CCTV operators licence to operate one of these in this country, and not allowed to fit to your house either...)

mrwhitelabel

just for funcheck out the zoom (x30 optical) on the PTZ dome camera some … just for funcheck out the zoom (x30 optical) on the PTZ dome camera some guy (not in this country) fitted to his 15th floor balcony...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHlIf9PZydw(ps you need an SIA CCTV operators licence to operate one of these in this country, and not allowed to fit to your house either...)

LOL I want oneof these cameras!

I love the number plate read, and the guard hut check

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mrwhitelabel

just for funcheck out the zoom (x30 optical) on the PTZ dome camera some … just for funcheck out the zoom (x30 optical) on the PTZ dome camera some guy (not in this country) fitted to his 15th floor balcony...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHlIf9PZydw(ps you need an SIA CCTV operators licence to operate one of these in this country, and not allowed to fit to your house either...)



Wow :-)

Some good answers on here

Original Poster

mrwhitelabel

as a package something like … as a package something like thisNVRhttp://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2014-Hikvision-NVR-4CH-Plug-Play-4CH-PoE-Up-to-5MP-Onvif-Family-level-Network-video/638300_2052098283.html (Approx £116.81 +/- currency conversion)+ 4 cameras package :http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/low-price-2013-Hikvision-Original-infrared-gun-waterproof-network-camera-DS-2CD2032-I-3MP-IR-ip/638300_1560176388.html (approx £224.04 +/- currency conversion)And youve a not bad set up for £340.85, ask nicely and you may get a reduced postage discount from them on the nvrHiKvision are pretty much plug and playfor remote viewing outside of your home nework (via 3g/4g/internet else where) it will be dependant on the port forwarding set up on your router, some eg BT, can be more of a pain than others to set up, but internally should sync straight up once plugged in.On that NVR you are limited to 4 cameras hence its low cost so you couldnt add more to it if you wanted more cameras at a later stage, but 8, 16 and 32 camera options are available. Make sure when comparing models that all Ports are POE. Some offer 8 channels but only 4 are POE for example, so you would have to externally power the other 4 directly. A full POE port system is best though baluns can be usedAn 8 camera NVR is currently £110+ shopping = £160.07 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2014-Hikvision-NVR-8CH-Plug-Play-8CH-PoE-Up-to-5MP-Onvif-Family-level-Network-video/638300_2052102779.htmlThese are the "family level" as they call them, - domestic so have less "smart functions" but there are "project level" ones, which offer higher end functionality but aimed more at the commercial market.you will have to factor some other costs too regardless of set up unless its includes EVERYTHING, such as HD drive. WD purples & greens get good recommendations, nvr can take 4Tb max I believecat5e cablemust be outdoor rated, but cheap enough on ebay, either premade up in lengths (max length can be 100m)10m £3.86 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-10-METRE-/1214556710025m £9.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-25-METRE-/11148143882650m £15.98 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50m-OUTDOOR-USE-cat5e-Ethernet-Network-Cable-PVC-Lined-External-BLACK-50-METRE-/121455671015even cheaper if you buy a big roll and know how to crimp on rj45 plugs yourself (easier to push through holes in the wall and then crimp too)305m £35.99 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305m-1000ft-Cat-5e-CCA-OUTDOOR-USE-Network-Cable-External-BLACK-Reel-Box-/29117274738Junction boxWhile the cameras and the cable is IP weather rated, the plugs rarely are (not just on ip camerabut all camera ) so its good practise to fit a ip rated little junction box next to them too if the connection is outdoors and make the connection in there @ approx £3 eachyou can get "ready made" kitsbut you generally pay less yes, but for less quality kit toothis comes in around your budget, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Funlux-4CH-Network-NVR-720P-HD-PoE-Outdoor-IP-CCTV-Surveillance-Camera-System-/380952208661and if budget it tight, then ready made kits can be ok, but you get what you pay for in terms of quality eg the above has no HDMI out only VGA. you can of course buy these in the UK if you really want both on ebay and retail stores branded as HIKVISION but may be older 2013 models such as http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvision-DS7604N-4CH-NVR-with-4x-PoE-4-Channel-UK-STOCK-/271635067838 £210and £110 per camera http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD2032-I-3MP-HD-1080P-IR-PoE-Indoor-Outdoor-CCTV-Network-IP-Camera-/151394193332or rebranded and slightly altered as swann from costco for example http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk_catalog/cos_10,cos_10.7,cos_1.9.1/162090 £699.99 for a 4 x 1MP camera (vs the 3mp in the links above) setup with cables and 1tb HD, but you pay the considerable mark up accordingly for buying from a uk seller.hope this helps



Hello mate,

Thanks for your detailed reply to this thread I started, I’m sure a lot of people have found it very useful and will do in the future.

I've just seen this system and wondered what you thought?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Halloween-SALE-4CH-CCTV-NVR-Recorder-960P-IP-Camera-1080P-HDMI-Security-System-/171512315153?pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item27eeee3d11

This system has HDMI so assuming I’d get better playback quality when viewing the recorded video?

Yes I know it’s from Poland (possibly made in China) but according to their advert it is Euro stock so I shouldn't get hammered with import tax? Just wondered if you'd heard of the make........ Onvif? :-P

My biggest concerning is connecting it all up and getting these types of systems to work? I understand the POE systems are better as then there's no need for the extra power supply for the cameras but are these types of system also just plug and play? i.e. plug the NVR into the mains, and then connect the cameras and the router to the NVR and your good to go? Or do you have to mess around with Port Forwarding etc?

Also do the NVR's all come with the required software for playing back the video and come with features like movement detection to save recording hours upon hours of no movement as I'm guessing this would be a very useful feature for locating things that need to be viewed?

Cheers

steevieboy4u

Hello mate,Thanks for your detailed reply to this thread I started, I’m s … Hello mate,Thanks for your detailed reply to this thread I started, I’m sure a lot of people have found it very useful and will do in the future.I've just seen this system and wondered what you thought?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Halloween-SALE-4CH-CCTV-NVR-Recorder-960P-IP-Camera-1080P-HDMI-Security-System-/171512315153?pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item27eeee3d11This system has HDMI so assuming I’d get better playback quality when viewing the recorded video? Yes I know it’s from Poland (possibly made in China) but according to their advert it is Euro stock so I shouldn't get hammered with import tax? Just wondered if you'd heard of the make........ Onvif? :-PMy biggest concerning is connecting it all up and getting these types of systems to work? I understand the POE systems are better as then there's no need for the extra power supply for the cameras but are these types of system also just plug and play? i.e. plug the NVR into the mains, and then connect the cameras and the router to the NVR and your good to go? Or do you have to mess around with Port Forwarding etc?Also do the NVR's all come with the required software for playing back the video and come with features like movement detection to save recording hours upon hours of no movement as I'm guessing this would be a very useful feature for locating things that need to be viewed?Cheers


Ill look through and respond in detail, first thing that jumped at me is ONVIF is not a brand its a set of agreed standard specifications by IP camera manufacturers that allow them to work with each others systems a bit like mix and match and stands for Open Network Video Interface Forum, started by bosch, sony and axis, in 2008

Edjt : The brand is chinese, and a no name while the cameras are ouka, a whitelabel brand (not one of mine ) sold by various others. Its 1 MP camera, and says 720p .

Its a plug and play system, in that you connect them to the nvr and they all sync with it themselves.
It says it has remote access with a simple qr code scan on your phone. I believe this is only devices on the same home wifi network, eg phone or tablet . Whether that allows external network viewing i doubt it, with out port forward on your router being setup.

Yes this and most nvrs have motion detection, so you can select areas to ignore or focus on , or you can continuously record, on schedule particular times eg at night only.

Nvr will have built in interface to allow configuring the system and view / extract recordings to usb


So concerns about this system

It is made in unknown factory with no details or quality control

Their older systems dont get great reviews on amazon
Eg http://www.amazon.com/Ouku-Security-Surveillance-Outdoor-Cameras/product-reviews/B009VDPTLM

The user guide is not great apparently

The user software is badly written and difficult to use

While it says playback of 1 image is 720p, the realtime viewing of 4 cameras is 20p.... Suggests limited bandwidth control

The nVR is recording to a hard drive, possibly contiously, yet it has no fan just a grid heat extract. This could lead to overheating killing the drive , the motherboard or both

The seller is misleading in the titles by putting 1080p when it does not have this function

Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 25th Oct 2014

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mrwhitelabel

Ill look through and respond in detail, first thing that jumped at me is … Ill look through and respond in detail, first thing that jumped at me is ONVIF is not a brand its a set of agreed standard specifications by IP camera manufacturers that allow them to work with each others systems a bit like mix and match and stands for Open Network Video Interface Forum, started by bosch, sony and axis, in 2008Edjt : The brand is chinese, and a no name while the cameras are ouka, a whitelabel brand (not one of mine ) sold by various others. Its 1 MP camera, and says 720p .Its a plug and play system, in that you connect them to the nvr and they all sync with it themselves.It says it has remote access with a simple qr code scan on your phone. I believe this is only devices on the same home wifi network, eg phone or tablet . Whether that allows external network viewing i doubt it, with out port forward on your router being setup.Yes this and most nvrs have motion detection, so you can select areas to ignore or focus on , or you can continuously record, on schedule particular times eg at night only.Nvr will have built in interface to allow configuring the system and view / extract recordings to usbSo concerns about this systemIt is made in unknown factory with no details or quality controlTheir older systems dont get great reviews on amazonEg http://www.amazon.com/Ouku-Security-Surveillance-Outdoor-Cameras/product-reviews/B009VDPTLMThe user guide is not great apparentlyThe user software is badly written and difficult to useWhile it says playback of 1 image is 720p, the realtime viewing of 4 cameras is 20p.... Suggests limited bandwidth controlThe nVR is recording to a hard drive, possibly contiously, yet it has no fan just a grid heat extract. This could lead to overheating killing the drive , the motherboard or bothThe seller is misleading in the titles by putting 1080p when it does not have this function



Think i'll give it a miss then Cheers

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I do like the look of the system you suggested:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380952208661?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It just concerns me about it not having the HDMI and its only 720p rather than 1080p

I agree id want a hd nvr with a hdmi outout too as minimum
But i wouldnt worry too much about 720p vs 1080p on your budget and domestic needs

Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 25th Oct 2014

I have 4 ip cameras, and are running with a decent software program which gives me video and photos of any movement in close vicinity. The videos and photos are stored on a NAS box, and I view them each day or less , depending on the situation.

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mrwhitelabel

I agree id want a hd nvr with a hdmi outout too as minimum



I'll keep looking, if you don't mind giving your opinion as and when i see anything?

If you also see anything whilst going about your daily browsing (don't go out of your way and spend your own time just looking for me though) i'd appreciate it if you could put it on here

Thanks again

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steevieboy4u

I'll keep looking, if you don't mind giving your opinion as and when i … I'll keep looking, if you don't mind giving your opinion as and when i see anything?If you also see anything whilst going about your daily browsing (don't go out of your way and spend your own time just looking for me though) i'd appreciate it if you could put it on here :)Thanks again



What system have you actually got and was each item bought seperately or as a package?

Cameras :
Hikvision DS-2CD2032-I V 5.2.0 Multi language mini bullet cameras x 3

http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7326

Hikvision DS-2CD2132-I mini dome x1
http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7330

NVR
Hikvision DS-7608NI-SE/P 8 channel NVR POE Project level X 1
http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7294


Not as a apacakage as im doing cable lengths myself longer than places usually provide. So Seperately but from one seller

Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 25th Oct 2014

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mrwhitelabel

Cameras : Hikvision DS-2CD2032-I V 5.2.0 Multi language mini bullet … Cameras : Hikvision DS-2CD2032-I V 5.2.0 Multi language mini bullet cameras x 3http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7326Hikvision DS-2CD2132-I mini dome x1http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7330NVRHikvision DS-7608NI-SE/P 8 channel NVR POE Project level X 1http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_show.asp?id=7294Not as a apacakage as im doing cable lengths myself longer than places usually provide. So Seperately but from one seller



mrwhitelabel do you install CCTV for a living then, as your very knowledgeable?

steevieboy4u

mrwhitelabel do you install CCTV for a living then, as your very … mrwhitelabel do you install CCTV for a living then, as your very knowledgeable?


No not at all, ive installed a few over past 8 years for family but have worked with some systems in the past . i just fully research areas i need to before investing time and money installing some thing i later regret, having learnt from past mistakes and keepjng up with newer technology, and just passing that on here.

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mrwhitelabel

No not at all, ive installed a few over past 8 years for family but have … No not at all, ive installed a few over past 8 years for family but have worked with some systems in the past . i just fully research areas i need to before investing time and money installing some thing i later regret, having learnt from past mistakes and keepjng up with newer technology, and just passing that on here.



And its appreciated

Yeah the Hikvision stuff is really popular it seems. Although with HD over Coax you don't need to go to the expense of IP necessarily. CCTV Kits do a lot of good stuff including HD-CVI/TVI which is better then HD-SDI. This is a bargain 720p deal: Your text here

amdowney, do you know if this is a good kit? I need facial recognition at night at about 10 meters, car has been vandalised twice!!

It will be better than any analogue kit based on TV (TV lines, all equivalent to under 1mp) as is a higher resolution at 1 megapixel. 2mp would be best though (1080p). Checkout the HD-TVI offerings from Hikvision

Stevieboy - what did you go with in the end???

I have had someone go into to my car twice now so i am looking for a cctv system. I am assuming the above links are still good and that we havent discovered anything spectacular in the last 7 months?

Ta

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nomez

Stevieboy - what did you go with in the end???I have had someone go into … Stevieboy - what did you go with in the end???I have had someone go into to my car twice now so i am looking for a cctv system. I am assuming the above links are still good and that we havent discovered anything spectacular in the last 7 months?Ta



Hi nomez, i'm afraid i've not even got one myself yet, i did a lot of research at the time but didn't want to buy a system to just have it sat in the box until i got the chance to install it.

I was going to get the Hikvision setup mentioned in #30

I'm sure there's not been much change in the market since this thread was started.

Essentially this bundle cctvkits.co.uk/hd-…it/ perhaps lower pricing since then...

steevieboy4u

Hi nomez, i'm afraid i've not even got one myself yet, i did a lot of … Hi nomez, i'm afraid i've not even got one myself yet, i did a lot of research at the time but didn't want to buy a system to just have it sat in the box until i got the chance to install it.I was going to get the Hikvision setup mentioned in #30I'm sure there's not been much change in the market since this thread was started.



Thanks for replying.

Has anyone experienced the delivery time from Ali Express? Its quotes 60days and that's a might long time!
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