How will not reporting shoplifters stop shoplifting?

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Found 22nd Jul 2010
ok, so daily mail new story, but even so. Retailers are being told not to report shoplifters if they have stolen under £20's worth of goods. The police claim this will work better in the long term.
Like WTF?
This must be the craziest idea I've heard this week.

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Clicky

Police have been slammed for telling shopkeepers not to report … Police have been slammed for telling shopkeepers not to report shoplifters if less than £20 of goods have been stolen.The trial scheme urging retailers to note details of crimes in a log book instead of dialling 999 is being presented by Humberside Police as a crime prevention initiative.It could be weeks before a community support officer visits to read the 'reporting diary' detailing theft incidents.However, police chiefs claim the policy will reduce thefts in the long term by enabling them to 'build a stronger case' against the worst offenders and impose anti-social behaviour orders to keep them out of shops they target.





The trial scheme urging retailers to note details of crimes in a log book … The trial scheme urging retailers to note details of crimes in a log book instead of dialling 999



I kind of agree if it was only a choice of doing one or the other. Theft from a shop hardly warrants a 999 call.

Because if they keep it in a log book, and then present it in say 2 months, it might show the same offender stealing multiple times, hence will receive a stronger sentence rather than if you call the police the first time if he just steals a bag of crisps.

agree with midlands

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yeah, i don't know a single retailer round here who dials 999 for a shoplifter unless he/she is being violent

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Seems fair to me. Let the police focus on more important things.

colinsunderland

yeah, i don't know a single retailer round here who dials 999 for a … yeah, i don't know a single retailer round here who dials 999 for a shoplifter unless he/she is being violent



then what is he point of the thread? You're contradicting yourself lul

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because they might get a decent sentence or punishment instead of a slap on the wrist like usual

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GentleTouch

then what is he point of the thread? You're contradicting yourself lul



Sorry I didn't realise the only way to speak to the police was to dial 999.

So I have a shop. I see someone stealing. I let him go and write in a log book - guy wearing black jacket stole something at 1.15. 3 weeks later a copper comes and reads it, how exactly does that help get someone in court?

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colinsunderland

Sorry I didn't realise the only way to speak to the police was to dial … Sorry I didn't realise the only way to speak to the police was to dial 999.So I have a shop. I see someone stealing. I let him go and write in a log book - guy wearing black jacket stole something at 1.15. 3 weeks later a copper comes and reads it, how exactly does that help get someone in court?



CCTV??

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Babbabooey

Because if they keep it in a log book, and then present it in say 2 … Because if they keep it in a log book, and then present it in say 2 months, it might show the same offender stealing multiple times, hence will receive a stronger sentence rather than if you call the police the first time if he just steals a bag of crisps.



no what will happen is, the defence will say 'he had a drug problem which is why so many offences were carried out in a short space of time. This is now being dealt with.' The court will then give a DTO or £50 for all the offences together, rather than seeing a massive list of previous and giving a jail term.

Plus if someone knows they aren't going to get arrested, even if they get caught, its hardly a deterrant.

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master_chief

CCTV??



Most small retailers don't have cctv of the quality or standard required to use as evidence

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colinsunderland

Most small retailers don't have cctv of the quality or standard required … Most small retailers don't have cctv of the quality or standard required to use as evidence



So how they ever going to prove it anyway??

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master_chief

So how they ever going to prove it anyway??



same way they do now?
Catch someone in act, detain them, call police.

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colinsunderland

same way they do now?Catch someone in act, detain them, call police.



Not really the best practice for leading to successful prosecution these days anyway.

Simple investment in a cheap digital camera should solve the problem for retailers without CCTV.

Right, Im off for a bit of 5 finger discount. As long as I do it once in each shop Im fine. Thanks for the heads up!

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splatsplatsplat

Right, Im off for a bit of 5 finger discount. As long as I do it once in … Right, Im off for a bit of 5 finger discount. As long as I do it once in each shop Im fine. Thanks for the heads up!



I was thinking along the same lines, not for myself mind. All the thieves round these parts will only be stealing items with a total value of less than £20 each time.

Simple investment in a cheap digital camera should solve the problem for retailers without CCTV.

A nice theory but what about the 'rights' or the person who's been shoplifting and had his picture taken without his knowledge? Whilst invigilating exams the other year I had constant problems with young horrors shouting outside the room and banging on the door so I took a picture of the worst trouble-makers. I was promptly hauled over the coals as apparently it 'infringed their rights'.!!
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