Hurricane Irma -am I heartless?

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Found 12th Sep 2017
British Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos.
beautiful, tropical, Caribbean islands. Warm sands and crystal clear waters. Year round warmth and forever sunshine.

As a travel fanatic, rarely have I ever seen holidays, deals or offers to these beautiful BRITISH destinations. Yet many deals are offered to places further away such as Costa Rica, Mexico, Cuba and Florida etc.

Why doesn't these beautiful BRITISH colonies offer us
a) More holidays there.
b) offer it at a reduce price.

these hurricane blighted British tropical islands have stressed how it's TOURISM that brings in the island revenue. If they could attract the BRITISH POUND away from Thailand,Mexico, Spain etc they could rebuild in no time.

Seems to me these British island governors are only British in times of need. Thereafter they don't want us British tourists.
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Wow you just beat me to the Master Troll of HUKD award.
Derek_Horatio_Shatwell10 m ago

I totally agree OP.We get rain and wind all year, but when they get the …I totally agree OP.We get rain and wind all year, but when they get the equivalent of all that rain and wind in a few days.They just complain.


Plus they're all incredibly rich.
I saw one guy complaining about being left with nothing, yet he had three luxury yachts in his back garden.
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Wow you just beat me to the Master Troll of HUKD award.
What.
It is much too early in the day to be this drunk.
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Edited by: "Predikuesi" 12th Sep 2017
I totally agree OP.
We get rain and wind all year, but when they get the equivalent of all that rain and wind in a few days.
They just complain.

Derek_Horatio_Shatwell10 m ago

I totally agree OP.We get rain and wind all year, but when they get the …I totally agree OP.We get rain and wind all year, but when they get the equivalent of all that rain and wind in a few days.They just complain.


Plus they're all incredibly rich.
I saw one guy complaining about being left with nothing, yet he had three luxury yachts in his back garden.
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fivegoldstars1 m ago

Plus they're all incredibly rich.I saw one guy complaining about being …Plus they're all incredibly rich.I saw one guy complaining about being left with nothing, yet he had three luxury yachts in his back garden.

Maybe they'd blown in from his neighbours garden?
The answer to your question is that they do do tourism - but only for the super rich , the yachting (and I don't mean dinghys! ) set etc . These super rich flee like the lazy cowards they are when hurricane season approaches and return only when it is safe to do so .

Your unasked question "Why does such an apparently rich place require aid " ?
Answer because the rich flee the islands leaving behind the poverty stricken native islanders (the cleaners, waiters , barmen , boathands etc ) to fend for themselves .
Edited by: "rogparki" 12th Sep 2017
The governments are to quick selling the land to rich private owners-huge one off profit, then nothing.

personally I'd sell it to huge hotel companies -huge one off profit, plus future revenue generation and tax income from tourists etc. this money go further develop infrastructure etc

give de man a fish ....feed him for a day
teach de man to fish ...... Feed him for a lifetime
deleted80034212th Sep 2017

Maybe they'd blown in from his neighbours garden?



That is the joke...
rogparki11 m ago

The answer to your question is that they do do tourism - but only for the …The answer to your question is that they do do tourism - but only for the super rich , the yachting (and I don't mean dinghys! ) set etc . These super rich flee like the lazy cowards they are when hurricane season approaches and return only when it is safe to do so . Your unasked question "Why does such an apparently rich place require aid " ?Answer because the rich flee the islands leaving behind the poverty stricken native islanders (the cleaners waiters , barmen , boathands etc ) to fend for themselves .



3/5 OP was better.
rogparki1 h, 26 m ago

The answer to your question is that they do do tourism - but only for the …The answer to your question is that they do do tourism - but only for the super rich , the yachting (and I don't mean dinghys! ) set etc . These super rich flee like the lazy cowards they are when hurricane season approaches and return only when it is safe to do so . Your unasked question "Why does such an apparently rich place require aid " ?Answer because the rich flee the islands leaving behind the poverty stricken native islanders (the cleaners, waiters , barmen , boathands etc ) to fend for themselves .

You would expect rich tourists not to flee an incoming hurricane...would you stay?
davewave51 m ago

You would expect rich tourists not to flee an incoming hurricane...would …You would expect rich tourists not to flee an incoming hurricane...would you stay?



Of course he would stay, he isn't lazy...
This is a devastating tragedy with huge long-term challenges for the local population. I imagine there is nothing but sympathy for what they have, and will, face. Amongst the overwhelming majority who are coming to terms with the aftermath, and starting to try to plan a future, there has of course been a predictably vocal minority. A really tiny minority, given a voice by willing international news providers. Their views are welcome on the airwaves, along with their outrage that Theresa May has not cleared her diary, walked and talked with the local residents, and used the magical powers afforded to our Prime Ministers to put everything right before the next 6pm bulletin.
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Cr0m56 m ago

Keep posting so we can keep mocking please

If that's what makes you happy.
adam21162 h, 58 m ago

The governments are to quick selling the land to rich private owners-huge …The governments are to quick selling the land to rich private owners-huge one off profit, then nothing.personally I'd sell it to huge hotel companies -huge one off profit, plus future revenue generation and tax income from tourists etc. this money go further develop infrastructure etcgive de man a fish ....feed him for a dayteach de man to fish ...... Feed him for a lifetime




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“People are concerned, there is a general sense that [the British Virgin Islands] is British government territory and therefore the British will handle it,” said Khin-Sandi Lwin, who is leading Unicef’s response in the Caribbean.

“So we haven’t been able to raise the funds from other governments at the moment. This is where I do think we need a much bigger international response to the funding that’s needed."
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These are treasure islands for treasure.
Not really sure what your rant is about OP
The UK response to the disaster has been pathetic even in our 'own' territories
"it would not even pay to rebuild one school,”
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compare that to the 750 health workers that the cripplingly poor Cuban government
sent to storm devastated islands before Irma even hit their own
Edited by: "Wongy110" 12th Sep 2017
Basically British overseas means you are not really British,
But French overseas means you are really French,
But Dutch overseas means you are really Dutch.
Another words, French and Dutch are real states for ALL their subjects.
splender6 m ago

Basically British overseas means you are not really British,But French …Basically British overseas means you are not really British,But French overseas means you are really French,But Dutch overseas means you are really Dutch.Another words, French and Dutch are real states for ALL their subjects.



Basically we are all human beings
most people I think you will find feel arguing about 'nationality' when lives and homes have been destroyed absurd and stupid
Wongy1101 h, 31 m ago

Basically we are all human beingsmost people I think you will find feel …Basically we are all human beingsmost people I think you will find feel arguing about 'nationality' when lives and homes have been destroyed absurd and stupid


Nope, the critical point relevant to OP's post is that the islanders do not get the same human treatments, (as highlighted in main TV news ) the French and Dutch islands have far superior treatments from their countries in this disaster as indeed the case for decades if not for centuries. For example, a French department citizen has gold standard human rights as those for a French national in France, such as the French West Indies.
Edited by: "splender" 13th Sep 2017
splender5 h, 53 m ago

Nope, the critical point relevant to OP's post is that the islanders do …Nope, the critical point relevant to OP's post is that the islanders do not get the same human treatments, (as highlighted in main TV news ) the French and Dutch islands have far superior treatments from their countries in this disaster as indeed the case for decades if not for centuries. For example, a French department citizen has gold standard human rights as those for a French national in France, such as the French West Indies.


There are soldiers helping the relief effort from the UK, once you've read the facts about how the UK is helping perhaps stop disparaging the UK relief effort.


Named Operation Ruman, on Friday nearly 300 UK military personnel equipped with aid supplies left the UK to provide immediate relief to people who have seen their homes destroyed.

Departing from RAF Brize Norton, a C17, Voyager and A400M aircraft carried over 200 Royal Marines, as well as Engineers and specialist personnel from all three Services, medical supplies and aid including emergency shelter kits, rations and clean water. Amongst those deployed were the 40 Commando Royal Marines and 3 Commando Brigade.

The aircraft have now landed in Barbados, as part of the UK Joint Taskforce in Barbados. The taskforce will use Barbados as a hub to distribute aid. The C17 continued its journey onto the US Virgin Islands – the island with the only usable runway in the region - with 85 personnel on board.

On Saturday, another C17 left from Brize Norton carrying a Puma helicopter and the UK is planning to send another Puma to the Caribbean tomorrow.

In addition to the arrival of the aircraft, RFA Mounts Bay has also reached the British Virgin Islands, with a Wildcat Helicopter embarked conducting reconnaissance flights and a helicopter to help deliver supplies and aid. Her crew will help with structural repairs and restabilising communication.

The 16 Royal Engineer Commandos, deployed from Mounts Bay, are also providing key support to the British Virgin Islands including to the Governor who has made clear that his priority to restore law and order and to put vital communications are in place. They are also working hard to clear runway, making it serviceable and allowing for further aid to reach the islands.

In addition to the support offered by RFA Mounts Bay in the Caribbean, HMS Ocean was also diverted from her tasking in the Mediterranean to the Caribbean in order to bring the help the islanders get back up on their feet after the hurricanes have passed. HMS Ocean will embark equipment and aid at Gibraltar on passage to the Caribbean on Monday.

Aid has also been supplied from DFID’s disaster response centre at Kemble Airfield in Gloucestershire, including 10,000 UK aid buckets and 5,000 UK solar lanterns. This aid is will reach those in need in the next few days by the quickest and most effective route possible.
davewave3 h, 37 m ago

There are soldiers helping the relief effort from the UK, once you've read …There are soldiers helping the relief effort from the UK, once you've read the facts about how the UK is helping perhaps stop disparaging the UK relief effort.Named Operation Ruman, on Friday nearly 300 UK military personnel equipped with aid supplies left the UK to provide immediate relief to people who have seen their homes destroyed.Departing from RAF Brize Norton, a C17, Voyager and A400M aircraft carried over 200 Royal Marines, as well as Engineers and specialist personnel from all three Services, medical supplies and aid including emergency shelter kits, rations and clean water. Amongst those deployed were the 40 Commando Royal Marines and 3 Commando Brigade.The aircraft have now landed in Barbados, as part of the UK Joint Taskforce in Barbados. The taskforce will use Barbados as a hub to distribute aid. The C17 continued its journey onto the US Virgin Islands – the island with the only usable runway in the region - with 85 personnel on board.On Saturday, another C17 left from Brize Norton carrying a Puma helicopter and the UK is planning to send another Puma to the Caribbean tomorrow.In addition to the arrival of the aircraft, RFA Mounts Bay has also reached the British Virgin Islands, with a Wildcat Helicopter embarked conducting reconnaissance flights and a helicopter to help deliver supplies and aid. Her crew will help with structural repairs and restabilising communication.The 16 Royal Engineer Commandos, deployed from Mounts Bay, are also providing key support to the British Virgin Islands including to the Governor who has made clear that his priority to restore law and order and to put vital communications are in place. They are also working hard to clear runway, making it serviceable and allowing for further aid to reach the islands.In addition to the support offered by RFA Mounts Bay in the Caribbean, HMS Ocean was also diverted from her tasking in the Mediterranean to the Caribbean in order to bring the help the islanders get back up on their feet after the hurricanes have passed. HMS Ocean will embark equipment and aid at Gibraltar on passage to the Caribbean on Monday.Aid has also been supplied from DFID’s disaster response centre at Kemble Airfield in Gloucestershire, including 10,000 UK aid buckets and 5,000 UK solar lanterns. This aid is will reach those in need in the next few days by the quickest and most effective route possible.



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All European governments with territories help, quotes, "Alasdair Pinkerton, a senior lecturer in geography and geopolitics at the Royal Holloway University of London, said Britain's overseas model made it difficult for Britain to respond quickly to crises like Hurricane Irma."
If you looked at the comparative numbers and facts you will find all goverments' help are criticised considering hurricane was well forecast but UK comes under most criticism for speed and quantitative measures for good reasons. Even on the PR side , the French president and Dutch King had already arrived.
Out of interest, do these 'British' overseas territories contribute in any way to the UK economy?
I'd expect us to provide the same level of aid as we would with Haiti, Texas, Florida, etc. At the end of the day these 'territories' don't contribute to UK funds. If anything they detract by being tax havens.

So the tax not being paid can be levied from rich land owners there to pay for cleanup. They can't have all the cake, eat it and not get their hands dirty.

Oh and any aid offered should only be for the indigenous and not super wealthy residents.
Edited by: "Oneday77" 13th Sep 2017
splender21 m ago

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/12/americas/caribbean-irma-europe-macron/index.htmlAll European governments with territories help, quotes, "Alasdair Pinkerton, a senior lecturer in geography and geopolitics at the Royal Holloway University of London, said Britain's overseas model made it difficult for Britain to respond quickly to crises like Hurricane Irma."If you looked at the comparative numbers and facts you will find all goverments' help are criticised considering hurricane was well forecast but UK comes under most criticism for speed and quantitative measures for good reasons. Even on the PR side , the French president and Dutch King had already arrived.

They need the queen or UK PM to arrive? . The people are not bothered by PR stunts like Macron holding the baby with the obligatory white shirt sleeves rolled up...expert UK marines and soldiers and navy personnel arrived which is indisputable...CNN expert expressed an opinion on the news in return for a payment from a news channel.
Edited by: "davewave" 13th Sep 2017
davewave5 m ago

They need the queen or UK PM to arrive? . The people are not bothered by …They need the queen or UK PM to arrive? . The people are not bothered by PR stunts like Macron holding the baby with the obligatory white shirt sleeves rolled up...expert UK marines and soldiers and navy personnel arrived which is indisputable...CNN expert expressed an opinion on the news in return for a payment from a news channel.


The point is even our PR stunt is not as good as their PR stunts, however, we have Johnson arriving....
chocci41 m ago

Out of interest, do these 'British' overseas territories contribute in any …Out of interest, do these 'British' overseas territories contribute in any way to the UK economy?


Allow me to type this again on this thread, they are Britain's treasure islands for those well endowed.
Edited by: "splender" 13th Sep 2017
splender4 m ago

The point is even our PR stunt is not as good as their PR stunts, however, …The point is even our PR stunt is not as good as their PR stunts, however, we have Johnson arriving....


The point is that a paid expert repeated the same opinion as the news channel without any facts.
The facts stand that UK soldiers, marines and navy personnel are on the ground with aid to get things moving. How much have you donated so far btw, given your concern.
davewave11 m ago

The point is that a paid expert repeated the same opinion as the news …The point is that a paid expert repeated the same opinion as the news channel without any facts. The facts stand that UK soldiers, marines and navy personnel are on the ground with aid to get things moving. How much have you donated so far btw, given your concern.



I am not disputing your facts, I am drawing attention to comparative, comparable facts. Off topic from this hurricane, for example, as a wild random one, comparative beauty pageantry, their Miss France is more globally embracing with opportunity to contestants than our Miss UK.
Edited by: "splender" 13th Sep 2017
davewave21 m ago

The point is that a paid expert repeated the same opinion as the news …The point is that a paid expert repeated the same opinion as the news channel without any facts. The facts stand that UK soldiers, marines and navy personnel are on the ground with aid to get things moving. How much have you donated so far btw, given your concern.


Your second point , you are hissing in the purricane right (swap letters)?! How many of us here in MISC in debate sparring are sincere and ethically sound with our private and personal contributions to humanity and to equality?!
splender2 h, 13 m ago

Allow me to type this again on this thread, they are Britain's treasure …Allow me to type this again on this thread, they are Britain's treasure islands for those well endowed.



What's that got to do with my question? Obtuse or what!
splender2 h, 30 m ago

The point is even our PR stunt is not as good as their PR stunts, however, …The point is even our PR stunt is not as good as their PR stunts, however, we have Johnson arriving....



What? Boris?

Good.

He always looks like he spends his life in the middle of hurricanes.
chocci29 m ago

What's that got to do with my question? Obtuse or what!



What was your question, could you expand on a few specifics on what contribute as your, "contribute in any way to the UK economy?"?
These are "treasure islands" and if you ever seen an invitation to an AGM on a yacht, you know what I mean as a major contribution to the UK economy, some may argue the opposite of course, as someone suggested here on this thread, "detriment".
tryn2help19 m ago

What? Boris?Good.He always looks like he spends his life in the middle of …What? Boris?Good.He always looks like he spends his life in the middle of hurricanes.



yep, I am sure Boris would have liked the stunt of having dropped through the eye of the hurricane with Union Jacks but I think he is not as young as he was
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chocci39 m ago

What's that got to do with my question? Obtuse or what!



I think his point is that there are many ways to contribute to an economy.
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