I got an email from Tony Blair

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Found 21st Feb 2007
What a cheek, and he sent out 1.8 million of these, could this be classified as SPAM.


Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.

A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Is it me or does Tony appear to be getting more friendly in the last week or so :thinking: Still a cheek and a liberty, contacting me :x

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I got the same spam email. :giggle: :giggle:

Crazy1

What a cheek, and he sent out 1.8 million of these, could this be … What a cheek, and he sent out 1.8 million of these, could this be classified as SPAM.Is it me or does Tony appear to be getting more friendly in the last week or so :thinking: Still a cheek and a liberty, contacting me :x



Snap :thumbsup:

Snippety snap...spam , spam, eggs n spam

Looks like the usual crap they send out to justify why they are going to do what they want regardless. And to think, someone has been paid an obscene amount of taxpayers money to produce this document. A few years ago, we sent a letter to the transport minister, suggesting that there were more short public info. adverts like they had in Germany, highlighting issues such as the dangers of driving the morning following a drinking binge the night before, adjusting tyre pressure if hooking up a trailer/caravan etc. All we got back from him was leaflets on alcohol abuse, and telling us where else we could pick more info!!....

My Outlook classified it as spam and moved it to spam bin. Seems as it is being quite an appropriate place for this government

lol - checked my junk folder & found this also......

i also found this in my junk mail, where it belongs

Mine was the same in my junk mail, what a long rambling!

Spam? It's the biggest load of hot air I've seen :?

All those words that some spin doctor has typed can be condensed to a few words- We will take more money from you - So there!

Wonder when they will spend as much time on backing alternative fuels, like bio diesel?

What? He sent one to me explaining what a good pillar of society I was, and then had the cheek to ask me how to softmod his Xbox.

Crazy1

What a cheek, and he sent out 1.8 million of these, could this be … What a cheek, and he sent out 1.8 million of these, could this be classified as SPAM.Is it me or does Tony appear to be getting more friendly in the last week or so :thinking: Still a cheek and a liberty, contacting me :x



It made me laugh when I got an email forwarded from a friend encouraging me to fill this in, saying not to worry because it was anonymous and that you only had to give your post code and house number, and it also seems your email address as well!!

I guess you gave him your email address when you registered to fill in the vote, wasn't there an option to opt out of further communication as there usually is, or some conditions stating the info could/would be used for further mailings?

Original Poster

Question: Could this be the largest amount of spam ever sent out? 1.8 million emails, OMG how big is there server?

I thought these replys were sent out to whomever signed the 'anti road toll' petition?

Crazy1

Question: Could this be the largest amount of spam ever sent out? 1.8 … Question: Could this be the largest amount of spam ever sent out? 1.8 million emails, OMG how big is there server?



and what would happen if 1.8 million people replied back to him I wonder ...

I signed the petition but I have not had the email

smcwales

I signed the petition but I have not had the email



by the look of it think yourself lucky lol

PM is already in SPAM :giggle:

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ribble

I thought these replys were sent out to whomever signed the 'anti road … I thought these replys were sent out to whomever signed the 'anti road toll' petition?



I am anti tolling and I did sign it, with a round trip of 170 miles a day to work I cannot afford tolls on top fuel of £12 a day and car tax and car insurance of £400 a year. Even if I was charged 5p a mile that would be an extra £8.50 a day/ £42.50 a week / £2210 a year.

Right I can really see this money going back into the roads. No I can't car share and to use public transport I would have to leave the night before and to do what takes me 75 minutes in a car takes over 3 hours on public transport. Which option would you go for??

Crazy1

No I can't car share and to use public transport I would have to leave … No I can't car share and to use public transport I would have to leave the night before and to do what takes me 75 minutes in a car takes over 3 hours on public transport. Which option would you go for??



Change jobs!

Crazy1

I am anti tolling and I did sign it, with a round trip of 170 miles a day … I am anti tolling and I did sign it, with a round trip of 170 miles a day to work I cannot afford tolls on top fuel of £12 a day and car tax and car insurance of £400 a year. Even if I was charged 5p a mile that would be an extra £8.50 a day/ £42.50 a week / £2210 a year.Right I can really see this money going back into the roads. No I can't car share and to use public transport I would have to leave the night before and to do what takes me 75 minutes in a car takes over 3 hours on public transport. Which option would you go for??



You must be speeding my friend, and that is every day, so add another £60 a day on top of that if you are caught every day. (Well until you lose your license anyway). :whistling:

mine also went straight to junk mail :giggle:

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beerman1

You must be speeding my friend, and that is every day, so add another £60 … You must be speeding my friend, and that is every day, so add another £60 a day on top of that if you are caught every day. (Well until you lose your license anyway). :whistling:



80 miles on the motorway @ 70mph (under speed cameras) and 5 miles @ 30mph = 75 minutes. I don't drive at rush hour times grrrrrr :x

rabbitmoon

What? He sent one to me explaining what a good pillar of society I was, … What? He sent one to me explaining what a good pillar of society I was, and then had the cheek to ask me how to softmod his Xbox.



:w00t: :giggle:

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Like Speed Camera's are about tackling road safety eh?

i was feeling left out till i checked my junk mail, i am very disappointed though i wanted a personal reply

Crazy1

80 miles on the motorway @ 70mph (under speed cameras) and 5 miles @ … 80 miles on the motorway @ 70mph (under speed cameras) and 5 miles @ 30mph = 75 minutes. I don't drive at rush hour times grrrrrr :x



Your car must have excellent brakes and amazing acceleration to go from 0-30mph, 30 - 70mph, 70 - 30mph, and 30-0mph instantaneously;-) And for your 5 miles of local roads not to have any junctions requiring you to slow down must make you very lucky ;-)

Even given that your journey would still take 78.571 minutes!

[@70mph 1 mile is covered in 0.857 minutes therefore 80 miles = 68.571 minutes
@30mph 1 mile is covered in 2 minutes therefore 5 miles = 10 minutes

total time 78.571 minutes approx!]

I'm sure your distances must be wrong.

Yes I'm bored and have a few minutes to kill!!!

Sloth/Mod

erics

and what would happen if 1.8 million people replied back to him I wonder … and what would happen if 1.8 million people replied back to him I wonder ...



Sounds like a good plan :thumbsup: Although he may be to busy kissing George's ass to reply. Maybe they'll pass them on to John Prescott to sort out so he can at least try to justify his wage. :x

erics

Your car must have excellent brakes and amazing acceleration to go from … Your car must have excellent brakes and amazing acceleration to go from 0-30mph, 30 - 70mph, 70 - 30mph, and 30-0mph instantaneously;-) And for your 5 miles of local roads not to have any junctions requiring you to slow down must make you very lucky ;-)Even given that your journey would still take 78.571 minutes![@70mph 1 mile is covered in 0.857 minutes therefore 80 miles = 68.571 minutes@30mph 1 mile is covered in 2 minutes therefore 5 miles = 10 minutestotal time 78.571 minutes approx!]I'm sure your distances must be wrong.Yes I'm bored and have a few minutes to kill!!!



Wow ! You seem to have plenty of spare time erics :giggle:

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erics

Your car must have excellent brakes and amazing acceleration to go from … Your car must have excellent brakes and amazing acceleration to go from 0-30mph, 30 - 70mph, 70 - 30mph, and 30-0mph instantaneously;-) And for your 5 miles of local roads not to have any junctions requiring you to slow down must make you very lucky ;-)Even given that your journey would still take 78.571 minutes![@70mph 1 mile is covered in 0.857 minutes therefore 80 miles = 68.571 minutes @30mph 1 mile is covered in 2 minutes therefore 5 miles = 10 minutes total time 78.571 minutes approx!]I'm sure your distances must be wrong.Yes I'm bored and have a few minutes to kill!!!



HAHA, you're right I am on the 67 mile run at the moment, the long way around is 85 miles. So on the 67 miles I am doing it in 75 minutes. Never had a pull or a flash in 10 years :w00t:

One thing I have noticed is that the speedo in the car is NOT accurate, using a TTG and driving with the needle on 70, the TTG says I am only doing 62/63mph. So I now drive at what my TTG says even passing the blues & twos and not a thing has been said.

I once figured that the speedo was out about 20 years ago when I had to drive to Aberdeen, in the middle of the night and with nothing around me I reset the trip and kept the needle at 70 for one solid hour, and using the BBC time signal at 1 o'clock I checked the mileage from the trip at 2 o'clock and found I had only travelled 64 miles :woot: since getting the TTG I now know that cars speedos are very wrong.

Well spotted :-D

What is a TTG?

Please don't slate me if it obvious, I just can't seem to work it out in my head.

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beerman1

What is a TTG?Please don't slate me if it obvious, I just can't seem to … What is a TTG?Please don't slate me if it obvious, I just can't seem to work it out in my head.


TomTomGo = TTG

tracy013

i was feeling left out till i checked my junk mail, i am very … i was feeling left out till i checked my junk mail, i am very disappointed though i wanted a personal reply


This is Tony and his cronies we are talking about here - this is as personal is he gets...:whistling: :whistling:

Crazy1

TomTomGo = TTG



Cheers. I would never have go it. :thumbsup:

:roll: So glad I never completed the 'give us your details' list - would still like to know who has signed the petition asking the government to go ahead with the charges - as if they needed any encouragement......

Wouldn't mind but have had to use public transport over the last few months, and usually works out more expensive than petrol, even with only one person in the car- certainly not cheap or convenient, and I doubt any of the travel companies will reduce their prices, should any money from this go to them. More likely to go into the government expenses, like the additional 'green tax' for flying. :whistling:

God this really gets my backup There Excuse every time is Public transport God How much time and money can u waste on this! about time he thought about the people Who drive and need to drive to make a Living this goverment wants a kick up the Ar** and wants to listen to the people how long will it be before we SNAP!

Grrr......Instead of keeping on saying 'We will need to improve public transport' Why doesnt he actually do it. Where I live many bus routes have been cancelled and where my mother-in-law lives you can become quite stranded for hours without a car and it isnt a remote village either (nor is ours). Buses are usually really early or really late. The trains are just as bad.

Get something done you ridiculous man before you change anything else.

Plus if the lorries couldnt afford to run our economy would surely grind to a holt.

Grrrrr!! rant over

chuf

God this really gets my backup There Excuse every time is Public … God this really gets my backup There Excuse every time is Public transport God How much time and money can u waste on this! about time he thought about the people Who drive and need to drive to make a Living this goverment wants a kick up the Ar** and wants to listen to the people how long will it be before we SNAP!



So how would you go about reducing congestion in the future if more and more people make more and more road trips?

Invent cost effective flying cars :)...........thats about as likely as them improving public transport(to the standards needed to make it effective)

Jeannie__B

Invent cost effective flying cars :)...........thats about as likely as … Invent cost effective flying cars :)...........thats about as likely as them improving public transport(to the standards needed to make it effective)



If it was possible, then the air would just become congested in popular areas just as the roads are now, so you would be back to square one.

The majority of public transport is provided by private operators, so it isn't directly down to the government to improve the standards. The private operators are not going to invest heavily if they don't have the passengers, and the passengers won't use them until they have invested heavily and proven they have improved. A bit of a catch-22.

May be we should all hop on our bikes - if only the government would make them VAT free!

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Invest in research and development on Teleportation. No congestion at all
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