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I just found two of my fish dead in the aquarium... Bad times.

I had four betta splendens (siamese fighter fish) in my aquarium.
A male and three females, the boy fish was in his element and seemed to adore the three females, always trying to attract them with one of his little bubble nests (to which they all used to respond to).
Yesterday i found that he'd lost all his colour from his fins and body.
Tonight i found one of the females in the same condition.
i transferred them to seperate tanks to try to treat them and sadly within the past three hours they both have died.
Bad times.

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Original Poster

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Betta_splendens02.JPG/800px-Betta_splendens02.JPG

Not mine but the male fish looked just like this

awww thats so sad hunni I'm so sorry x x x

Banned

Did you let the new water stand for 48hrs dude? Might have finished them off with the chlorine.

Banned

where did you place your aquarium?? Fishes lose their colour if left near a DARK corner too long..........

sorry :-( , it looked nice!!

i think it may have been bacteria in the water. Similar thing happened to one of our fish.

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ClarityofMind;6099408

awww thats so sad hunni I'm so sorry x x x



I know, he was quite a character too, would instinctively know when it was feeding time and always used to rest at night in the same section of water fern.

lumoruk;6099425

Did you let the new water stand for 48hrs dude? Might have finished them … Did you let the new water stand for 48hrs dude? Might have finished them off with the chlorine.



Tanks been set up for months now, whenever i did partial water changes i always used de-chlorinator on the fresh stuff.

jjcaho;6099426

where did you place your aquarium?? Fishes lose their colour if left near … where did you place your aquarium?? Fishes lose their colour if left near a DARK corner too long..........



Colour change was overnight, tanks in a good location i think.

could be to do with water change, they products that you last used to clean the tanks or depression ( a reduction in tanks size, or position change)

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Not ready yet;6099456

i think it may have been bacteria in the water. Similar thing happened to … i think it may have been bacteria in the water. Similar thing happened to one of our fish.



yeah i think it might be that too, was so instant though.
Have just put the remaining two in seperate mini tanks and have just changed all the water, rinsed the gravel and the plants, and scrubbed the bogwood. fingers crossed the other two will be fine.

Sad times, fish can be such a joy to keep but it seems these days they are not as resolute as they used to be.
Probably due to all the interbreeding to create new colours etc.

fingers crossed hope the others r fine.

p.s: what about ur filter is it working 100%

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Not ready yet;6099532

fingers crossed hope the others r fine.p.s: what about ur filter is it … fingers crossed hope the others r fine.p.s: what about ur filter is it working 100%



yeah it seems to be working perfectly.

ok gud

What are your water Ammonia, NitrIte & NitrAte readings ?

awww im sorry, lovely looking fish aswell x

ChrisUK;6100123

What are your water Ammonia, NitrIte & NitrAte readings ?



Chris is right - you need to check all of the above and if any are unusual when was the last time you replaced the filters, how old is the Carbon filter etc etc - is the water being oxygenated enough ?

We lost our Si Fighter last week but we think it was normal life span and they dont live very long.
Same colour as yours actually. Blue and Red.
Never bought females, they arnt very pretty are they.

Test the water asap and treat if needs be. Check filter etc is working.

Weve just bought a new tank.. 260 litre one. Came today so were going to run them side by side until water is ready.

pcnutta;6102528

Weve just bought a new tank.. 260 litre one. Came today so were going to … Weve just bought a new tank.. 260 litre one. Came today so were going to run them side by side until water is ready.



Its not the "water" that needs to be ready - its your new filter.

You need to cycle the new filter (using old media from the other tank will speed this procees up considerably)

Original Poster

Water is fine, PH is at correct level, nitrate and nitrite all safe levels.
Third fish died today whilst in quarantine.

Can you state the PPM of the above ?

What do you determine as "safe" ?

Ammonia should be 0ppm
Nitrite should be 0ppm
Nitrate should be

JasonMason;6104751

Water is fine, PH is at correct level, nitrate and nitrite all safe … Water is fine, PH is at correct level, nitrate and nitrite all safe levels.Third fish died today whilst in quarantine.



Oh no - this is sad - we had almost a wipe out a couple of years ago, it really upset us. A couple of hardy fish survived - ones born in the tank, but all the tropicals died.

I hope the 4th one survives - and I hope that you find the cause of the problem - which it obviously is if you lost so many in a short time.

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Butterflies;6110924

Oh no - this is sad - we had almost a wipe out a couple of years ago, it … Oh no - this is sad - we had almost a wipe out a couple of years ago, it really upset us. A couple of hardy fish survived - ones born in the tank, but all the tropicals died.I hope the 4th one survives - and I hope that you find the cause of the problem - which it obviously is if you lost so many in a short time.



Woke up this morning and the fourth fish has also died now, thats it they're all gone now :cry:

ChrisUK;6110813

Can you state the PPM of the above ?What do you determine as "safe" … Can you state the PPM of the above ?What do you determine as "safe" ?Ammonia should be 0ppmNitrite should be 0ppmNitrate should be

Sorry to hear that :-(

Go to pets at home they will test you water for free and tell you where you are going wrong .



Your tank maybe over crowded , to much food . not set up long enough. you don't clean your tank correctly . i am a oata specialist so if you want help just say .

how long you had it set up ?

Did you buy them all together /

how big is your tank ?

How do you clean it ?

when you do clean it do you put tap safe in ?

How much do you feed them ?

how do you clean your filter ?

JasonMason;6099485

yeah i think it might be that too, was so instant though.Have just put … yeah i think it might be that too, was so instant though.Have just put the remaining two in seperate mini tanks and have just changed all the water, rinsed the gravel and the plants, and scrubbed the bogwood. fingers crossed the other two will be fine.



you have just made it worse . never take all the water out .. Should have do 30 % water change. you have now started a brand new tank and killed all the good bacteria. go to a fish shop and buy some filter start . that will help you get good bacteria again. hope you have put tap safe in .

juicyx;6111996

you have just made it worse . never take all the water out .. Should have … you have just made it worse . never take all the water out .. Should have do 30 % water change. you have now started a brand new tank and killed all the good bacteria. go to a fish shop and buy some filter start . that will help you get good bacteria again. hope you have put tap safe in .



Oh dear - more poor advice

There are no issues with changing as much water as you want. The "good bacteria" are all housed within your filter, not your water. As long as you use a dechlorinator on the water before putting it into your tank, your bacteria will be fine (although a 30% change every 7-10 days is recommended to keep your NitrAte levels down) !.

Also, filter start is a load of s***e ! It's meant to contain "good bacteria" to kickstart your cycle - but can you tell me how this bacteria survives without a source of food & not refrigerated on the way to the shop (plus 9/10 no being refrigerated in the actual shop !!).

As stated above - as long as your filter has been FULLY cycled & your water stats are as above - then there is an underlying issue somewhere else

Please listen to ChrisUK his advice is spot on.

DKLS;6112617

Please listen to ChrisUK his advice is spot on.



Cheers mate.

I'm not trying to preach or put people down, but so many people are posting stupid or incorrect advice aagghhhhhh !!

If your really worried, you should join a fish forums, I can reccommend the following as the best by far !

tropicalfish.site5.com/tfc/

depends if he has washed the filter under the tap as that will kill 90%

ChrisUK;6112586

Oh dear - more poor advice :(There are no issues with changing as much … Oh dear - more poor advice :(There are no issues with changing as much water as you want. The "good bacteria" are all housed within your filter, not your water. As long as you use a dechlorinator on the water before putting it into your tank, your bacteria will be fine (although a 30% change every 7-10 days is recommended to keep your NitrAte levels down) !.Also, filter start is a load of s***e ! It's meant to contain "good bacteria" to kickstart your cycle - but can you tell me how this bacteria survives without a source of food & not refrigerated on the way to the shop (plus 9/10 no being refrigerated in the actual shop !!).As stated above - as long as your filter has been FULLY cycled & your water stats are as above - then there is an underlying issue somewhere else

Original Poster

juicyx;6111887

Go to pets at home they will test you water for free and tell you where … Go to pets at home they will test you water for free and tell you where you are going wrong .Your tank maybe over crowded , to much food . not set up long enough. you don't clean your tank correctly . i am a oata specialist so if you want help just say .



Tank was not overcrowded, 4 fish in 110litres.

juicyx;6111930

how long you had it set up ?Did you buy them all together /how big is … how long you had it set up ?Did you buy them all together /how big is your tank ? How do you clean it ?when you do clean it do you put tap safe in ? How much do you feed them ?how do you clean your filter ?



All bought at pets at home at the same time, 3 females and 1 male.
110litres.
I clean it by doing a 10% water change weekly.
yes i use a de-chlorinator.
I feed (well fed would be the correct tense now!) once a day, small pinch of tropical flakes, about three small flakes consumed per fish, anything not eaten after five mins was removed from tank.
I rinse 2 of the filters every 2weeks with the 10% water removed from the tank, the filter that houses the beneficial bacteria was rinsed 6 times a year in a similar fashion.

juicyx;6111996

you have just made it worse . never take all the water out .. Should have … you have just made it worse . never take all the water out .. Should have do 30 % water change. you have now started a brand new tank and killed all the good bacteria. go to a fish shop and buy some filter start . that will help you get good bacteria again. hope you have put tap safe in .



As per the above, when i said i changed the water i did a 50% water change, de-chlorinator was used, filters were rinsed with old water.

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who expired the post?

ChrisUK;6112685

Cheers mate.I'm not trying to preach or put people down, but so many … Cheers mate.I'm not trying to preach or put people down, but so many people are posting stupid or incorrect advice aagghhhhhh !!If your really worried, you should join a fish forums, I can reccommend the following as the best by far !http://www.tropicalfish.site5.com/tfc/



No worries I also find it frustrating just because you can buy a tetra for 40p, doesn't mean that you shouldn't know the husbandry required to keep that animal in top notch condition.

If you wasn't in Liverpool I would swear that you worked in my LFS, who always gives great advice, unlike the goon down the road who informed me that a red tailed catfish was ideal for a community tank. :w00t:

DKLS;6113204

No worries I also find it frustrating just because you can buy a tetra … No worries I also find it frustrating just because you can buy a tetra for 40p, doesn't mean that you shouldn't know the husbandry required to keep that animal in top notch condition.If you wasn't in Liverpool I would swear that you worked in my LFS, who always gives great advice, unlike the goon down the road who informed me that a red tailed catfish was ideal for a community tank. :w00t:



lol, I have learned (through mistakes !) & trusting my LFS......

Where do you go when you need fish meds or to re-stock :whistling:

Pets @ Home should also be avoided giving my past history with them - they are clueless.
The guy was trying to sell a young couple some neon tetra's for thier Angel tank, he wasnt impressed when I queried him & said the Angels would eat them in minutes !!

As I keep african cichlids I go to Tingley Tropicals near Ikea in Leeds and Viscum Water Gardens in Doncaster where they have the specialist knowledge and top notch fish, where they also breed a lot of tehir own stock and carry out proper quarantine procedures for any imported fish.

I buy cat litter from [email protected] and thats it, I would never buy fish from there, even last week when I went and questioned why a dozen plecs was in the same tank as african cichlids I was told I was an idiot as the amazon river is in africa !!!

ChrisUK;6103161

Its not the "water" that needs to be ready - its your new filter.You need … Its not the "water" that needs to be ready - its your new filter.You need to cycle the new filter (using old media from the other tank will speed this procees up considerably)



ohhh i ment filter....

Hes going to put the gravel in and plant the carpet plants at front, leave it for week then do water change in old tank, put old water in new tank along with new plants, then Hes taking the filter media from old tank and put it into the new filter, side by side.
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