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    bid for my own deals on eBay and 'win' them...what exactly happens?

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    Banned

    you cant bid on your own auction using the same account if thats what you mean?

    then you have to pay fees for your own sale. Plus risk the chance of being banned by ebay for shill bidding, presuming you mean a different account.

    Lol, why would you do that :?

    lottysdad08;6548287

    you cant bid on your own auction using the same account if thats what you … you cant bid on your own auction using the same account if thats what you mean?



    you can use another account, then once uve won thats it, then if u offer the next bidder a second chance offer ebay fees are still applied

    fireheaven;6548300

    Lol, why would you do that :?


    To bump up the price - its shill bidding.........

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    ChipSticks;6548297

    then you have to pay fees for your own sale. Plus risk the chance of … then you have to pay fees for your own sale. Plus risk the chance of being banned by ebay for shill bidding, presuming you mean a different account.



    You could always file a NPB with EBAY stating that you did'nt pay yourself to claim your fees back:p, if using different accounts. Either way ebay are preety hot on shill bidding and they will catch you.

    That said you only get a warning and tutorial style questionairre for a 1st offence, but the second time they catch you both accounts get suspended for 30 days

    You cant do it on the same account. but multi accounts you can be you get banned for it if you get caught however loads of people do it, hence the reason why i never use ebay. :thumbsup:

    scott1295;6548368

    You cant do it on the same account. but multi accounts you can be you get … You cant do it on the same account. but multi accounts you can be you get banned for it if you get caught however loads of people do it, hence the reason why i never use ebay. :thumbsup:



    Why wouldn't you use Ebay because of that.

    You can buy plenty of things on BIN thus avoiding the shillers:thumbsup:

    BIN? Not aware of that? See i would rather try and buy the same thing on here as at least i know there isnt somebody sitting bumping up the price. Plus no fees and no paypal = less hassle.

    gari189;6548319

    To bump up the price - its shill bidding.........



    Doh :oops: for some reason I thought it was BIN

    lottysdad08;6548348

    Either way ebay are preety hot on shill bidding and they will catch you.



    Really,do you think so :whistling:

    They 'might' catch you if someone reports it,and given that its almost impossible for someone to spot now with the hidden winning bidders you've a fair chance of getting away with it

    scott1295;6548480

    BIN? Not aware of that? See i would rather try and buy the same thing on … BIN? Not aware of that? See i would rather try and buy the same thing on here as at least i know there isnt somebody sitting bumping up the price. Plus no fees and no paypal = less hassle.



    As a buyer you don't pay any fees.

    BIN=buy it now

    It's at a set price so can't be shilled,i rarely buy anything on auction i'm too impatient.

    grabbit;6548531

    Really,do you think so :whistling:They 'might' catch you if someone … Really,do you think so :whistling:They 'might' catch you if someone reports it,and given that its almost impossible for someone to spot now with the hidden winning bidders you've a fair chance of getting away with it


    I agree its almost impossible to detect, if I bid on something I never accept a second chance offer unless they lower the price to what it was before the "winning" bidder came in......

    tinkerbell28;6548611

    No the hidden bidder thing can make it easier in a way IF you know what … No the hidden bidder thing can make it easier in a way IF you know what your looking for:thumbsup:


    Got any tips what to look for?

    tinkerbell28;6548852

    Yeah it's quite easy if you think you are being shilled go into the bid … Yeah it's quite easy if you think you are being shilled go into the bid activity and it's a case of looking at the figures, most shillers are stupid and you will notice a high activity with the seller in random categories, digging deeper if not so obvious using goofbay and stuff looking out for giveaways such as relisitng.It's pretty easy to start uncovering patterns in most cases.



    Well like you say that works ok with the stupid shillers,but some aren't that silly,or shilly ;-)

    Also even if you do think it looks suss you can't see the winning bidders id unless they are even stupider and have left previous feedback,

    Since you can have as many ebay id's as you want its definately easy to shill and get away it if you use a bit of common sense and keep alternating the id's you use,

    Don't like that hidden bidder thing at all

    Original Poster

    The reason why I ask is because I saw this:
    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1563/bidding.jpg
    I was suspicious of Bidder 8, why did they bid 4 times consecutively?

    Was this an example of shilling, or simply a stupid buyer?

    Banned

    it will only show because maybe they where outbid by someone who had put in a higher limit, when you put in a price higher than what its going for i dont think all bids are shown when automatic bidding is done, although i could be wrong

    Original Poster

    sassie;6549572

    it will only show because maybe they where outbid by someone who had put … it will only show because maybe they where outbid by someone who had put in a higher limit, when you put in a price higher than what its going for i dont think all bids are shown when automatic bidding is done



    ohhh ok, that explains it then...thanks :thumbsup:

    Banned

    there is somewhere you can put an ebay names in and will show how many bids have been made on a certain persons auctions, not sure what its called though

    tinkerbell28;6549581

    If anything I would be suspicious of bidder 9................a new bidder … If anything I would be suspicious of bidder 9................a new bidder who pushed up bidder 8's proxy bid.You see that's common all that shows is they have put in a proxy bid and had their bid pushed up.........so you would want to look at bidder 9's history really.



    Bidder 9 could be entirely innocent tho,you couldn't determine anything else from the info shown,all they did was place a bid in the last few mins of auction


    sassie;6549604

    there is somewhere you can put an ebay names in and will show how many … there is somewhere you can put an ebay names in and will show how many bids have been made on a certain persons auctions, not sure what its called though



    Goofbay or similar do you mean? You dont know the bidders user id tho :whistling:

    Banned

    grabbit;6549748

    Bidder 9 could be entirely innocent tho,you couldn't determine anything … Bidder 9 could be entirely innocent tho,you couldn't determine anything else from the info shown,all they did was place a bid in the last few mins of auctionGoofbay or similar do you mean? You dont know the bidders user id tho :whistling:



    oh crap, yeah forgot about that, it used to say names didnt it :oops:

    i doubt if ebay give a monkeys about shill bidders, after all the higher the final selling price, the more money they make. If I bid on an item and it goes above what I want to pay, I just leave it. If they win their own auction then it's tough luck on them.
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