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    the problems 2 big

    not that its a problem !!!!

    How will they know if its legal or not?

    Banned

    February 13th, 2008



    this is old and will amount to nothing

    is this an essay question? do you want us to compare and contrast while we're at it
    lol

    Caveman wrote on walls with whatever he could... then man used paint and pens...

    The ISP's have already started to say it shouldn't be up to them to police this!

    Record companies are so 'yesterday'...

    LP's and 45's went to tapes then CD's...

    They have fixed the price on UK sales for years...

    Cinema is so yesterday... Along with Videos and DVD's...

    I download and transmit via wi-fi to my 50 inch screen...

    So i don't reproduce or copy...

    Unfortunately... this does include blockbusters before they hit the silver screens...

    how do you expulse from the net?
    you can only expluse from an isp isn't it?

    OLD NEWS it will never pass

    hashman;2083686

    how do you expulse from the net? you can only expluse from an isp isn't … how do you expulse from the net? you can only expluse from an isp isn't it?



    he means you'll go on like a 'blacklist' where no isp will take you for fear of being taken to court etc

    Surely this would be close to impossible, or at least extremely expensive?
    I mean banning people from the net would require some kind of universal log on to the internet, what would stop people are banning going to a library for example? There would need to be a central register, which would never get through government.
    But this isn't even talking about banning people form the net, its about ISP's ending contracts with people who violate their terms of use. I would say its unfair, and hope that enough people would abandon them anyway if they did this, but its their service, they can do what they want.
    This article is very badly written...the problem is much more complicated than it makes it seem.

    jackt010;2083691

    OLD NEWS it will never pass



    agree with all that has been said here.

    On another note, what's with the gamestation voucher jackt010? You didn't respon to my pms about this either. I don't mind someone pulling out of a deal, but at least have the decency to let me know or respond to my questions...

    Proximo;2083618

    this is old and will amount to nothing



    That sounds like my life ! :oops:

    ... then ISP's - such as Virgin Media for example - need to stop encouraging people to download. Download CD's in X seconds, download a movie in X minutes.

    Yes you can download these legally, but for the most part it is just encouraging people to illegally download.

    vixygwim;2084008

    Never say never.It's stupidly simple for ISPs to implement a very broad … Never say never.It's stupidly simple for ISPs to implement a very broad block on something, say everything except websites.It isn't going to happen but the technical ability is always there, but in saying that the Government would have to turn into a dictatorship first (hmm, maybe we're half way there already) :lol:.



    tricky, there is an http protocol for download, complete disconnection is the only way, but every isp will be snowed under as all the hacks go looking for unsecured wifi hotspots

    forharry;2083681

    Caveman wrote on walls with whatever he could... then man used paint and … Caveman wrote on walls with whatever he could... then man used paint and pens...The ISP's have already started to say it shouldn't be up to them to police this!Record companies are so 'yesterday'...LP's and 45's went to tapes then CD's...They have fixed the price on UK sales for years...Cinema is so yesterday... Along with Videos and DVD's...I download and transmit via wi-fi to my 50 inch screen...So i don't reproduce or copy...Unfortunately... this does include blockbusters before they hit the silver screens...



    Most ponced up excuse for downloading illegal files ive heard yet!

    before the days of illegal downloading DVD's used to cost around twenty quid,now after a few months you can get your blockbuster for £4.99.
    I'll watch an illegal for the convinience and if i like it i'll buy a copy when it comes out otherwise i would be waiting for it on telly.
    If the big companies make a dvd or cd saleable it will sell,.if the dowloaders didn't download the films i believe in my humble opinion that Dvds would be £25 each and if it's costing the industry millions why are the movie budgets allways getting higher and why are they still making money?

    The ISP that I work for cuts off all users that get reported for sharing copyrighted stuff.
    What people need to remember is its not the ISP that are looking at what your sharing..This is a copy of the kind of thing we get :

    Entertainment Software Association
    575 7th Street, NW, Suite 300
    Washington, DC 20004 USA

    Attention: Intellectual Property Enforcement
    Telephone: 202-223-2400
    E-mail: mailto:[email protected]copyright-compliance.com?subject=RE%3A%20Notice%20ID%3A%20182%2D41969560%20ESA%20Foreign%20Notice

    27 Apr 2008 04:01:15 GMT



    Dear ****************

    The Entertainment Software Association (“ESAâ€) is a U.S. trade association that represents the intellectual property interests of numerous companies that publish interactive games for video game consoles, personal computers, handheld devices and the Internet in the United States and in other countries (collectively referred to as “ESA membersâ€). ESA is authorized to act on behalf of ESA members whose copyright and other intellectual property rights it believes to be infringed as described herein.

    ESA is providing this letter of notification to make ********************** aware that the IP Address identified below is using the services and systems of *********************** to infringe the exclusive copyright and other rights of one or more ESA members. This notice is addressed to you as the agent designated by ************************* to receive notifications of claimed infringement.

    Through the Berne Convention and other international treaties covering intellectual property rights, ESA believes that its members’ rights in such entertainment software products are entitled to the full protection of the intellectual property law as well as other relevant laws of your country.

    Based on the information at its disposal on 27 Apr 2008 02:56:22 GMT, ESA has a good faith belief that the subscriber using the IP address 0.0.0.0 is infringing the copyright rights of one or more ESA members by copying and distributing unauthorized copies of game products (through peer-to-peer or similar software/services), in violation of applicable copyright laws, through internet access that ********************* provides directly to the 0.0.0.0 or through a downstream provider that purchases this access for 0.0.0.0. The copyrighted works that have been infringed include but are not limited to:

    Title: Need For Speed
    Infringement Source: BitTorrent
    Infringement Timestamp: 27 Apr 2008 02:56:22 GMT Infringement Last Documented: 27 Apr 2008 02:56:22 GMT Infringer Username:
    Infringing Filename: NFS Most Wanted
    Infringing Filesize: 3703083226
    Infringer IP Address: 0.0.0.0
    Infringer DNS Name: 888888888888888888 Infringing URL: tpb.tracker.thepiratebay.org/ann…nce


    The unauthorized copies of game product are listed and/or identified thereon by their titles or variations thereof, game-related listings/references/descriptions, or depictions of game-related artwork. Such copies, titles, game-related listings/references/descriptions, depictions, and material that is the subject of infringing activities are hereinafter referred to as "Infringing Material.â€

    Given this infringing activity by 0.0.0.0, the ESA urges **************************** to cooperate with its efforts to protect the intellectual property rights of its members companies and immediately do the following:

    1. Notify the account holder of the Infringing Material.
    2. Remove, or disable access to, the Infringing Material detailed above.
    3. Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse Policy/Terms
    of Service Agreement, including termination of a repeat offender.

    Please inform us whether you will remove or disable access to the Infringing Material as requested. ******************** or the account holder may contact ESA at the above-listed contact details, with email preferred. Please include the above-noted Reference Number in the subject line of all email correspondence.

    Thank you for your cooperation and prompt response in this matter.

    Sincerely,

    Intellectual Property Enforcement
    Entertainment Software Association

    Also just to note...Its NOT the downloading that the problem
    Its the Uploading.

    You could download a copy of Tina Turners album as say a backup :P
    But sharing it to other people is when it gets nasty..Hence why most people that get cut off are using torrents because of the uploading

    why drag up a story 3 months old?

    it's never going to happen anyway.

    souljacker;2084250

    why drag up a story 3 months old? it's never going to happen anyway.



    ok dont read anything i have just said above...ISP's are already starting it :whistling:

    dcx_badass;2083754

    Old and never going to happen. ISPs would loose over half their customers.



    more like 90% :thumbsup:

    souljacker;2084250

    why drag up a story 3 months old? it's never going to happen anyway.



    dream on, the next 5 years will see MAJOR change for the leechers

    Banned

    kungfu;2084311

    dream on, the next 5 years will see MAJOR change for the leechers



    like?

    Banned

    That's a ******** article.

    colinsunderland;2084319

    like?



    Some ISP's have started dropping people down to dial up speeds once they go over there download limit

    kungfu;2084311

    dream on, the next 5 years will see MAJOR change for the leechers



    not a chance, most isp's have already said it's not up to them to police the internet, what are these MAJOR changes?

    souljacker;2084370

    not a chance, most isp's have already said it's not up to them to police … not a chance, most isp's have already said it's not up to them to police the internet, what are these MAJOR changes?



    Starting with what akme said, strict download limits then capped at dial up speeds after it etc, the government is now worried about the state of file sharing so id expect something to be done over the next few years no bother.

    Man it really gets the freeloaders backs up when you suggest they may be losing their 'privilidges' eh

    you expect. but have no evidence to suggest this.

    I really can't see how the goverment is going to force isp's to do this and how easy it will actually be to implement it.

    How can they distinguish between illegal downloaders/ uploaders and people who are just legally sharing files

    souljacker;2084451

    you expect. but have no evidence to suggest this.I really can't see how … you expect. but have no evidence to suggest this.I really can't see how the goverment is going to force isp's to do this and how easy it will actually be to implement it.How can they distinguish between illegal downloaders/ uploaders and people who are just legally sharing files




    Imo it wont be a battle against who is downloading what illegal files, the easiest way to cut it down is to introduce the caps on bandwidth, its almost a certaintey that the biggest downloaders are downloading illegal files, dont start with all the ubuntu bollox either, no one downloads 500 versions of linux a month

    souljacker;2084370

    not a chance, most isp's have already said it's not up to them to police … not a chance, most isp's have already said it's not up to them to police the internet, what are these MAJOR changes?



    Oh...........and all it takes is one bill passed through parliament to MAKE it the isp's responsibility for their network

    I'll belive it when i see it and even then it won't affect me anyway, i'll stil be able to download what i want

    souljacker;2084510

    I'll belive it when i see it and even then it won't affect me anyway, … I'll belive it when i see it and even then it won't affect me anyway, i'll stil be able to download what i want



    yeah.................. on dial up speed wooohooo enjoy!!!

    Banned

    kungfu;2084478

    Oh...........and all it takes is one bill passed through parliament to … Oh...........and all it takes is one bill passed through parliament to MAKE it the isp's responsibility for their network



    of course, but they would have to differentiate between illegal uses and legal uses

    kungfu;2084528

    yeah.................. on dial up speed wooohooo enjoy!!!



    no on the same broadband speed i am on now :-D

    colinsunderland;2084532

    of course, but they would have to differentiate between illegal uses and … of course, but they would have to differentiate between illegal uses and legal uses



    yes and how they would INSTANTLY lower the illegal sharing is as i said........caps on bandwidth reducing to 56k speeds. Simple.

    souljacker;2084564

    no on the same broadband speed i am on now :-D



    yeah right, as if you can bypass the isp's restrictions on u, or did you your grandad make you an megatrondoodledownloader modem out of a biscuit tin?

    kungfu;2084650

    yeah right, as if you can bypass the isp's restrictions on u, or did you … yeah right, as if you can bypass the isp's restrictions on u, or did you your grandad make you an megatrondoodledownloader modem out of a biscuit tin?



    I don't need to bypass restrictions put on by an isp as living where i do, there is not going to be any restrictions put in place.

    haha fair play, they will sort u islanders out one day you get away with murder ova there, anyway im finished work in a min woohoo, cyas

    Banned

    kungfu;2084640

    yes and how they would INSTANTLY lower the illegal sharing is as i … yes and how they would INSTANTLY lower the illegal sharing is as i said........caps on bandwidth reducing to 56k speeds. Simple.



    that won't happen, no one will pay for bb and only get dial up speeds.
    If they ever find a way of being able to tell what you are downloading, and then being sure it is illegal then maybe, but that will be very hard to do.

    colinsunderland;2085262

    that won't happen, no one will pay for bb and only get dial up speeds.If … that won't happen, no one will pay for bb and only get dial up speeds.If they ever find a way of being able to tell what you are downloading, and then being sure it is illegal then maybe, but that will be very hard to do.


    Can and will happen imo, not yet because the government isnt putting any pressure on them yet..but they will, browny is v interested in this
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