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    Installing motorised satellite dish

    I know there is a few people on here that have done this as i was discussing the pro's and con's of putting in my own system for the football a few weeks ago, but i can't remember who it was

    Well i've took the plunge and ordered a system so was just after a bit of advice on the installation of it, can someone help before i get an installer in.

    cheers

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    i have a motorised system in
    and its the dogs conkers
    some updating on the cam via my computer and bobs your uncle, over 3000 chanels

    skywise.tv/

    guvs the man to sort you out on the installation of your dish... I'm hoping to get one in the new year..

    things to remember:
    when installing the dish motor, initialize at 0°, then only move with the motor to 28.2° (if you are trying to tune to sky) or other satellites, otherwise you will not get signal clearly

    best to try specialized forums rathern then hukd

    cheers

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    What ya ordered?

    I've done installs on 1.2m motorised systems - but that was back in the days of analogue when it was far easier to use the onscreen settings to align things! Can still be done though. I assume you've bought a diseqc motor? Fraid I have no knowledge of using this motors. Best bit of advice though...........

    Make sure you get a proper survey done so you know where you plant the dish, it has nothing blocking its view. Get a compass. You will want if you can get, a clear view from 28E round to 30 W. If you cant, at least make sure you get 28E to 1W.

    When you plant the pole for the dish (assuming you are going this way), it has to be completely firm (the shape of the dish acts as an amplifier for wind!) and completely at a 90E upright angle. Thats very important. If it isn't. you will have problems aligning the dish. Having said that, things are probably easier with a diseqc motor. On my system its on a polar mount. It tracks the satellite arc in one continous movement. i think diseqc is different to this - ie its more forgiving and you can tell it to move both vertical and horizontally. Best check for that. As I say, never used one!

    I'd say its definately worth having a go (providing your ok with the first bits mentioned.) If you are siteing on the house, make sure you are using very strong brackets!

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    dog_cop;3801821

    i have a motorised system in and its the dogs conkers some updating on … i have a motorised system in and its the dogs conkers some updating on the cam via my computer and bobs your uncle, over 3000 chanels



    What ya got dogcop?

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    guv;3801902

    What ya ordered?I've done installs on 1.2m motorised systems - but that … What ya ordered?I've done installs on 1.2m motorised systems - but that was back in the days of analogue when it was far easier to use the onscreen settings to align things! Can still be done though. I assume you've bought a diseqc motor? Fraid I have no knowledge of using this motors. Best bit of advice though...........Make sure you get a proper survey done so you know where you plant the dish, it has nothing blocking its view. Get a compass. You will want if you can get, a clear view from 28E round to 30 W. If you cant, at least make sure you get 28E to 1W.When you plant the pole for the dish (assuming you are going this way), it has to be completely firm (the shape of the dish acts as an amplifier for wind!) and completely at a 90E upright angle. Thats very important. If it isn't. you will have problems aligning the dish. Having said that, things are probably easier with a diseqc motor. On my system its on a polar mount. It tracks the satellite arc in one continous movement. i think diseqc is different to this - ie its more forgiving and you can tell it to move both vertical and horizontally. Best check for that. As I say, never used one!I'd say its definately worth having a go (providing your ok with the first bits mentioned.) If you are siteing on the house, make sure you are using very strong brackets!



    I've bought one of these wizardsatellite.co.uk/ind…195

    I've got a fair idea of where to put the dish using ]dish pointer It's just the initial set up that might be a bit tricky as in finding the satelittes and storing channels.

    I'll give it a go though

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    Yeh that kit should be fine. Its going on a wall right?

    Storing channels wont be a problem.... correct alignment is the key.

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    guv;3801944

    What ya got dogcop?


    got a technomate tm1500ci, Diablo cam and a rather large dish on the roof

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    guv;3802543

    Yeh that kit should be fine. Its going on a wall right?Storing channels … Yeh that kit should be fine. Its going on a wall right?Storing channels wont be a problem.... correct alignment is the key.



    yeah it's going on the wall, i'll just have to buy some good fixings for it

    Not bad , I have the TM1600+ .The 5400 has a USB slot , simply load a new file onto your pendrive from PC , stick your pendrive into the 5400 and load the file . I still have to program a card , no big deal though .I have allways used the Jeager motors ,[silent gold] easy to set up . Turn the motor to 0*[degrees] align the dish to 1*[degrees] West , [true South] then tweak your dish ..............elevation ....inclination and all that stuff . Best to use the compass and meter ............very ,very hard without a meter . I have never bothered with 28.2* , I have a fixed dish on Astra and the motorised linked on the same reciver using DisqeC .The motorised is mainly Thor or Hotbird . But ,take note ......were losing channels all the time ...................and join a good Sat forum .
    Best of luck

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    dog_cop;3802568

    got a technomate tm1500ci, Diablo cam and a rather large dish on the roof



    can you explain to me how the diablo cam works? I take it you don't jut buy the cam and plug it in?

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    ricko;3802650

    Not bad , I have the TM1600+ .The 5400 has a USB slot , simply load a … Not bad , I have the TM1600+ .The 5400 has a USB slot , simply load a new file onto your pendrive from PC , stick your pendrive into the 5400 and load the file . I still have to program a card , no big deal though .I have allways used the Jeager motors ,[silent gold] easy to set up . Turn the motor to 0*[degrees] align the dish to 1*[degrees] West , [true South] then tweak your dish ..............elevation ....inclination and all that stuff . Best to use the compass and meter ............very ,very hard without a meter . I have never bothered with 28.2* , I have a fixed dish on Astra and the motorised linked on the same reciver using DisqeC .The motorised is mainly Thor or Hotbird . But ,take note ......were losing channels all the time ...................and join a good Sat forum .Best of luck



    cheers :thumbsup:

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    souljacker;3802670

    can you explain to me how the diablo cam works? I take it you don't jut … can you explain to me how the diablo cam works? I take it you don't jut buy the cam and plug it in?


    mine is formatted via my computer and the site I use update codes, keys and the like which you load to your computer then trnasfer to your cam, takes about ten mins or so

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    ricko;3802650

    But ,take note ......were losing channels all the time … But ,take note ......were losing channels all the time ...................and join a good Sat forum .



    Very true........ More will go in the new year once the rest of the Nagra channels switch to V3.

    Though there are more than one ways to skin a cat! You'd need an IP receiver for that though with a decent internet connection. Opens up a whole new world of satellite!

    Yes ,as one door closes , another opens .
    I've seen lots of changes in the Sat world since my early days of D2-mac .Theres allways a light at the end of the tunnel .

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    ricko;3803241

    Yes ,as one door closes , another opens .



    True. Something will be released that unpicks the lock!

    I've seen lots of changes in the Sat world since my early days of D2-mac … I've seen lots of changes in the Sat world since my early days of D2-mac .Theres always a light at the end of the tunnel .



    Hehe... I remember my X1000 filmnet docoder! What a waste of money that was!

    I've only got mine less than 2 weeks ago but i love it for the footie. I did cheat though, got dish fitted by local satellite shop. Got a 1m motorised dish with a Technomate 6900 HD super and using a Diablo cam. Cam programmed for me but have bought a CAS3+ programmer and read instructions on how to use (not had to do it yet though) and looks straight forward. What do you mean about IP receiver guv, if you don't mind me asking? I have a slot on my box for ethernet etc?
    I did a lot of reading before taking the plunge but glad i did although worried about losing channels although everybody seems to think there will be new firmwares/solutions to this.

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    NeilGY;3804148

    I've only got mine less than 2 weeks ago but i love it for the footie. I … I've only got mine less than 2 weeks ago but i love it for the footie. I did cheat though, got dish fitted by local satellite shop. Got a 1m motorised dish with a Technomate 6900 HD super and using a Diablo cam. Cam programmed for me but have bought a CAS3+ programmer and read instructions on how to use (not had to do it yet though) and looks straight forward. What do you mean about IP receiver guv, if you don't mind me asking? I have a slot on my box for ethernet etc?I did a lot of reading before taking the plunge but glad i did although worried about losing channels although everybody seems to think there will be new firmwares/solutions to this.



    There will always be new solutions. Only problem with Cams... these guys are in it to make lots of bucks. They support them for a while, then go onto the next one. I gave up with my Dragon Cam. Too much hassle to keep reprogramming it only to lose stuff pretty quickly. Have you flashed your 6900HD or just relying on the Diablo?

    Ive got the 6900HD also - but its not the new "Super" you have. I wished I had waited! You are able to connect your receiver to the internet directly. Google CCcam and you will soon learn a few things! All I will say is it works!:p (And opens pretty much everything broadcast!)

    Cheers guv, that sounds very,very interesting. The box was patched for me as well as the cam done, i wanted to start with everything done and learn as i went along. I find it hard to watch channels in SD now after watching footie on Canal HD and films on Canal films HD!!!
    There isn't much difference between the 6900 & the super is there? The main thing i can find is the 'Blind scan' although that still doesn't mean that much to me yet :thinking:

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    NeilGY;3804148

    I've only got mine less than 2 weeks ago but i love it for the footie. I … I've only got mine less than 2 weeks ago but i love it for the footie. I did cheat though, got dish fitted by local satellite shop. Got a 1m motorised dish with a Technomate 6900 HD super and using a Diablo cam. Cam programmed for me but have bought a CAS3+ programmer and read instructions on how to use (not had to do it yet though) and looks straight forward. What do you mean about IP receiver guv, if you don't mind me asking? I have a slot on my box for ethernet etc?I did a lot of reading before taking the plunge but glad i did although worried about losing channels although everybody seems to think there will be new firmwares/solutions to this.



    where did you buy the diablo cam pre-programmed from?

    souljacker;3804417

    where did you buy the diablo cam pre-programmed from?



    I bought the cam from a local satellite shop but got it programmed by a friend. Does look easy to programme though using a CAS3+ programmer

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    NeilGY;3804467

    I bought the cam from a local satellite shop but got it programmed by a … I bought the cam from a local satellite shop but got it programmed by a friend. Does look easy to programme though using a CAS3+ programmer



    ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and running, do you get sat 3pm kick offs with this cam?

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    souljacker;3804532

    ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and … ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and running, do you get sat 3pm kick offs with this cam?


    you will be amazed at what football is on the system, for example the big game you will find on various stations , some with english commentry some not, also you can watch a massive amount of dutch, german , spanish.. loads and loads :w00t:

    As has been suggested, the most important thing, apart from the actual siting of the dish, is to make certain that the support pole is absolutely vertical in all planes, and that the support is very strongly mounted, these things take a huge amount of wind force.


    Good luck.

    souljacker;3804532

    ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and … ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and running, do you get sat 3pm kick offs with this cam?



    Yes, last weekend was my first at being able to watch the 3pm kick offs :thumbsup:. I find a lot of the matches are on Thor satellite including the Canal + HD sports channel which shows the football. I watched the Man City v Everton match live and flicked over to see how the red ***** where getting on against Hull. There's a website showing what games are on what channels, can't remember the address off the top of my head but i'll find it and let you know.

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    NeilGY;3806553

    Yes, last weekend was my first at being able to watch the 3pm kick offs … Yes, last weekend was my first at being able to watch the 3pm kick offs :thumbsup:. I find a lot of the matches are on Thor satellite including the Canal + HD sports channel which shows the football. I watched the Man City v Everton match live and flicked over to see how the red ***** where getting on against Hull. There's a website showing what games are on what channels, can't remember the address off the top of my head but i'll find it and let you know.



    If you could thanks :thumbsup:

    Can i post a link on here or is it best to PM it?

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    NeilGY;3806553

    Yes, last weekend was my first at being able to watch the 3pm kick offs … Yes, last weekend was my first at being able to watch the 3pm kick offs :thumbsup:. I find a lot of the matches are on Thor satellite including the Canal + HD sports channel which shows the football. I watched the Man City v Everton match live and flicked over to see how the red ***** where getting on against Hull. There's a website showing what games are on what channels, can't remember the address off the top of my head but i'll find it and let you know.




    [url]www.liveonsat.com[/url]

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    NeilGY;3804298

    Cheers guv, that sounds very,very interesting. The box was patched for me … Cheers guv, that sounds very,very interesting. The box was patched for me as well as the cam done, i wanted to start with everything done and learn as i went along. I find it hard to watch channels in SD now after watching footie on Canal HD and films on Canal films HD!!!There isn't much difference between the 6900 & the super is there? The main thing i can find is the 'Blind scan' although that still doesn't mean that much to me yet :thinking:



    The main differences between the 6900 and 6900 Super is

    (a) Network connectivity
    (b) Front and rear USB

    Apart from that, I dont know.

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    souljacker;3804532

    ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and … ok cheers, i'll look into getting one once i get my system up and running, do you get sat 3pm kick offs with this cam?



    Personally, I wouldnt bother. I dint think the cam will give you anything extra over your flashed receiver.

    Dogcop... does it bring in more than a flashed receiver?

    guv;3808153

    The main differences between the 6900 and 6900 Super is(a) Network … The main differences between the 6900 and 6900 Super is(a) Network connectivity(b) Front and rear USBApart from that, I dont know.



    I was looking into the CCcam you mentioned last night, still haven't read enough on it yet but looks interesting. I'm presuming the 6900 can't use CCcam due to the lack of network connectivity?

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    NeilGY;3808188

    I was looking into the CCcam you mentioned last night, still haven't read … I was looking into the CCcam you mentioned last night, still haven't read enough on it yet but looks interesting. I'm presuming the 6900 can't use CCcam due to the lack of network connectivity?



    Your one can. Mine cant.

    I bought an Eagle reveiver 2 weeks ago to test it all out. Yes it does work!!!!!

    If everyone thinks they have lots of channels now on mutlisat - multiply that by 10 !!!! ;-)

    guv;3808130

    [url]www.liveonsat.com[/url]



    That's the one :thumbsup:

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    I can remember when the site first started. He wanted to make it a supscription / donation site originally.

    Lovely Jubbly! ;-)

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    guv;3808166

    Personally, I wouldnt bother. I dint think the cam will give you anything … Personally, I wouldnt bother. I dint think the cam will give you anything extra over your flashed receiver.Dogcop... does it bring in more than a flashed receiver?



    ah right, i won't bother then, i'll just see what i get when i get set up, cheers :thumbsup:
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