Is 3 points the maximum for speeding? HELP

I got caught doing 37mph in a 30 mph zone by one of them police vans parked up by the side of the road. I cant afford to get points on my licence obvisouly for insurance purposes and for my job. I was looking to palm them off to my younger brother who has taken a break from learning to drive because he's going uni. Obviously i dont want him to get 6 points where it's a automatic ban. So is 3 the maximum points? And lastly will he need to be insured to drive the car or can he say he was just learning. Im fully comp and 26 years old if that helps.
Thanks in advance

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take the points yourself. as if your brother would take them...

Banned

put it this way if you throw them his way.......when he passes if he gets another 3 points he is gonna get a ban for 2 years and have to learn again


take it on the chin its your responsibility

if its your first time caught, you dont get the points if you do the speed awareness course but you will get the fine...

Nope 3pts is not the maximum I believe, get caught doing over 100mph and its an instant ban potentially thus must be 6 pts I'd figure.

fireexit;8577388

if its your first time caught, you dont get the points if you do the … if its your first time caught, you dont get the points if you do the speed awareness course but you will get the fine...



Only if your area does the courses, and you are offered it. :thumbsup:

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awoodhall2003;8577393

Nope 3pts is not the maximum I believe, get caught doing over 100mph and … Nope 3pts is not the maximum I believe, get caught doing over 100mph and its an instant ban potentially thus must be 6 pts I'd figure.



generally 6 points doesnt get you a ban unless you are a new driver:?

3 points is the most you will get for this offence as it is not massively over the limit. Take the points yourself chap, first 3 points don't really add too much onto your insurance premium.

I'm going to sell my road angel professional soon - you interested? (Being serious)

I thought that insurance companies weren't overly concerned about 3 points for speeding these days.

Original Poster

How much does your insurance increase by? And do i need to let them no i have points? Can i ask to be put on a speed awareness course if i say ill lose my job if i get points? :oops:

How many points have you got already?

Original Poster

Goonieman;8577489

How many points have you got already?



Nope

The maximum points for your speed will be 3. However, whatever you do don't palm them off onto your Brother as like other people have said, if he gets a ticket once he starts driving, he's automatically banned and it'll be your fault! Also, they have a photo of the car and if you're proved to be lying, they take it really seriously now. Just take your points and stand up to your responsibility. No one made you speed!

baffledsalmon;8577539

The maximum points for your speed will be 3. However, whatever you do … The maximum points for your speed will be 3. However, whatever you do don't palm them off onto your Brother as like other people have said, if he gets a ticket once he starts driving, he's automatically banned and it'll be your fault! Also, they have a photo of the car and if you're proved to be lying, they take it really seriously now. Just take your points and stand up to your responsibility. No one made you speed!



I was under the impression that any photographs of the speeding can and will only be relied upon if taken to court, and that otherwise it cannot be used in evidence to prove who was driving?

demolisher;8577527

Nope


So you'd lose your job for getting 3 points? What do you do?

If you were caught by the van there is no escape because they take 2 pictures. One of the plate and one of the driver, so unless your brother is an identical twin, any attempt to claim otherwise will undoubtedly end with a custodial sentence.
Take the 3 points, if they are your only 3 it will not affect your insurance, but make sure you tell them at renewal.

First speeding offenders or not still get 3 points and a £60 fine ........but if your only just above the limit they may send you to one of those awareness course's and quash the penalty . Of course if you get clocked doing 160mph in your Reliant Robin then expect a harsher fine . You MUST notify your insurance company about your SP30 or whatever , if you dont and you have a bump they could void your insurance . I had to pay an extra £15 per policy on my 2 motors for an SP30 .

awoodhall2003;8577562

I was under the impression that any photographs of the speeding can and … I was under the impression that any photographs of the speeding can and will only be relied upon if taken to court, and that otherwise it cannot be used in evidence to prove who was driving?



If he tries to off load the points on his brother (which is very lame by the way) they may refer to the photograph to confirm if he was driving unsupervised. Be a man and take the hit!

awoodhall2003;8577562

I was under the impression that any photographs of the speeding can and … I was under the impression that any photographs of the speeding can and will only be relied upon if taken to court, and that otherwise it cannot be used in evidence to prove who was driving?



I think it depends on your council. Back where I used to live, a friend of mine worked for them and she said they run a check (presumably to tell the "speeder" that they have a photo proving who was driving/how many people were in the car to eliminate blaming it on Learner drivers and therefore make the driver cough up through scare tactics). However, I think a lot of places will only use it "officially" in court. But if the OP says it was his Brother driving, they look at the photo and see there was only one person in the car, he's screwed!

Original Poster

Goonieman;8577563

So you'd lose your job for getting 3 points? What do you do?



Well wouldnt lose my job. Im a delivery driver.

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Goonieman;8577489

How many points have you got already?



demolisher;8577527

Nope


so you dont want to answer gonnieman's question? :thinking:

How long do points stay on for? does anyone know?

geegee-pinata;8577626

How long do points stay on for? does anyone know?



3 years.

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baffledsalmon;8577610

I think it depends on your council. Back where I used to live, a friend … I think it depends on your council. Back where I used to live, a friend of mine worked for them and she said they run a check (presumably to tell the "speeder" that they have a photo proving who was driving/how many people were in the car to eliminate blaming it on Learner drivers and therefore make the driver cough up through scare tactics). However, I think a lot of places will only use it "officially" in court. But if the OP says it was his Brother driving, they look at the photo and see there was only one person in the car, he's screwed!



I thought the police mobile unit use a speed gun to determine your speed how will they take the picture as well ?

3 years as an offence but 4 years before you can have them removed from the record.

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csiman;8577623

so you dont want to answer gonnieman's question? :thinking:



was meant to say none :oops:

demolisher;8577432

How much does your insurance increase by? And do i need to let them no i … How much does your insurance increase by? And do i need to let them no i have points? Can i ask to be put on a speed awareness course if i say ill lose my job if i get points? :oops:



demolisher;8577620

Well wouldnt lose my job. Im a delivery driver.



i doubt lying is going to improve the situation much.

geegee-pinata;8577626

How long do points stay on for? does anyone know?



totting up is for three years but stay visible on your licence for four and you have to declare them on most insurance quotes for five..

Goonieman;8577642

3 years.



Thanks :thumbsup: Can get rid of my 1st three soon then :whistling:

Edit - clearly not. thanks guys

And to the op, my insurance has not gone up with points, hoever it hasn't gone down by much either.

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jonpal88;8577673

As I've already said post your situation up on http://www.pepipoo.com/ … As I've already said post your situation up on http://www.pepipoo.com/ as they may be able to find a "loophole" for you.



Yes just done that thx :thumbsup:

Goonieman;8577642

3 years.



They stay on your license for 4 years, but only count towards 'totting up' for 3 years.

Also, most insurance companies ask for conviction for the last 5 years.

I got 5 points and £250 fine for doing 97 on Leeds Outer ring road...insurance didn't change at all.

My 4 years is up in June

demolisher;8577662

I thought the police mobile unit use a speed gun to determine your speed … I thought the police mobile unit use a speed gun to determine your speed how will they take the picture as well ?



All traffic cars have the radar guns you are referring to to use when they get bored, but the vans use cameras. You must have seen them on the roadside with the two portholes open at the back and the cameras and laser showing.

JayBird;8577698

They stay on your license for 4 years, but only count towards 'totting … They stay on your license for 4 years, but only count towards 'totting up' for 3 years.Also, most insurance companies ask for conviction for the last 5 years.I got 5 points and £250 fine for doing 97 on Leeds Outer ring road...insurance didn't change at all.My 4 years is up in June



Sorry, thats what i meant. I've had six points and it hasn't effected my insurance price.

Some places offer the speed awareness course, you still pay the £60, but don't get the points at all. Maybe they'll offer that to you. Can't condone the lying though, you will get caught out.

baffledsalmon;8577610

I think it depends on your council. Back where I used to live, a friend … I think it depends on your council. Back where I used to live, a friend of mine worked for them and she said they run a check (presumably to tell the "speeder" that they have a photo proving who was driving/how many people were in the car to eliminate blaming it on Learner drivers and therefore make the driver cough up through scare tactics). However, I think a lot of places will only use it "officially" in court. But if the OP says it was his Brother driving, they look at the photo and see there was only one person in the car, he's screwed!



Well I meant in an 'official' capacity, but yeah doesnt surprise me that it is used informally as well.
To be honest, the guy was speeding, he should take the points, he has already stated he wont lose his job. So get over it and lesson learned.

Banned

If you knocked a kid over whilst speeding I'd drag your sorry arse out of the car and beat the crap out of you (serious). Speeding in a residential zone is wrong and you get everything you deserve!

Penny Saver;8577801

Some places offer the speed awareness course, you still pay the £60, but … Some places offer the speed awareness course, you still pay the £60, but don't get the points at all. Maybe they'll offer that to you. Can't condone the lying though, you will get caught out.



Thames valley region, its £60 for 3 points £75 and no points if you want to take the course

As a big brother you should protect your younger bro not drop him in to something he hasn't done. Just see it as a lesson learnt and if you don't speed again you will be fine. Take the speed awareness test if your really concerned about the points

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lincolnsmommy;8577919

As a big brother you should protect your younger bro not drop him in to … As a big brother you should protect your younger bro not drop him in to something he hasn't done. Just see it as a lesson learnt and if you don't speed again you will be fine. Take the speed awareness test if your really concerned about the points



Can you ask to have the speed awareness course or do u get chosen?

059;8577711

All traffic cars have the radar guns you are referring to to use when … All traffic cars have the radar guns you are referring to to use when they get bored, but the vans use cameras. You must have seen them on the roadside with the two portholes open at the back and the cameras and laser showing.


Both police cars and vans will tend to use a laser gun (the LTI 20-20 is very common) however while the police use it handheld the vans will have it hooked up to a camera with DVD recording system or similar. If shown your speed on a gun you can usually tell if it's laser as it will show speed and range whereas a radar gun only shows the speed.

John

demolisher;8577955

Can you ask to have the speed awareness course or do u get chosen?


It's the choice of the enforcement department as to whether you meet the criteria for a speed awareness course and if they have slots available - not all areas offer speed awareness courses (none at all in Scotland for example) and the conditions for a course vary although 37 in a 30 is likely to get you on a course if your area offers it and you haven't been on one already.

I'd echo the advice to use forums.pepipoo.com , I'd strongly recommend against what you've said in the opening post because perjury carries a mandatory jail sentence.

John
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