Is Bleeding a Diesel fuel system hard work for someone with little knowledge?

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Found 11th Jul 2011
Had a diagnostic test done on my Citroen C3 and it says Low fuel pressure. Googled this problem and came across many people who say it may just have a broken seal letting air into the system, so you can bleed it to test this.

Im just wondering if this is something easily done or whether im best waiting a few days for garage to fit me in.
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I'm sure I don't need to say this, but if you are using your car to transport kids, its always best to get it checked out properly - you don't want to skimp on car safety/reliability where kids are involved.

Better safe than sorry
Kids or no kids....you'll be a danger to other road users if you mess it up. Take it to a garage!!!
Is it causing a problem with the car as some diagnostic reports can be very picky?
bassman_uk

I'm sure I don't need to say this, but if you are using your car to … I'm sure I don't need to say this, but if you are using your car to transport kids, its always best to get it checked out properly - you don't want to skimp on car safety/reliability where kids are involved. Better safe than sorry


Its fine once its started, but im not using it at the moment other than to take me to work and bring me home, so no journeys with the kids, But Im in need of this car loads this week due to the kids commitments. I will just have to leave it a few days though till garage can fit me in. I would take it down Citroen today but know i would be paying over the odds.
Normally I would tackle something like this myself, but messing with flammable liquids is beyond even my risk taking levels (aka stupidity) so on this occasion I would bite the bullet and pay for it to be done IF its causing problems, as said before some equipment used for diagnostics is over sensitive for tests like this. its fine reading the ECU fault/error codes but for actually testing levels..........
greg_68

Is it causing a problem with the car as some diagnostic reports can be … Is it causing a problem with the car as some diagnostic reports can be very picky?



Yes it sometimes won't start, I have to have the power from a jump lead to get the engine to catch, once its revved loads to get diesel into the system its fine for the day, but then once its settled cold it won't start without a jump.
Its ok though garage has just called, can fit it in tomorrow. This is when I wished I had a mechanic in the family lol
beth3735

Its fine once its started, but im not using it at the moment other than … Its fine once its started, but im not using it at the moment other than to take me to work and bring me home, so no journeys with the kids, But Im in need of this car loads this week due to the kids commitments. I will just have to leave it a few days though till garage can fit me in. I would take it down Citroen today but know i would be paying over the odds.



Have you actually had a quote from them? from another garage either? Get quotes then call the Citroen garage and ask for a quoute, when this is too hiogh tell them you have had lower, include where and how much too (dont give false figures they may call themselves) chances they WILL WANT YOUR CUSTOM so chances are they will come back at you with a lower figure, if not whats it cost you? 5-10 minutes tops!
Edited by: "harlzter" 11th Jul 2011
beth3735

Its fine once its started, but im not using it at the moment other than … Its fine once its started, but im not using it at the moment other than to take me to work and bring me home, so no journeys with the kids, But Im in need of this car loads this week due to the kids commitments. I will just have to leave it a few days though till garage can fit me in. I would take it down Citroen today but know i would be paying over the odds.



I would see if you have any peugeot specialist local too - independent ones on trading estates. I use them for my Citroen, and were main dealer trained before setting up a business of their own. They are usually at least a third cheaper the ones I use.

Just a thought
Sounds like a glow plug type of issue to me. Can't understand why the battery from another car would start yours if it were a fuelling problem.
It's French - who knows
Has it ran out of fuel recently?, They're easy to bleed.

Could be a faulty diesel pump, Seal or just air in the system, Blocked fuel filter etc..

Get battery checked, May just be a case harder to start due to low pressure etc.

Another fact is the fact is French, Very unreliable.
Havent you only just bought this car beth ?........if so , cant you take it back to were you got it from , unless it was a private sale of course ..
I had a similar issue to this with my Peugeot 106, and I never got it solved, but only because it was old and it wasn't worth repairing.
I had changed the head though because the old one cracked, and I think that was the problem.
greg_68

Sounds like a glow plug type of issue to me. Can't understand why the … Sounds like a glow plug type of issue to me. Can't understand why the battery from another car would start yours if it were a fuelling problem.



Looking at a few of the issues with these plugs is very similar to mine.


shauneco

Has it ran out of fuel recently?, They're easy to bleed.Could be a faulty … Has it ran out of fuel recently?, They're easy to bleed.Could be a faulty diesel pump, Seal or just air in the system, Blocked fuel filter etc..Get battery checked, May just be a case harder to start due to low pressure etc.Another fact is the fact is French, Very unreliable.



The garage thought it would be the pump, but Ideally I would want the cheaper options looked at first like the seal, filter.
This is my 4th french car, 2 were great and reliable, 3rd was problem after problem and I really hope this 4th isnt going to end up like the 3rd.


shopstilldrops

Havent you only just bought this car beth ?........if so , cant you take … Havent you only just bought this car beth ?........if so , cant you take it back to were you got it from , unless it was a private sale of course ..



Yes about 3 weeks ago But it was private seller so no chance of any come back really. Pain. Wish I kept my Vectra now lol
greg_68

Sounds like a glow plug type of issue to me. Can't understand why the … Sounds like a glow plug type of issue to me. Can't understand why the battery from another car would start yours if it were a fuelling problem.

shauneco

Has it ran out of fuel recently?, They're easy to bleed.Could be a … Has it ran out of fuel recently?, They're easy to bleed.Could be a faulty diesel pump, Seal or just air in the system, Blocked fuel filter etc..Get battery checked, May just be a case harder to start due to low pressure etc.Another fact is the fact is French, Very unreliable.

shopstilldrops

Havent you only just bought this car beth ?........if so , cant you take … Havent you only just bought this car beth ?........if so , cant you take it back to were you got it from , unless it was a private sale of course ..



First bleed the system, See if problem comes back then>

Change filter ( Cheap ), Seal ( Cheap ), Wouldn't hurt to change the Glow plugs either, Finally pump.
harlzter

Have you actually had a quote from them? from another garage either? Get … Have you actually had a quote from them? from another garage either? Get quotes then call the Citroen garage and ask for a quoute, when this is too hiogh tell them you have had lower, include where and how much too (dont give false figures they may call themselves) chances they WILL WANT YOUR CUSTOM so chances are they will come back at you with a lower figure, if not whats it cost you? 5-10 minutes tops!



Getting a quote first is good advice when you know what the problem is, ie an exhaust, brakes, tyres, aircon recharge, service. When you don't know the problem and it needs diagnosis to be carried out, a quote is useless. Citroen will charge around 70-90 an hour to investigate, I made the mistake of going to a 'specialist' when my Peugeot 307 hdi started playing up over £600 later on fuel pipes and fuel filter and two weeks of being messed about, they admitted they didn't know what was wrong, complaing hdi engines are complex. Then took it to Peugeot and spent another small fortune, finally I took it to a Citroen garage (WR Davies Stafford) who took care of my Xsara for five years and they fixed it straight away at a very good price.
Btw the terrible Citroen Specialist is in Birchills Walsall, do not ever take a car there, unless you like being ripped off and having your calls ignored and the boss hiding when you want to make a complaint.
harlzter

Normally I would tackle something like this myself, but messing with … Normally I would tackle something like this myself, but messing with flammable liquids is beyond even my risk taking levels (aka stupidity) so on this occasion I would bite the bullet and pay for it to be done IF its causing problems, as said before some equipment used for diagnostics is over sensitive for tests like this. its fine reading the ECU fault/error codes but for actually testing levels..........



Sorry to burst your bubble but diesel isnt flammable
btw OP if your not confident about doing it then my advice is to not do it, I only do things on cars that im confident i wont get wrong, coz if you were to do anything it it went wrong then it could seriously **** the car
DannyM

Sorry to burst your bubble but diesel isnt flammable



Sorry to burst your bubble but diesel is flammable, it just has a higher flash point than petrol making it harder to ignite.
DannyM

Sorry to burst your bubble but diesel isnt flammable



If it leaks out onto hot engine parts later on or drips down to the brake area (and it can) then believe me its flammable, it just needs heating up first.
harlzter

If it leaks out onto hot engine parts later on or drips down to the brake … If it leaks out onto hot engine parts later on or drips down to the brake area (and it can) then believe me its flammable, it just needs heating up first.



For diesel to be flammable it needs to be pressurised though and it wont get that from a hot engine, it will just evaporate. If it were to get onto the brakes then it would also evaporate so diesel is flammable but only if pressurised

Edited by: "DannyM" 11th Jul 2011
This sounds like a Zoolander petrol moment!

ps goto a garage and get it sorted.
oddballjamie

Getting a quote first is good advice when you know what the problem is, … Getting a quote first is good advice when you know what the problem is, ie an exhaust, brakes, tyres, aircon recharge, service. When you don't know the problem and it needs diagnosis to be carried out, a quote is useless. Citroen will charge around 70-90 an hour to investigate, I made the mistake of going to a 'specialist' when my Peugeot 307 hdi started playing up over £600 later on fuel pipes and fuel filter and two weeks of being messed about, they admitted they didn't know what was wrong, complaing hdi engines are complex. Then took it to Peugeot and spent another small fortune, finally I took it to a Citroen garage (WR Davies Stafford) who took care of my Xsara for five years and they fixed it straight away at a very good price.Btw the terrible Citroen Specialist is in Birchills Walsall, do not ever take a car there, unless you like being ripped off and having your calls ignored and the boss hiding when you want to make a complaint.



Mine is a HDi too, Just got a jump to get it ticking over today before it goes in tomorrow and the Airbag warning light came on and stayed on Getting sick of this car already lol
I will just leave it to the garage to sort but I do have a feeling they will be like yours, just replacing anything within a guess which will cost me hundreds.
Does it turn over quickly and for a long time off it's own battery?
greg_68

Does it turn over quickly and for a long time off it's own battery?



Yes would turn over for ages, but I dont want to wreck the car by doing it too much.

Just took it to a Citroen garage as its only down the road from me, They didnt want to say much about it, Want to charge me £79.99 plus VAT for a Citroen specific diagnostic test and would be £18 plus vat for each Glow plug and then £95 plus VAT labour. I will have to wait and see what my garage comes up with tomorrow lol
DannyM

For diesel to be flammable it needs to be pressurised though and it wont … For diesel to be flammable it needs to be pressurised though and it wont get that from a hot engine, it will just evaporate. If it were to get onto the brakes then it would also evaporate so diesel is flammable but only if pressurised


As I said before diesel has a higher flash point, about 60c I believe. Heat it upto that and it will light, over 200c and it will light up on its own. No pressure needed.
beth3735

Yes would turn over for ages, but I dont want to wreck the car by doing … Yes would turn over for ages, but I dont want to wreck the car by doing it too much.Just took it to a Citroen garage as its only down the road from me, They didnt want to say much about it, Want to charge me £79.99 plus VAT for a Citroen specific diagnostic test and would be £18 plus vat for each Glow plug and then £95 plus VAT labour. I will have to wait and see what my garage comes up with tomorrow lol



Hopefully it's something common and they can fix it quickly.
Apart from the engine fault, what do you think of the C3 from an owners view?
Reason I ask my partner is considering having a 1.4 petrol C3 as her first car.
oddballjamie

As I said before diesel has a higher flash point, about 60c I believe. … As I said before diesel has a higher flash point, about 60c I believe. Heat it upto that and it will light, over 200c and it will light up on its own. No pressure needed.




Flash point is 140DegF, if diesel is left lying around in say a litre on the ground it will evaporate and not light up. Your car engine does not get as hot as 200DegC or anywhere near unless its being truly ralleyed style hence it will never ignite in the car. If it were to be able to ignite in the car given the temperatures of an engine, you would need the diesel tank to be pressurised and then it could ignite. I am not denying that diesel can combust, (Correct terminology as anything that lights below 100DegF is flammable and anything above is combustable) It will only combust in the correct conditions.

Edited by: "DannyM" 11th Jul 2011
oddballjamie

Hopefully it's something common and they can fix it quickly.Apart from … Hopefully it's something common and they can fix it quickly.Apart from the engine fault, what do you think of the C3 from an owners view?Reason I ask my partner is considering having a 1.4 petrol C3 as her first car.



I love it apart from this. I have always needed a bigger car due to 3 kids and a buggy. But as youngest is now 3 and out of buggy I went for this. It fits 2 booster seats and 1 childs bum in the back with loads of space still. the front has loads of space for adults. When mine is running its a fab little car, I really do like it.
I used to go through £220 worth of petrol in my Vectra a month this one will do same distance but only cost me max of £75. I am getting about 55mpg when im doing my short stop start uphill journeys, and I got about 65mpg when I did mixed with a 4 hours motorway journey in middle.

Really hoping after this problem that it can become reliable and not just full of many faults.

my tax is £20 a year, new tyre cost around £30-£40 depending where you buy, Just seems all the cheapness in running is just becoming an expense in repairs lol
Google your city and Citroen specialist. See what turns up and give them a call.
beth3735

I love it apart from this. I have always needed a bigger car due to 3 … I love it apart from this. I have always needed a bigger car due to 3 kids and a buggy. But as youngest is now 3 and out of buggy I went for this. It fits 2 booster seats and 1 childs bum in the back with loads of space still. the front has loads of space for adults. When mine is running its a fab little car, I really do like it. I used to go through £220 worth of petrol in my Vectra a month this one will do same distance but only cost me max of £75. I am getting about 55mpg when im doing my short stop start uphill journeys, and I got about 65mpg when I did mixed with a 4 hours motorway journey in middle.Really hoping after this problem that it can become reliable and not just full of many faults.my tax is £20 a year, new tyre cost around £30-£40 depending where you buy, Just seems all the cheapness in running is just becoming an expense in repairs lol



That sounds great, I've always been a fan of French cars, they seem to ride very smooth.
I'll pass on the recommendation to my partner, could be an ideal car for her.
Wouldn't mind trading my Astra for a Citroen DS4 though
oddballjamie

That sounds great, I've always been a fan of French cars, they seem to … That sounds great, I've always been a fan of French cars, they seem to ride very smooth.I'll pass on the recommendation to my partner, could be an ideal car for her.Wouldn't mind trading my Astra for a Citroen DS4 though



Whats your astra?
DannyM

Flash point is 140DegF, if diesel is left lying around in say a litre on … Flash point is 140DegF, if diesel is left lying around in say a litre on the ground it will evaporate and not light up. Your car engine does not get as hot as 200DegC or anywhere near unless its being truly ralleyed style hence it will never ignite in the car. If it were to be able to ignite in the car given the temperatures of an engine, you would need the diesel tank to be pressurised and then it could ignite. I am not denying that diesel can combust, (Correct terminology as anything that lights below 100DegC is flammable and anything above is combustable) It will only combust in the correct conditions.



Flammable describes anything which has a flash point below 100C, as diesel has a flash point of 62C then it is flammable.
Anyway off subject, anything that could cause safety issues are best taking to a garage if you are unsure.
DannyM - It's a 60 plate 1.8vvt design sports hatch with panoramic windscreen in silver lightning.
I was looking at the DS4 today while waiting for a quote in the Citroen garage. Looks a nice car.

My sister has the Petrol C3 and has never had any issues, drives well for her. I just think I was destined to have issues with mine considering its 6 months newer than my sisters but I paid £2k less than her.

That's a bit of a bargain then as diesels generally have a higher resale value. Hopefully what you have saved in fuel and tax will more than cover the repair.
I'm pretty sure I told the op to avoid French cars in one of her previous thread's, oh well. One of those told you so moments.

Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.
shauneco

I'm pretty sure I told the op to avoid French cars in one of her previous … I'm pretty sure I told the op to avoid French cars in one of her previous thread's, oh well. One of those told you so moments. Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.



You did and you sound exactly like my husband with the I told you so comments lol. Must be why I ignored you as I ignore him too

Thank you, I really hope it doesn't too. I nearly did go back with Vauxhall after my vectra, But as I had 2 lovely running lagunas, then 1 dodgy scenic I really thought the french can't be that bad oO lol Paying the price now.
oddballjamie

DannyM - It's a 60 plate 1.8vvt design sports hatch with panoramic … DannyM - It's a 60 plate 1.8vvt design sports hatch with panoramic windscreen in silver lightning.



Shame im after an astra but insurance wise i can only go 1.6 and a 60 reg is too new for me
oddballjamie

Flammable describes anything which has a flash point below 100C, as … Flammable describes anything which has a flash point below 100C, as diesel has a flash point of 62C then it is flammable.Anyway off subject, anything that could cause safety issues are best taking to a garage if you are unsure.



Sorry again off topic, diesel doesnt have a flash point of 62DegC much higher since diesels flash point is around 140DegF and anything that ignites below 100DegF is flammable and anything above is combustable Diesel is there for a combustable fuel.

Sorry for the bad info earlier
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