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    Is it good economically and environmentally to create jobs that are low paid

    We all know agricultural, cleaning, retail and distribution jobs etc. are low paid, zero hour contracts, workers (which include all EU migrants) may get working tax credits, possibly earn too little to pay tax, etc.
    Would you ban or cut these jobs, as extra people in these following job need housing, hospitals, schools, doctors, parking spaces etc., these example services and others for convenience and cheaper prices? Instead many of these jobs need to convert to job for export growth outside of the EU anyway in post brexit landscape.
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    1/ Sunday shopping and Sunday work as 7 day coverage needs more working hours than 6 days
    2/ coffee shops etc. to shut more hours as more hours of service need more workers
    3/ shut down online shopping on Sundays as IT technical support needs Sunday out of hours service, surely enough hours for 6 days of 24 hours Web shopping, many of these IT support are outsourced abroad for out of hours support anyway.
    4/ pay much more for our fruit and veg , as can be shown in Brexit, British don't want too many migrant pickers populating some town like Wisbech.
    5/ go back to taking sandwiches and flask to work, iron own shirts etc.
    6/ saves energy by one woking day less, better for environment.
    ...and so on.
    In the backdrop of Hungary vote on migrant quota referendum vote today (2 Oct). Plus their lift of the ban on Sunday shopping ( Hungarians don't want to do low paid jobs in retail too). Some much prefer to work Sundays here in UK though. But migrants could do those Sunday low paid jobs in Hungary too.
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    But of course Hotukdeals still run 7/24 bit may be no good clicking onto link to buy, so loss of convenience.

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    and your point is? a lot of places don't do anything with your order until Monday anyway. I remember before Sunday trading and we survived, it was hard though not being able to shop on a Sunday not forgetting all those people who want to work Sunday (are you having a laugh) I have never met anyone who wants to work Sunday.

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    totally confused (not hard) but your 'information' is full of presumption and factual flaws...funny For YOU to be making these comments here on a Sunday morning..which inflames any argument...

    hiswife

    totally confused (not hard) but your 'information' is full of presumption … totally confused (not hard) but your 'information' is full of presumption and factual flaws...funny For YOU to be making these comments here on a Sunday morning..which inflames any argument...



    ​I am not making a political comment nor saying whether I agree or disagree...just not sure what point you are actually making...

    my Filipino maid says "yes it is"

    Pointless post.

    Could someone translate this into 'coherence' for me?

    I just wish supermarkets were open 24/7 - its 2016 ffs

    I need to grab some bit today but have to wait until 10.

    benjammin316

    I just wish supermarkets were open 24/7 - its 2016 ffsI need to grab some … I just wish supermarkets were open 24/7 - its 2016 ffsI need to grab some bit today but have to wait until 10.



    ​hang on while I get my violin out. don't you have a tesco local or a proper local shop.

    shadey12

    ​hang on while I get my violin out. don't you have a tesco local or a p … ​hang on while I get my violin out. don't you have a tesco local or a proper local shop.




    not for what I need to get, no.

    sooner stores go 24/7 the better.

    benjammin316

    I just wish supermarkets were open 24/7 - its 2016 ffsI need to grab some … I just wish supermarkets were open 24/7 - its 2016 ffsI need to grab some bit today but have to wait until 10.



    Agreed, the only place open 24/7 in my town is mcdonalds. Surely if they can do it Tesco can

    benjammin316

    not for what I need to get, no.sooner stores go 24/7 the better.



    ​business opportunity for someone then.

    My nearest shop is a asda its open 24 hours but not 24 hours today as its Sunday, I have no idea what the op is on about about but clearly the answer is to pay people a proper wage so they dont need top up benefits

    if it creates more jobs then low paid jobs with top up benefits aims to create a business friendly environment. We need a business friendly environment with so many countries competing with UK but maybe it shouldn't cover those industries which are captive such as supermarkets and other retail.

    Bit deep for a Sunday morning !

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    AStonedRaichu

    Agreed, the only place open 24/7 in my town is mcdonalds. Surely if they … Agreed, the only place open 24/7 in my town is mcdonalds. Surely if they can do it Tesco can



    ​yes, tesco could do it, given half a chance they would, then when all the competition has gone do you think they would look after their customers.

    Banned

    24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am are most certainly running at a loss at that time of the morning. We're all paying for it at the till.

    cchopps

    24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am … 24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am are most certainly running at a loss at that time of the morning. We're all paying for it at the till.



    ​agree most big retailers open because competitors open and so it continues.

    Those people that get those 'low paid' pointless jobs are making an effort (maybe due to personal circumstances) to work! What about those people that are on job seekers for no apparent reason other than laziness, everything's has to be paid for them!? Before we bought our own house last year we lived in a private rented house (£700 a month) and both worked full time and had a young daughter, the family next door but 1 to us lived in a council rented house (it had an extra bedroom to ours!) and they paid £160 a month and had 2 kids at school, neither of them worked! In their words 'they didn't need too' and them and who ever else is the same will carry on living this way while they can get away with it! So no do not stop these low paid jobs, thats someones relative trying to earn a decent wage!!

    cchopps

    24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am … 24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am are most certainly running at a loss at that time of the morning. We're all paying for it at the till.



    But the ones that have large weekly sales have a night fill team so they only have one extra member of staff to man the self serve tills. So the expected night sales should cover the extra person with ease. My local Tesco is no longer 24h and the night team moved to a twilight shift.

    a lot of shops that tried opening 24/7 are stopping because the customer flow just isn't there in the middle of the night. It's funny how no one even writes here " I want to work all through the night! " they want somebody else to for their occasional convenience.
    I work nights every 3 weeks and let me tell you it sucks big time, but I m lucky enough to get enhanced pay at night.
    Maybe we should let shops open 24/7 but everything you buy after 10pm has a "night tax" of 33% added, so the night shift get a decent wage?

    Haliviel

    a lot of shops that tried opening 24/7 are stopping because the customer … a lot of shops that tried opening 24/7 are stopping because the customer flow just isn't there in the middle of the night. It's funny how no one even writes here " I want to work all through the night! " they want somebody else to for their occasional convenience.I work nights every 3 weeks and let me tell you it sucks big time, but I m lucky enough to get enhanced pay at night.Maybe we should let shops open 24/7 but everything you buy after 10pm has a "night tax" of 33% added, so the night shift get a decent wage?



    ​no no no they can't take money out of their poor CEO and shareholders pockets to give to the staff.

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    mranderson1971

    Could someone translate this into 'coherence' for me?


    Simply, 7 day service including Sunday needs more working hours (people) than that for 5 days or 6 days. Assess for yourself the impacts of more working hours (and people), namely , look beyond the direct benefits or drawbacks.
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    By the way, Theresa May announced date for triggering article 50 for Brexit (before March 2017).

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    ellese

    Those people that get those 'low paid' pointless jobs are making an … Those people that get those 'low paid' pointless jobs are making an effort (maybe due to personal circumstances) to work! What about those people that are on job seekers for no apparent reason other than laziness, everything's has to be paid for them!? Before we bought our own house last year we lived in a private rented house (£700 a month) and both worked full time and had a young daughter, the family next door but 1 to us lived in a council rented house (it had an extra bedroom to ours!) and they paid £160 a month and had 2 kids at school, neither of them worked! In their words 'they didn't need too' and them and who ever else is the same will carry on living this way while they can get away with it! So no do not stop these low paid jobs, thats someones relative trying to earn a decent wage!!


    Good point, so you read it as a social good. A good news may be post Brexit, more workers may be need to convert over to making goods as it depends on what trade deals may be done outside of EU.
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    Or if we in UK Is a net importer of stuff from EU, massive trade deficit, folks need to be employed to make things again?!

    Those people that get those 'low paid' pointless jobs are making an effort (maybe due to personal circumstances) to work! What about those people that are on job seekers for no apparent reason other than laziness, everything's has to be paid for them!? Before we bought our own house last year we lived in a private rented house (£700 a month) and both worked full time and had a young daughter, the family next door but 1 to us lived in a council rented house (it had an extra bedroom to ours!) and they paid £160 a month and had 2 kids at school, neither of them worked! In their words 'they didn't need too' and them and who ever else is the same will carry on living this way while they can get away with it! So no do not stop these low paid jobs, thats someones relative trying to earn a decent wage!!

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    Predikuesi


    Haha, I would not need to buy one of these ever on a Sunday. Not an item to buy without days of looking around and comparing for the missus.

    you want to shut down online shopping to 6 days and increase supermarkets to 7 days lol. Asda up here, is open 365 days a year lol

    also is it good to create low paid jobs? would you want a low paid job? be honest!
    Edited by: "STRICKIBHOY" 2nd Oct 2016

    STRICKIBHOY

    you want to shut down online shopping to 6 days and increase supermarkets … you want to shut down online shopping to 6 days and increase supermarkets to 7 days lol. Asda up here, is open 365 days a year lolalso is it good to create low paid jobs? would you want a low paid job? be honest!



    ​low paid job versus unemployment...er low paid job.

    24/7 would kill overtime pay bonus and be bad for the employee

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    brendanhickey

    24/7 would kill overtime pay bonus and be bad for the employee


    True, the company that I had worked for, removed overtime payment and double time about 10 years' ago.

    brendanhickey

    24/7 would kill overtime pay bonus and be bad for the employee



    Not if standard pay rate shifts are a fixed duration of hours.

    Nobody is expecting an employee to work 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.

    splender

    ...2/ coffee shops etc. to shut more hours as more hours of service need … ...2/ coffee shops etc. to shut more hours as more hours of service need more workers



    Wut?

    cchopps

    24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am … 24/7 shopping is totally unnecessary. Supermarkets operating at 2.00am are most certainly running at a loss at that time of the morning. We're all paying for it at the till.




    Its pretty much just self service after 11pm and the only staff are security guards

    davewave

    ​low paid job versus unemployment...er low paid job.




    Why when it makes no difference, the low paid worker gets tax credits and housing benefit, their pay is below tax threshold, meanwhile their employer gets to stash all their cash overseas avoid paying as much tax as they can and grab any government subs they can get.

    Error440

    Why when it makes no difference, the low paid worker gets tax credits … Why when it makes no difference, the low paid worker gets tax credits and housing benefit, their pay is below tax threshold, meanwhile their employer gets to stash all their cash overseas avoid paying as much tax as they can and grab any government subs they can get.


    Which employers are you referring to, given the fact I said (but maybe it shouldn't cover those industries which are captive such as supermarkets and other retail.)

    davewave

    ​low paid job versus unemployment...er low paid job.



    ​ low paid jobs don't cover all your needs like rent gas electricity and the rest, you'll still need help! wouldn't you like to earn more? if so would you take it or say no thanks lol

    Local Councils could drastically cut the number of 'private hire' licences they issue and cut planning permission to the hundreds of fried chicken/pizza outlets that proliferate our high streets, and that would have the added bonus of making the roads safer and less congested, reduce emissions etc. and make us all healthier in the process.


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    Fred Smith

    Local Councils could drastically cut the number of 'private hire' … Local Councils could drastically cut the number of 'private hire' licences they issue and cut planning permission to the hundreds of fried chicken/pizza outlets that proliferate our high streets, and that would have the added bonus of making the roads safer and less congested, reduce emissions etc. and make us all healthier in the process.


    I think you may have a point , but what about those who always click to buy things they didn't think they needed or wanted on Hotukdeals and get deliveries?

    STRICKIBHOY

    ​ low paid jobs don't cover all your needs like rent gas electricity and t … ​ low paid jobs don't cover all your needs like rent gas electricity and the rest, you'll still need help! wouldn't you like to earn more? if so would you take it or say no thanks lol


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