Is November the 5th dying out?

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Found 28th Oct 2017
Plenty of festival of lights stuff round here which this year has manifested itself as loads of xmas led lights in windows as well as firework's every night.

The shops are full of Halloween stuff, poundland looked like a riot took place in the Halloween section yesterday so i guess a lot of people are having parties and it seems to get bigger every year.

But there's nothing for Guy Fawkes there will be a few public fireworks displays but is it falling away due to lack of commercialism, its all fireworks, cinder toffee, toffee, apples, baked potatoes, sausages and toasted marshmallows, theres no focus for shops after selling sweets for Halloween, do we need to allow for more, the bonfire has gone out of favour, do we need to bring back the guy? Shops can sell effigies maybe like them mexican ones you can beat to make sweets fall out, we needed dedicated food only for this time of year in the same way as we get hot crossed buns and easter eggs.

There must be a reason why its falling behind these other things
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Just checked my calendar in the kitchen, on my phone and computer. Can confirm that November 5th is still there.

Will be posting mini rockets through peoples letterboxes, with the kids again this year. Can't wait.
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Import of cultures from around the world is the main theme. In this case, the Americanisation of the England, note , less so in Scotland, NI and Wales.

How Halloween Has Taken Over England (is one explanation of this decline)

Overall , it is the declining of self-identify in favour of globalisation assisted by big global players. Here, Black Friday is a classic.

Some people blame our loss of identity on foreign countries, like EU, some people love the loss of our identify in preference of their lifestyle choice, like USA. We are duplicitious on the whole.
Edited by: "splender" 28th Oct 2017
I think it’s just as popular, just not commercialised like Christmas and Halloween
I think a lot of it is down to more and more different types of Fireworks being banned. You can’t get the cheaper Fireworks anymore, whistle and bang rockets, Bangers and airbombs. I remember you could get 10 rockets for £1.50, 5 airbombs for a squid – you could have a lot of fun for a tenner. I think anti social behaviour plays a part in their banning. I’ve noticed less and less fireworks being set off every year, here it peaked in around 2004 where it was like a warzone. Councils restricting bonfires, locking up areas used for them and the fire brigaded being a tad overzealous doesn’t help matters.
splender14 m ago

Import of cultures from around the world is the main theme. In this case, …Import of cultures from around the world is the main theme. In this case, the Americanisation of the England, note , less so in Scotland, NI and Wales.How Halloween Has Taken Over England (is one explanation of this decline)Overall , it is the declining of self-identify in favour of globalisation assisted by big global players. Here, Black Friday is a classic.Some people blame our loss of identity on foreign countries, like EU, some people love the loss of our identify in preference of their lifestyle choice, like USA. We are duplicitious on the whole.


Technically speaking its going full circle Halloween pre dates America but it went out of favour and we are importing the American version.

You have to admit it has a focus its gone from being cheeky for a night and carving turnips to the admittedly attractive image of the bright orange pumpkin and sweets for the kids.

It screaming commercialism in the same way as Christmas does now days, thus its promotion.

Guy Fawkes night on the other has been downgraded to fireworks night or bonfire night seemingly losing its focal point, the guy is a no show as is the bonfire increasingly and theres nothing for the shops to get behind to promote it.
freakstyler6 m ago

I think a lot of it is down to more and more different types of Fireworks …I think a lot of it is down to more and more different types of Fireworks being banned. You can’t get the cheaper Fireworks anymore, whistle and bang rockets, Bangers and airbombs. I remember you could get 10 rockets for £1.50, 5 airbombs for a squid – you could have a lot of fun for a tenner. I think anti social behaviour plays a part in their banning. I’ve noticed less and less fireworks being set off every year, here it peaked in around 2004 where it was like a warzone. Councils restricting bonfires, locking up areas used for them and the fire brigaded being a tad overzealous doesn’t help matters.



That's an important factor.
I am sure we will see a few Maybots around this year
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freakstyler13 m ago

I think a lot of it is down to more and more different types of Fireworks …I think a lot of it is down to more and more different types of Fireworks being banned. You can’t get the cheaper Fireworks anymore, whistle and bang rockets, Bangers and airbombs. I remember you could get 10 rockets for £1.50, 5 airbombs for a squid – you could have a lot of fun for a tenner. I think anti social behaviour plays a part in their banning. I’ve noticed less and less fireworks being set off every year, here it peaked in around 2004 where it was like a warzone. Councils restricting bonfires, locking up areas used for them and the fire brigaded being a tad overzealous doesn’t help matters.


I don't know i want Catherine wheels to come back, round where i was a kid everyone just used to throw snap bangs about and them red cap things for cap guns got chucked on the fire, your right about the lack of home done bonfires tho and the lack of involvement of local councils, all the festival of lights stuff is temples its 3 religion's celebrating so plenty of organised events.

My local council do nothing for guy Fawkes I'm lucky to be a few stops on the tube away from Hammersmith, i believe ravenscourt park fireworks spectaculars is one of the biggest in London, i think the biggest is crystal palace but I've never been there.
celebrating a failed terrorism plot ? too many people affected by successful ones lately

that and the expense of burning money, just means its lost favour with a lot of people i guess
Edited by: "mrwhitelabel" 28th Oct 2017
Dont worry just a different part of the cycle.
It's fine where I live, maybe home ones have reduced, but I think shows are more prevalent and cheaper.
Just checked my calendar in the kitchen, on my phone and computer. Can confirm that November 5th is still there.

For me its kind of a non event. Have seen many fireworks as a kid and now once you have seen a decent firework display you have seen them all. Halloween is also a non event, due to the geography of our house we never get any kids trick or treating.

If I had kids I would go to an organised display, pie and pies, bonfire toffee etc
Will be posting mini rockets through peoples letterboxes, with the kids again this year. Can't wait.
this just reminded me of my favourite bonfire night - at Center Parcs with a firework display over the lake. We stood on the makeshift sandy beach
other than that can't really say I notice, what with all the other 'fireworks' going off at various times of the year round here!
There are a lot of consumer drones out following what the major shops put out and what tv tells them to buy.

Certantly in my area we have a lot of fireworks around the 5th.
I enjoy reading the news on November the 6th of how many idiots have been hurt because of the misuse of fireworks and fires.
It almost makes the constant fireworks from mid October to late January worthwhile.
I don't like the commercialisation of Christmas or Halloween. Am sick of trick or treaters coming round wishing me happy Halloween. What is happy about a night where ghosts and ghouls roam the earth? I'm not sure I'd want any more attention on guy fawkes night or else that would just be another reason to empty my pockets. I don't like bonfires and fireworks and burning human effigies isn't very politically correct any more. I'd just be happy if the kids were taught the historical reasons for these festivals rather than considering them a sweetie free for all.
There does seem to be a lack of commercialisation, I'm surprised the shops aren't selling pre-made Trump, Corbin and May dummies for people to stuff with newspaper and burn on Guy Fawkes night.
psychobitchfromhell26 m ago

I don't like the commercialisation of Christmas or Halloween. Am sick of …I don't like the commercialisation of Christmas or Halloween. Am sick of trick or treaters coming round wishing me happy Halloween. What is happy about a night where ghosts and ghouls roam the earth? I'm not sure I'd want any more attention on guy fawkes night or else that would just be another reason to empty my pockets. I don't like bonfires and fireworks and burning human effigies isn't very politically correct any more. I'd just be happy if the kids were taught the historical reasons for these festivals rather than considering them a sweetie free for all.



Have you not watched The Walking Dead? I’d be pretty happy living in that world.
Edited by: "Biddy2" 28th Oct 2017
Biddy24 m ago

Have you not watched The Walking Dead? I’d be pretty happy living in that w …Have you not watched The Walking Dead? I’d be pretty happy living in that world.


Well it would certainly be interesting
joesmum3 h, 18 m ago

this just reminded me of my favourite bonfire night - at Center Parcs with …this just reminded me of my favourite bonfire night - at Center Parcs with a firework display over the lake. We stood on the makeshift sandy beach other than that can't really say I notice, what with all the other 'fireworks' going off at various times of the year round here!



Haven't been to a firework display since the one held at my junior school when I was a little kid, the idiots running it set about two fireworks off before setting light to one of the cardboard boxes packed with fireworks, the crowd at the back pushed forward, as all they could see was a few sparks and flashes over people heads, and didn't know what was going on, then everyone started running. Luckily only one or two rockets whizzed through the crowd and somehow missed everyone.

Didn't even get a refund.


We used to celebrate Halloween when I was a kid with a barbecue, trick or treat hadn't been invented in the UK then.
Edited by: "melted" 28th Oct 2017
I don't know. Bonfire night is one for kids isn't it? So it doesn't affect me. I'm not likely to go to a display on my own, I can see most of it from my window and I have to make sure cat is alright anyway.

I love carving pumpkins, so Halloween always had something for me. Even if I don't dress up or trick or treat.

Bonfire night didn't mean anything to me apart from fireworks. When I was a kid there weren't sausages, or cinder toffee, or whatever else. There was probably watching fireworks from outside the main event and being told I couldn't have a glowstick necklace.

I'd argue fireworks night is more expensive. How much does it cost to get into a display these days? Pumpkins cost pence and one can always make some sort of costume or of a bin bag, some eyeliner and random other thing one has at home.
MSK.34 m ago

I don't know. Bonfire night is one for kids isn't it? So it doesn't …I don't know. Bonfire night is one for kids isn't it? So it doesn't affect me. I'm not likely to go to a display on my own, I can see most of it from my window and I have to make sure cat is alright anyway.I love carving pumpkins, so Halloween always had something for me. Even if I don't dress up or trick or treat.Bonfire night didn't mean anything to me apart from fireworks. When I was a kid there weren't sausages, or cinder toffee, or whatever else. There was probably watching fireworks from outside the main event and being told I couldn't have a glowstick necklace.I'd argue fireworks night is more expensive. How much does it cost to get into a display these days? Pumpkins cost pence and one can always make some sort of costume or of a bin bag, some eyeliner and random other thing one has at home.


Nothing you stand outside and the go for beer and chips
Yes, we're becoming more American by the day.
Segata-Sanshiro43 m ago

Nothing you stand outside and the go for beer and chips


I myself will be standing at the bedroom window watching for free the display they are putting on at the rugby ground next door.
splender9 h, 21 m ago

Import of cultures from around the world is the main theme. In this case, …Import of cultures from around the world is the main theme. In this case, the Americanisation of the England, note , less so in Scotland, NI and Wales.How Halloween Has Taken Over England (is one explanation of this decline)Overall , it is the declining of self-identify in favour of globalisation assisted by big global players. Here, Black Friday is a classic.Some people blame our loss of identity on foreign countries, like EU, some people love the loss of our identify in preference of their lifestyle choice, like USA. We are duplicitious on the whole.

Londonderry hosts Europe's biggest Halloween parade and party. Might wish to rethink part of that!
cecilmcroberts1 h, 0 m ago

Londonderry hosts Europe's biggest Halloween parade and party. Might wish …Londonderry hosts Europe's biggest Halloween parade and party. Might wish to rethink part of that!



You "biggest" is abstract compared to best means.
I've never understood the appeal of fireworks. It's just coloured lights in the sky...what's the big deal?

Having a house full of animals it's more of a pain in the buttocks than anything else so I for one will be happy if the whole thing dies out.
splender11 h, 31 m ago

You "biggest" is abstract compared to best means.

Lol. Did you notice the first comment on the article?.
Satan_Claws44 m ago

I've never understood the appeal of fireworks. It's just coloured lights …I've never understood the appeal of fireworks. It's just coloured lights in the sky...what's the big deal?Having a house full of animals it's more of a pain in the buttocks than anything else so I for one will be happy if the whole thing dies out.


Don't have a house full of animals then
Segata-Sanshiro12 m ago

Don't have a house full of animals then


Easier not to have fireworks, you say they're dying out anyway
cecilmcroberts27 m ago

Lol. Did you notice the first comment on the article?.


Yes I noticed, what was in your mind in this question ?
MSK.1 h, 2 m ago

Easier not to have fireworks, you say they're dying out anyway


Fireworks are a few times a year, your pets will be eating and crapping etc for decades
Segata-Sanshiro30 m ago

Fireworks are a few times a year, your pets will be eating and crapping …Fireworks are a few times a year, your pets will be eating and crapping etc for decades


So will your kid, for even longer. Perhaps you should get rid of him so you can party more.
Segata-Sanshiro1 h, 50 m ago

Fireworks are a few times a year, your pets will be eating and crapping …Fireworks are a few times a year, your pets will be eating and crapping etc for decades


Me having pets does not affect anyone else.
The noise from fireworks is annoying to anyone who is not interested in them.
How would you feel if someone decided to stand outside your house firing a starter pistol every 30 seconds for a week? They would be charged with disturbing the peace.

I understand some people like fireworks and thats fine, what annoys me is they started going off Friday night and a nearby display is scheduled for the 11th. So firweworks "night" goes on for at least 16 days!!!
It's a sectarian event. Outside of Northern Ireland and Glasgow such issues don't concern many people these days.
MSK.19 h, 19 m ago

So will your kid, for even longer. Perhaps you should get rid of him so …So will your kid, for even longer. Perhaps you should get rid of him so you can party more.


He can clean up his own crap, doesn't do it in public, doesn't attack wildlife and doesn't act stupid around fireworks. He will do something useful when he grows up aswell.
Satan_Claws18 h, 4 m ago

Me having pets does not affect anyone else.The noise from fireworks is …Me having pets does not affect anyone else.The noise from fireworks is annoying to anyone who is not interested in them.How would you feel if someone decided to stand outside your house firing a starter pistol every 30 seconds for a week? They would be charged with disturbing the peace.I understand some people like fireworks and thats fine, what annoys me is they started going off Friday night and a nearby display is scheduled for the 11th. So firweworks "night" goes on for at least 16 days!!!


I wouldn't care l'm used to things like that, its called urban living i have planes and helicopters flying over my home many times a day.

Thats because its the festival of lights for a week then Halloween and then Guy Fawkes
Segata-Sanshiro12 h, 48 m ago

He can clean up his own crap, doesn't do it in public, doesn't attack …He can clean up his own crap, doesn't do it in public, doesn't attack wildlife and doesn't act stupid around fireworks. He will do something useful when he grows up aswell.



Does he take after his father or his mother?
Been out as every year to watch the display from the back garden




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