Found 24th Jan 2009
Sorta a rant but errr....

Complicated situation I'm in, but a good friend (well was now) has been stealing loads of stuff from other friends, and I've tried talking to him and making him confess but he denies all the accusations I've thrown at him. The accusations I've thrown are the following, and why I accused him of them:

- Ipod went missing from a friends house when there were only a few of us, I knew all of them well except one guy who I'll call. At first I suspected guy but then later it came to my attention that was spotted with the exact same iPod that went missing, and earlier this week I saw him with it.

I asked him where he got it from, and he said he borrowed it from his friend. I regarded this as a complete lie because he already has an iPod, and why would someone borrow an iPod, or lend someone one?

- A phone went missing which we matched IMEI numbers up and the guys who it previously was, (well it was his mums work phone, important NHS psychiatrist details were on the sim and the sim was destroyed so my friends mum risks losing her job for this). He still denied the other thefts I accused him of.

- He stole another friends t shirt and sold it to a guy for a fiver which he confessed to and he said he doesn't regret it. I strongly suggested that he should buy her a new one or the one back seeing as he sold it to a friend. He said he doesn't care. I found this extremely annoying as he has no regard for anyone else apart from himself.

- On New Years Eve, the guys party we were at had £40 worth of HMV vouchers which were a Christmas present from his mother go missing. He knew and trusted everyone else there apart from this bloke who's been accused of stealing other stuff, and with the previous evidence presented, I think we can safely say it is him.

So now since he won't admit to it and there's no evidence to prove it was him, I need to get the Ipod and the vouchers back or their monetary value. He still has the iPod. Also I need to get the t shirt back to the girl or money to buy a new one. I've tried reasoning with him but he's an absolute tw*t so it's not going so well.

My question is, would it be OK and understandable to steal the items back from him along with funds to cover the stuff I'm unable to retrieve? The girl whose t shirt got nicked wants to get him beaten up and all and I said first we should try to get the items back and then decide his punishment, but he seems impossible to reason so maybe she might be right with the violence. But meh, the retrieving the items back is the main priority at the moment.

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some people have OCD, they cant help themselves. i used to know someone in college like that. the day we found out, he was pinching the free CDs off mags we were so horrified/shocked we turned and walked away LOL. the thing is he's rich!!! crazy isnt it.

saying that, is this illegal?

http://jointhealing.com/graphics/bracemeasure/innovation-measure.jpg

Police?

would it be OK and understandable to steal the items back from him along with funds to cover the stuff I'm unable to retrieve?
Hell yeh

What comes around, goes around.

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cdemico;4169831

Police?



Would rather not, he knows a few illegal things we do on the occasion. Well I quit, but others haven't.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Call the police if you are 100% sure of your facts.

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He's been stealing from friends a month so far that we know of, I hope not longer. He's always been stealing from shops and businesses because he believes that company's make enough money and retain the wealth for themselves so fair enough with that but stealing from friends is just really out of order in my opinion.

Another way to put it is, Do Onto Others as They would do onto You!

pikachu12;4169841

Would rather not, he knows a few illegal things we do on the occasion. … Would rather not, he knows a few illegal things we do on the occasion. Well I quit, but others haven't.



Well you are as bad as he is then.

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deathtrap3000;4169845

Another way to put it is, Do Onto Others as They would do onto You!



It's a shame I'm not religious

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Inactive;4169846

Well you are as bad as he is then.



No because I don't do damage to others in the illegal acts I used to commit. Can you say you've never smoked pot?

pikachu12;4169850

No because I don't do damage to others in the illegal acts I used to … No because I don't do damage to others in the illegal acts I used to commit. Can you say you've never smoked pot?



Yes, hand on heart, never touched the vile stuff.

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Inactive;4169863

Yes, hand on heart, never touched the vile stuff.



I think that's quite good of you.
But you have to keep an open mind, just because someone does something illegal doesn't make them a bad person.

I would say that someone who steals from his mates must be pretty desperate - perhaps theres a deeper/bigger problem

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wobinb;4169871

I would say that someone who steals from his mates must be pretty … I would say that someone who steals from his mates must be pretty desperate - perhaps theres a deeper/bigger problem



His best mate who helped expose the problem told us told us he's changed a lot since this new girlfriend of his and apparently she's a major influence on him and it's possibly the reason for it all. However, even if it is "because of her" I still believe this guy's somewhat responsible, I've given him the opportunity to confess plenty of times, but he hasn't, it just gets more and more frustrating every time he lies.

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kippy;4169830

some people have OCD, they cant help themselves. i used to know someone … some people have OCD, they cant help themselves. i used to know someone in college like that. the day we found out, he was pinching the free CDs off mags we were so horrified/shocked we turned and walked away LOL. the thing is he's rich!!! crazy isnt it.saying that, is this illegal?



lol wut? (the pic)

Why do YOU have to retrieve these things? Can't the people he stole from get their own things back?

Must admit I don't feel too bad about the iea of you stealing the items back from him, and perhaps one or two of his treasured possessions (not other stolen stuff) - maybe over a period fo time,if you have it, to give him a taste of his own medicine.
I suspect he has a problem, but he's escalated if he's targetting friends and is now *****ing in his own back yard, so to speak.
Best punishement you can deal out is after you've stolen back the goods, borrowed some of his treasured possessions, return them all together and then drop him like a hot potato.
He is no friend of yours.

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SqueakyDust;4169880

Why do YOU have to retrieve these things? Can't the people he stole from … Why do YOU have to retrieve these things? Can't the people he stole from get their own things back?Must admit I don't feel too bad about the iea of you stealing the items back from him, and perhaps one or two of his treasured possessions (not other stolen stuff) - maybe over a period fo time,if you have it, to give him a taste of his own medicine.I suspect he has a problem, but he's escalated if he's targetting friends and is now *****ing in his own back yard, so to speak.Best punishement you can deal out is after you've stolen back the goods, borrowed some of his treasured possessions, return them all together and then drop him like a hot potato.He is no friend of yours.



Because no one else was standing up to him. Sure loads of people were talking behind his back about what a c*nt he is, but no one actually asked him to give the items back before me. I originally intended to steal the items back, but this girl brought up the fact that two wrongs don't make a right and she was right in that aspect and suggested I talk to him. That didn't work, so I guess it's stealing items back or police.

so its not that he's short of cash? he is using the ipods, phone etc himself?

sounds like he needs some specialist psychiatric help

why not speak to him as a group, if you are all together, there isn't much he can argue

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wobinb;4169890

so its not that he's short of cash? he is using the ipods, phone etc … so its not that he's short of cash? he is using the ipods, phone etc himself?sounds like he needs some specialist psychiatric help



Nope, he even had a phone and an iPod. If he needs money he gets EMA and he could go into work. Coincidentally the phone he stole belonged to a top NHS psychologist who's about to lose her job.

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wobinb;4169892

why not speak to him as a group, if you are all together, there isn't … why not speak to him as a group, if you are all together, there isn't much he can argue



Actually a good suggestion, I'm kinda worried he'll feel threatened though and less inclined to give up the possessions, but I'll give it a go on Monday :thumbsup:

i've been living with other students and young people for the last 10 years, sitting and talking things over - as a group - seems to settle most arguements

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Cool, if this doesn't go to plan, I think I'll probably get the police involved. If he exposes my friends as drug users, I'll argue with the police that his allegations are false and he's got nothing to prove it. And possibly inform them of his cocaine problem which would probably make him see a psychiatrist.

pikachu12;4169841

Would rather not, he knows a few illegal things we do on the occasion. … Would rather not, he knows a few illegal things we do on the occasion. Well I quit, but others haven't.



Dont meen to be rude but if you are hanging around with people doing illegal stuff then then they are hardly gona be the most moral of people so cant really be shocked that they start stealing to possible fund there illegal habits.....

lol, as long as you and your mates don't have any substances on you your fine, ask for the stuff back again and say you will get the police involved.

That should do it

i say there is probably a deeper prob here - a friend of mine went through this and turned out they were using drugs thanks to a new boyfriend - but i would say to this guy that you are going to the police to let them investigate, especially with the phone being so important, you can use that as excuse saying that the ladys work insist she goes to the police, maybe drop into the conversation that you wish the stuff would just be put back so that it wasn't necessary to do this - if you couldn't say it yourself then get someone else to mention it casually to him - don't go the violence route though, someone innocent allways gets hurt and there is always a chance, slim as it seems, that it isn't him! let us know what happens and i would go to the police coz it is theft.

write it off to a bad experience and keep him out of your circle of friends...
if you 'steal' the items back it could backfire on you,,, unless you can prove 100% that the items are yours/your friends..

pikachu12;4169893

Coincidentally the phone he stole belonged to a top NHS psychologist … Coincidentally the phone he stole belonged to a top NHS psychologist who's about to lose her job.



Why should she lose her job for the sake of your so called 'friend'?

Surely she should have reported the theft to the police and let them deal with the 'friend'

If you 'recover' the items you are not stealing them, just taking back what belong to you, it's not stealing back, it's recovering! As for the smoking pot, don't let that cloud the issue, smoking pot is not illegal, possession is. It's not even in the same league as theft.

I would get the group together and collectively tell him you know he has these things and tell him you want them back or he'll be reported for theft. Then stop associating with him.

Good luck.

Give him a blanket party "shield stylee"

"Kidnapping Julien and covering him with a blanket, they (along with other enraged cops) delivered a brutal nightstick beating to the innocent cop."

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1633l.jpg

wend;4170204

write it off to a bad experience and keep him out of your circle of … write it off to a bad experience and keep him out of your circle of friends...



+1

If indeed you say the sim card was destroyed and that is the reason why someone might loose their job, the retrieval of the phone will not make a difference. You should just count your losses and forget about him. No one needs people like this in their lives.

pikachu12;4169910

Cool, if this doesn't go to plan, I think I'll probably get the police … Cool, if this doesn't go to plan, I think I'll probably get the police involved. If he exposes my friends as drug users, I'll argue with the police that his allegations are false and he's got nothing to prove it. And possibly inform them of his cocaine problem which would probably make him see a psychiatrist.


Wow, drugs really do make you paranoid :roll:

Half the people who get arrested for any crime use drugs and are quite open about it, and the police don't usually bother acting on that, what makes you think they'll give 2 hoots about your mates if they're otherwise behaving themselves?

Grow a backbone... confront him, say you want your stuff back if not beat the **** outta him. Have no time for ppl who steal, and hes not really a friend is he. Oh and just say to his face that you dont want him hanging around you and tell him to **** off

Steal a few of his teeth by punching him in the face... then deny it and allow him to take the bitterness of his own meds. When you've made up by giving his teeth back, tell him to put them under his pillow then steal the cash from the tooth fairy, this gain you bonus points.
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