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    Is the PS3 Jailbreak hack finished??? or is there light at the end of the tunnel!

    Does anyone else think that the ps3 jailbreak hack is finished now that games are being released with encryption keys that only consoles with firmware 3.50 and 3.55 can unlock to play?

    I myself have been keeping a close eye on the development of the hack but as of right now nobody seems to have a solution to get new games to work on jailbroken consoles with 3.41 firmware.

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    DEALofaLifetime

    Does anyone else think that the ps3 jailbreak hack is finished now that … Does anyone else think that the ps3 jailbreak hack is finished now that games are being released with encryption keys that only consoles with firmware 3.50 and 3.55 can unlock to play? I myself have been keeping a close eye on the development of the hack but as of right now nobody seems to have a solution to get new games to work on jailbroken consoles with 3.41 firmware.



    You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 & support the video games industry, rather than helping to destroy it & ruin the livelihoods of those employed within it.

    BFN,

    fp.

    fanpages

    You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 … You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 & support the video games industry, rather than helping to destroy it & ruin the livelihoods of those employed within it.BFN,fp.



    And lose some of the Legitimate features you wanted when you bought the PS3 ie Linux doesn't seem to want to work both ways. If sony brand everyone as pirates it's hardly surprising people get hacked off and become one
    Edited by: "newbie1001" 15th Dec 2010

    Cheapskate. Gaming doesn't have to expensive these days with trade ins available in many high streets up and down the country.

    Original Poster

    fanpages

    You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 … You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 & support the video games industry, rather than helping to destroy it & ruin the livelihoods of those employed within it.BFN,fp.



    [email protected] sony police ^^

    I merely asked if the psjailbreak scene was now finished, but I never stated in my post I had a jailbroken ps3 which was a assumption by you oO
    Edited by: "DEALofaLifetime" 15th Dec 2010

    Original Poster

    andybrickles

    Cheapskate. Gaming doesn't have to expensive these days with trade ins … Cheapskate. Gaming doesn't have to expensive these days with trade ins available in many high streets up and down the country.



    Cheapskate! huh! coming from a person posting on a bargain hunting site (_;)
    Edited by: "DEALofaLifetime" 15th Dec 2010

    newbie1001

    And lose some of the Legitimate features you wanted when you bought the … And lose some of the Legitimate features you wanted when you bought the PS3 ie Linux doesn't seem to want to work both ways



    "OtherOS" support was removed in Update 3.21.

    You can always seek a refund of the original purchase price equivalent to the benefit of that feature that is now missing.

    I have read cases of where Amazon (UK) & J. Sainsbury plc partly-refunded their customers for the loss of that function.

    BFN,

    fp.

    Banned

    fanpages

    You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 … You could just update your firmware to Official Sony System Software 3.55 & support the video games industry, rather than helping to destroy it & ruin the livelihoods of those employed within it.BFN,fp.



    And how about Linux, homebrew apps, emulators, additional features, extra options, extra customisations, homebrew games?
    Edited by: "KillFelix" 15th Dec 2010

    DEALofaLifetime

    [email protected] sony police ^^ I merely asked if the psjailbreak scene was now … [email protected] sony police ^^ I merely asked if the psjailbreak scene was now finished, but I never stated in my post I had a jailbroken ps3 which was a assumption by you oO



    Do you have a "jailbroken" PS3?

    BFN,

    fp.

    fanpages

    "OtherOS" support was removed in Update 3.21.You can always seek a refund … "OtherOS" support was removed in Update 3.21.You can always seek a refund of the original purchase price equivalent to the benefit of that feature that is now missing.I have read cases of where Amazon (UK) & J. Sainsbury plc partly-refunded their customers for the loss of that function.BFN,fp.



    Yes I had to update for GT5, bought mine from currys on release date, cant see me ever getting anything back from them. Before you ask I did use the linux feature (which is why I only just updated), but it has spent most of the last year folding.

    Banned

    Piracy has never harmed the gaming industry. Games have been copied since it was a niche industry in the 80s and it managed to become a multi-billion pound industry overtaking the film one. If anyone would like to show a correlation in annual games and consoles sales figures before a console was hacked and after that support the theory Piracy harms the industry then I may changed my mind on the subject.

    If anything I'd say there is strong evidence to sugegst that Piracy has helped the industry become as big as it has. The PS1 really started the explosion in popularity after it got hacked (by blutack then by chipping). I would say it has helped both the Wii and the the 360 increase console sales and I'm sure we'll see the same effect on PS3 sales once the scene settles.

    fanpages

    "OtherOS" support was removed in Update 3.21.You can always seek a refund … "OtherOS" support was removed in Update 3.21.You can always seek a refund of the original purchase price equivalent to the benefit of that feature that is now missing.I have read cases of where Amazon (UK) & J. Sainsbury plc partly-refunded their customers for the loss of that function.BFN,fp.



    Bought mine from Zavvi though so there wasn't much chance of that.

    Touche!

    OP, you can play games that require 3.50 on a jailbreak'd PS3. You can also upgrade to 3.50 play whatever game you want and then just use psdowngrade to take you back to 3.41 or whatever.

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    DVS_Dee

    OP, you canplay games that require 3.50 on a jailbreak'd PS3. You can … OP, you canplay games that require 3.50 on a jailbreak'd PS3. You can also upgrade to 3.50 play whatever game you want and then just use psdowngrade to take you back to 3.41 or whatever.



    I think sony killed off the downgrading hack with their latest update 3.55 or am I mistaken?

    3.55 is just a waste of space at the moment anyway with no need to upgrade to it. The scene will never be finished the hackers see it has a challenge to break new codes.
    Edited by: "newbie1001" 15th Dec 2010

    master_chief

    Piracy has never harmed the gaming industry. Games have been copied since … Piracy has never harmed the gaming industry. Games have been copied since it was a niche industry in the 80s and it managed to become a multi-billion pound industry overtaking the film one. If anyone would like to show a correlation in annual games and consoles sales figures before a console was hacked and after that support the theory Piracy harms the industry then I may changed my mind on the subject.If anything I'd say there is strong evidence to sugegst that Piracy has helped the industry become as big as it has. The PS1 really started the explosion in popularity after it got hacked (by blutack then by chipping). I would say it has helped both the Wii and the the 360 increase console sales and I'm sure we'll see the same effect on PS3 sales once the scene settles.



    No-one is going to be able to produce figures for the number of games (or films, for that matter) used illegally or copied (with or without the intention of playing) on an annual basis. Games are copied these days because they can be; not due to necessity. Figures quoted are only estimates based on percentage of legitimate sales of games or physical sales of hardware.

    I take your point that the piracy of software has helped the industry with sales of later generations of hardware, though, as acceptance of the video games console from the "back bedroom" environment (as was the case before & during the decade you mentioned above) to the family room was only possible due to widespread appeal (helping sell more by association between family & friends).

    However, do not forget that the price of video games hardware in the period you mentioned in relation to the average annual household income was much higher than it is today. Hardware retail prices have fallen as technology has improved. It is now not uncommon for one household to have more than one console, whereas back in the 1980s you were lucky to find one or two households in the same street with a games console due to the initial outlay & ongoing costs.

    Software (as well as the cost of pre-recorded video cassettes) was also relatively expensive. In the case of the original PlayStation you mentioned (during the 1990s) the recommended retail price of CD-ROM based games was regularly above £40, sometimes nearer to £50, with no hope of a significant fall in price for at least three months, possibly even six or more.

    If you compare those prices with the costs of the games of today (with much higher production, advertising, & marketing costs) & the fact that the average disposal income has risen (not necessarily in-line with inflation) the outlay for a single game is now less of a burden financially. Prior to the recent downfall of the worldwide economic climate, I am sure you purchased more than one new game a month because you could afford to. You may even still do that today. Twenty to thirty years ago buying more than one game every few months was a luxury. Well, it was for me, anyway!

    You only have to read through the previous (now locked) "Jailbreak" discussion "Misc" thread & count the number of Microsoft console-favouring HotUKDeals members that showed interest in the Sony console when they believed they never had to buy any software for it. That was the same thread where I tried to raise the point of piracy harming the industry & you dismissed the example I gave about a software developer going out of business due to the lack of sales at that very point in time.

    Piracy also helps with legitimate sales if the same console's security is ever regained. Those that have come to rely upon the console then find they need to purchase the software title(s) they play regularly in order to continue as before because their copied version has been rendered useless or is limited in functionality.

    Piracy has also helped saturate the market with sales of associated items (such as controllers, headsets, mice, driving wheels, and so on); all of which add to the industry's revenue.

    However, it is a fact that software companies are not selling as much as they used to; partly due to the recession, partly due to increased competition, but also due to the loss of sales due to piracy.

    Without sustained levels of income (that do not meet the organisation targets) the funds are not available to reinvest in future developments, & ultimately the workforce has to be reduced. Yes, arguably, targets may be set too high, but when a game only sells thousands of units, rather than tens of thousands, then profit margins will surely be affected.

    Over time this means less titles are developed. "Risky" ideas are not followed in case they do not generate sufficient revenue to cover their costs or to raise enough profits to back-roll the next project. The industry suffers as a result. We all moan that the same game ideas are constantly released; another generic first person shooter... another role-playing game with the same goals... a perennial football title that has not improved since last year.

    If sales are not gained no organisation will be prepared to take a "punt" & gamble on an untapped area of gaming.

    Sony's PlayStation Portable suffered from the effects of piracy early in the console's life & it has struggled to regain ground since. Hardware sales have declined because "there is nothing worth playing". The reason for this is because the developer's have seen such a decline in sales they have stopped developing for the console. Retailers decreased their requirements for the platform & for a time it was difficult to find high street stores selling the titles at all! Granted, the Nintendo GameBoy/DS handheld does not seem to have suffered as much, and we could discuss the various reasons for this further if you wish to.

    BFN,

    fp.

    DVS_Dee

    OP, you can play games that require 3.50 on a jailbreak'd PS3. You can … OP, you can play games that require 3.50 on a jailbreak'd PS3. You can also upgrade to 3.50 play whatever game you want and then just use psdowngrade to take you back to 3.41 or whatever.



    Seem like a lot of messing around to be honest, I decided to update my jailbroken ps3 when I wanted to play gt5, it just wasn't worth losing online play and being unable to play the latest games

    Banned

    I'd read that FapPages but it's way too long, you need to work on your forum debating skills. Make a point or two, wait for reply then counter and make new point, continue like this.

    I read it all, didn't really understand what side of the argument it fell on tbh

    I didn't even see it, ignore is a great feature (_;)

    master_chief

    I'd read that FapPages but it's way too long, you need to work on your … I'd read that FapPages but it's way too long, you need to work on your forum debating skills. Make a point or two, wait for reply then counter and make new point, continue like this.



    If you do not wish to read what I have written so be it. There is no need to start with the Freudian slips with my name. This is a debate... not strictly for the masses.

    The problem with approaching countering points like you suggested is that the thread goes off at a tangent & I never get my points across.

    In summary: I was agreeing with you in part of what you said, but maybe for different reasons. I still believe piracy is costing the industry in terms of revenue, employment, and innovation.

    BFN,

    fp.

    Banned

    fanpages

    If you do not wish to read what I have written so be it. There is no … If you do not wish to read what I have written so be it. There is no need to start with the Freudian slips with my name. This is a debate... not strictly for the masses.The problem with approaching countering points like you suggested is that the thread goes off at a tangent & I never get my points across.In summary: I was agreeing with you in part of what you said, but maybe for different reasons. I still believe piracy is costing the industry in terms of revenue, employment, and innovation.BFN,fp.



    Much better. I think big business does a far better job stifling innovation in software than piracy ever does.

    master_chief

    Much better. I think big business does a far better job stifling … Much better. I think big business does a far better job stifling innovation in software than piracy ever does.



    Such as? I think Sony Computer Entertainment has helped moved gaming genres in different directions with the introduction of titles such as "Little Big Planet", "Heavy Rain", & the "Uncharted" franchise, to name but three examples.

    Microsoft Game Studios' "Alan Wake" is another example.
    Nintendo's foresight with motion controller input is yet another.

    EA Games, on the other hand, moan that they do not see any revenue from pre-owned sales so introduce an online aspect to their Sports-based titles that cannot be used by a second owner... but then continue to release the same title year by year (when they could do better issuing mid-year updates to teams/players & so on).

    Did you have any specific examples of your concerns?

    BFN,

    fp.

    Never did bother doing the jailbreak with mine as i prefer to buy as i found in the past with the PS2 that i'd download so much i never played the games properly. However.......it won't be the end as whatever protection is put on something then people find a way round it.

    It's all just part of the game.

    Banned

    fanpages

    Such as? I think Sony Computer Entertainment has helped moved gaming … Such as? I think Sony Computer Entertainment has helped moved gaming genres in different directions with the introduction of titles such as "Little Big Planet", "Heavy Rain", & the "Uncharted" franchise, to name but three examples.Microsoft Game Studios' "Alan Wake" is another example.Nintendo's foresight with motion controller input is yet another.EA Games, on the other hand, moan that they do not see any revenue from pre-owned sales so introduce an online aspect to their Sports-based titles that cannot be used by a second owner... but then continue to release the same title year by year (when they could do better issuing mid-year updates to teams/players & so on).Did you have any specific examples of your concerns?BFN,fp.



    I'll give you LBP even though they did riff on games emerging online. Heavy rain is just a modern Dragon's Lair and Uncharted is outstanding but I didn't sense real innovation.

    A quick look down list of games on IGN tells me all I need to know that I'm right. Much like the Hollywood system stifles creativity in the movie industry, so we see the same in gaming except there's not really a world cinema/indie/arthouse equivalent to counter like in movieland.

    master_chief

    I'll give you LBP even though they did riff on games emerging online. … I'll give you LBP even though they did riff on games emerging online. Heavy rain is just a modern Dragon's Lair and Uncharted is outstanding but I didn't sense real innovation.



    Sony are very cautious about allowing copyrighted content (without consent) to be distributed across their network, & rightly so. This is most likely the reason for withdrawing specific user community levels.

    I did not like "Heavy Rain" but that does not mean I cannot appreciate the achievements made & the efforts by the entire team to reach the finished product. In the future when movies/games are more closely intertwined, this title will be hailed as a ground-breaking production. I appreciate the comparison to "Dragon's Lair" but many titles use the "Quick Time Event" [QTE] input mechanism (the "God of War" series, being a prime example).

    The motion capture in "Uncharted: Drake's Fortune" was certainly revolutionary, & this has improved in the latest (& subsequent) title. The seemless movement from "cut scene" to operable game-play is also worthy of note.

    master_chief

    A quick look down list of games on IGN tells me all I need to know that … A quick look down list of games on IGN tells me all I need to know that I'm right. Much like the Hollywood system stifles creativity in the movie industry, so we see the same in gaming except there's not really a world cinema/indie/arthouse equivalent to counter like in movieland.



    Arguably, one of the uses of "jailbreaking" is to allow access to the production of "homebrew" titles to a smaller, more independent development base (rather than allowing the use of pirated content).

    However, the advent of PlayStation Network/Store & Xbox LIVE Marketplace has allowed smaller developers to gain a publisher (or be a self-publisher, for example, "Joe Danger" by Hello Games).

    The development kit for the (current) PlayStation Portable range is more affordable than it ever has been. Microsoft & Apple both promote their own development projects for smaller parties.

    What particular games are you referring to regarding what you "need to know"?

    BFN,

    fp.

    Banned

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    Banned

    ^^^^ first page of PS3 reviews, can't see any signs of innovation and yes that certainly includes GT5. I could do the same for the 360 page and Wii and keep going through all the previous review pages too but that would fill the thread with even more crap than it already has.

    I think it's best to stick to what actually does innovate rather than what doesn't.

    master_chief

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    OK, I have (shortened) your list. What was your point?

    BFN,

    fp.

    master_chief

    ^^^^ first page of PS3 reviews, can't see any signs of innovation and yes … ^^^^ first page of PS3 reviews, can't see any signs of innovation and yes that certainly includes GT5. I could do the same for the 360 page and Wii and keep going through all the previous review pages too but that would fill the thread with even more crap than it already has.I think it's best to stick to what actually does innovate rather than what doesn't.



    Is it you just do not value anybody's opinion but your own?

    How many of the titles have you played?

    BFN,

    fp.

    Banned

    fanpages

    Is it you just do not value anybody's opinion but your own?How many of … Is it you just do not value anybody's opinion but your own?How many of the titles have you played?BFN,fp.



    It's a list populated by sequels and franchises, how many do I need to play to dispute a lack of innovation?

    The crap I referred to was the list of games I posted, I meant I don't want to fill thread with more lists.

    fight fight fight

    Banned

    ... and have I witnessed your most obvious case of OCD yet?

    master_chief

    ... and have I witnessed your most obvious case of OCD yet?



    Who me? OCD of course, its not a funny thing to joke about.

    Banned

    Boom123

    Who me? OCD of course, its not a funny thing to joke about.



    No not you.

    I'm tempted to post lists of all games ever reviewed on IGN just so FapPages spends hours cleaning them up.

    master_chief

    It's a list populated by sequels and franchises, how many do I need to … It's a list populated by sequels and franchises, how many do I need to play to dispute a lack of innovation?



    Just less than half of the list are new titles; not necessarily ground-breaking but not sequels & established franchises either.

    master_chief

    The crap I referred to was the list of games I posted, I meant I don't … The crap I referred to was the list of games I posted, I meant I don't want to fill thread with more lists.



    OK. I misread your comment.

    master_chief

    ... and have I witnessed your most obvious case of OCD yet?



    It's not a problem for me as I'm used to it.

    What specifically are you targeting? As it may not be Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; it may be something else entirely.

    BFN,

    fp.

    i dont mean to steal the light from this fight,

    but monopoly is the best game on my ps3

    EDIT: I dont even mean monopoly streets, the original monopoly - took me 3 hours to beat the computer.
    Edited by: "Boom123" 15th Dec 2010

    master_bates

    ... and have I witnessed your most obvious case of OCD yet?



    Boom123

    Who me? OCD of course, its not a funny thing to joke about.



    Indeed.

    master_bates

    No not you.I'm tempted to post lists of all games ever reviewed on IGN … No not you.I'm tempted to post lists of all games ever reviewed on IGN just so FapPages spends hours cleaning them up.



    That is not Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; but if I list all my foibles & characteristics you will just use them against me in the future.

    Back to the (piracy) subject:

    The list of titles as part of a series, re-make, or established franchise is surely an example of publishers looking for titles that are revenue generating because they do not have the money available to channel into new areas.

    BFN,

    fp.

    [EDIT]: Just proving I am human (too) [/EDIT]
    Edited by: "fanpages" 15th Dec 2010

    Boom123

    i dont mean to steal the light from this fight, but monopoly is the best … i dont mean to steal the light from this fight, but monopoly is the best game on my ps3EDIT: I dont even mean monopoly streets, the original monopoly - took me 3 hours to beat the computer.



    I also think "The Sly (Cooper) (HD) Trilogy" is the best PS3 exclusive this year.

    (I will be playing "Monopoly Streets" towards the end of December)

    BFN,

    fp.

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