Is the Windows 10 offer on Wowcher legit?

Posted 15th Dec 2021 (Posted 18 h, 13 m ago)
We're looking for a genuine copy of Windows 10 to buy and install on a laptop.

From Windows direct, Windows 10 Home edition appears to be about £140 or £99 on Amazon.

Wowcher APPEAR to be offering it for £17. Can somebody please tell me if we're missing something as it seems too good to be true.

wowcher.co.uk/dea…wcB

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    I got mine from allkeyshop for a few quid. Gamers outlet I think. Have done eBay before. Plenty of YouTube videos on this. I made one of my eBay purchase but techyescity does a few where he even called Microsoft up to confirm key was valid.

    Nb windows 10 pro usually cheaper than home
    Edited by: "jameshothothot" 18 h, 6 m ago
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    Is this a new computer?
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    Should be fine, but I'd go for a key from eBay perhaps for Win 10 Pro?
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    My £0.99p pro license from eBay has worked for 5 years so far.
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    bigwheels15/12/2021 18:50

    My £0.99p pro license from eBay has worked for 5 years so far.


    Mine too was cheap off ebay & worked for years.

    However, Ebay have clamped down on codes. Doubt any exist longer than a few minutes before the ads get pulled.
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    Why do you need to pay for Windows 10?, or did this laptop come with no Windows software on it?

    If the laptop came with Windows7 you can upgrade to Windows 10 for free.

    If it came with Windows 10 but you need to reinstall it for for some reason then you DONT need to pay for it again.

    You can download the Windows 10 code "for free" from the official Microsoft web site here

    microsoft.com/en-…s10

    Please let us know the scenario as I would hate you to buy Windows 10 when you don't need to.
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    Willy_Wonka15/12/2021 18:54

    Mine too was cheap off ebay & worked for years.However, Ebay have clamped …Mine too was cheap off ebay & worked for years.However, Ebay have clamped down on codes. Doubt any exist longer than a few minutes before the ads get pulled.


    That's the beauty of it. A seller pops up, you get in quick, get the key, eBay closes their account and refunds you.
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    jameshothothot15/12/2021 18:09

    I got mine from allkeyshop for a few quid. Gamers outlet I think. Have …I got mine from allkeyshop for a few quid. Gamers outlet I think. Have done eBay before. Plenty of YouTube videos on this. I made one of my eBay purchase but techyescity does a few where he even called Microsoft up to confirm key was valid.Nb windows 10 pro usually cheaper than home


    This is what I do. I've never had a single issue in about twenty years of using OEM keys, and never heard of anyone having any issues. But some people moan about it because it's not 'official', even though it is the genuine version of Windows. I personally don't care, and I don't understand why people would rather pay a megacorp like Microsoft £100 odd for a shoddy OS.

    The only drawback (if you could call it that), is there's no free upgrade to the next version of Windows. I don't see why that should matter, though, if you want to upgrade to Windows 12 later, just get an OEM key for that too. You'll still have saved about £90.
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    McShane115/12/2021 19:05

    That's the beauty of it. A seller pops up, you get in quick, get the key, …That's the beauty of it. A seller pops up, you get in quick, get the key, eBay closes their account and refunds you.


    More than likely adverts with payment details off of ebay
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    It's not a new copy from Microsoft. The only big discount you see on them is through schemes such as for students or discounts for employees when a company licences it.

    The majority of the cheap keys should be second hand copies, such as those converted from Windows 7 and 8 keys on scrapped computers. This is legal, even though it's not a very sensible situation for software.


    Unfortunately, the key reseller market is rather dodgy. Most of the shops provide no provenance and lots of investigations have shown they don't do anywhere near enough vetting of their sources - which means it gets used for money laundering and other nasty practices.

    If you're going to go down that route I'd try and find the seller offering the most information about their keys. I certainly wouldn't buy a random one on Wowcher.
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    These may work.
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    Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're working our way through them now. The laptop we want it for is my partner's gaming lappy. It needs a new version of Win 10 installing to bring it up to speed.
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    Check PM OP.
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    I use Linux - I pay nothing for whichever distribution I use - all legal - no retailers or bought media involved. Download/burn/install.
    Operating Systems are just that - its the alleged "features" which makes one different from another - more often than not features which you simply don't need.
    £17 for Windows 10 Home sounds very much like "fire sale" time now that Windows 11 is available - trying to squeeze every last cent from something which really is not that good.
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    Of course it's too good to be true! These are "not for resale/retail" licenses.
    Read up about it here:
    support.microsoft.com/en-…227
    There is no such thing as a "fire sale" for legitimate Windows licenses...

    J_.15/12/2021 19:11

    This is what I do. I've never had a single issue in about twenty years of …This is what I do. I've never had a single issue in about twenty years of using OEM keys, and never heard of anyone having any issues. But some people moan about it because it's not 'official', even though it is the genuine version of Windows. I personally don't care, and I don't understand why people would rather pay a megacorp like Microsoft £100 odd for a shoddy OS.The only drawback (if you could call it that), is there's no free upgrade to the next version of Windows. I don't see why that should matter, though, if you want to upgrade to Windows 12 later, just get an OEM key for that too. You'll still have saved about £90.


    I guess if you have no moral compass - it's still theft and in breach of the license agreement:
    microsoft.com/en-…htm

    Imagine if everyone had this same attitude, Microsoft would be out of business!
    Edited by: "aLV426" 13 h, 38 m ago
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    squiff15/12/2021 20:53

    Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're …Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're working our way through them now. The laptop we want it for is my partner's gaming lappy. It needs a new version of Win 10 installing to bring it up to speed.


    You will probably find it just works when you install windows 10 after downloading from the website someone else suggested and putting on a USB stick. Come back here after you tried that.
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    EndlessWaves15/12/2021 20:36

    It's not a new copy from Microsoft. The only big discount you see on them …It's not a new copy from Microsoft. The only big discount you see on them is through schemes such as for students or discounts for employees when a company licences it. The majority of the cheap keys should be second hand copies, such as those converted from Windows 7 and 8 keys on scrapped computers. This is legal, even though it's not a very sensible situation for software. Unfortunately, the key reseller market is rather dodgy. Most of the shops provide no provenance and lots of investigations have shown they don't do anywhere near enough vetting of their sources - which means it gets used for money laundering and other nasty practices. If you're going to go down that route I'd try and find the seller offering the most information about their keys. I certainly wouldn't buy a random one on Wowcher.


    Actually it's not legal to transfer an OEM license and has been tested in court with a guy ending up in prison:



    microsoft.com/en-…htm

    ...but hey this is a deals site, let's not let facts or morals get in the way of good deal!
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    For balance, the £2.45 key I got from Ebay last January didn’t work. I didn’t bother trying to get a refund.
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    aLV42615/12/2021 22:35

    Of course it's too good to be true! These are "not for resale/retail" …Of course it's too good to be true! These are "not for resale/retail" licenses.Read up about it here:https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/activate-windows-c39005d4-95ee-b91e-b399-2820fda32227There is no such thing as a "fire sale" for legitimate Windows licenses...I guess if you have no moral compass - it's still theft and in breach of the license agreement:https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htmImagine if everyone had this same attitude, Microsoft would be out of business!


    'no moral compass'

    No need to dramatically exaggerate, is there. Buying an OEM key is hardly tantamount to mugging somebody.

    Microsoft make plenty of money. Most of the Windows OS sales are to other corporations and companies. Sold on licence to be installed on large numbers of computers in offices. Also to laptop and PC manufacturers to pre install on devices before sale. Microsoft also sell an abundance of hardware, not to mention xbox. They won't be going bankrupt because some individual consumers pay for OEM keys, that's just nonsense. Who's to say the keys aren't sold off by the very people who buy them? If you buy a license for 2000 keys, and you only use 1722 of them in your company, you might decide to sell the rest off cheap. I'm not stealing from anyone, I'm paying for a service. If the seller has knowingly breached Microsoft T&Cs, it's really very little to do with me.

    OEM keys have been posted on HUKD many times. You better boycott the website, lest you lose your moral compass
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    aLV42615/12/2021 22:42

    Actually it's not legal to transfer an OEM license and has been tested in …Actually it's not legal to transfer an OEM license and has been tested in court with a guy ending up in prison:[Video] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htm...but hey this is a deals site, let's not let facts or morals get in the way of good deal!


    A quick scan suggests that video is about a US prosecution of someone making counterfeit copies which is completely different thing.

    I don't know it's been tested in court recently, but I know about a decade ago the EU court ruled that Oracle couldn't prevent the second hand sale of licences, even individually licenced OEM ones (multi-user licences couldn't be split though).
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    J_.15/12/2021 23:22

    'no moral compass' No need to dramatically exaggerate, is there. …'no moral compass' No need to dramatically exaggerate, is there. Buying an OEM key is hardly tantamount to mugging somebody. Microsoft make plenty of money. Most of the Windows OS sales are to other corporations and companies. Sold on licence to be installed on large numbers of computers in offices. Also to laptop and PC manufacturers to pre install on devices before sale. Microsoft also sell an abundance of hardware, not to mention xbox. They won't be going bankrupt because some individual consumers pay for OEM keys, that's just nonsense. Who's to say the keys aren't sold off by the very people who buy them? If you buy a license for 2000 keys, and you only use 1722 of them in your company, you might decide to sell the rest off cheap. I'm not stealing from anyone, I'm paying for a service. If the seller has knowingly breached Microsoft T&Cs, it's really very little to do with me.OEM keys have been posted on HUKD many times. You better boycott the website, lest you lose your moral compass


    Seriously? I think you need to read up on what a license agreement is - when you purchase 2000 keys and only use 1722, the license agreement (from Microsoft) does not allow you to sell on the unused licenses. The license agreement clearly states that they cannot be resold. There is no exaggeration in my statement, it's morally wrong, it's also against the terms of the license agreement. Just because you can doesn't make it right. I don't understand peoples thought process here.

    microsoft.com/en-…spx

    Again, just because you can doesn't make it right. Why should I boycott this website?
    Again, imagine if everyone had this same attitude, Microsoft would be out of business! Why is it okay to steal from a company just becuase they "make plenty of money"?

    EndlessWaves15/12/2021 23:28

    A quick scan suggests that video is about a US prosecution of someone …A quick scan suggests that video is about a US prosecution of someone making counterfeit copies which is completely different thing. I don't know it's been tested in court recently, but I know about a decade ago the EU court ruled that Oracle couldn't prevent the second hand sale of licences, even individually licenced OEM ones (multi-user licences couldn't be split though).


    The point is he was selling OEM licenses that he had recovered from scrapped PCs - which is against the T&Cs of the license agreement: download.microsoft.com/dow…pdf

    EndlessWaves15/12/2021 23:28

    A quick scan suggests that video is about a US prosecution of someone …A quick scan suggests that video is about a US prosecution of someone making counterfeit copies which is completely different thing. I don't know it's been tested in court recently, but I know about a decade ago the EU court ruled that Oracle couldn't prevent the second hand sale of licences, even individually licenced OEM ones (multi-user licences couldn't be split though).


    The point is he was selling OEM licenses that he had recovered from scrapped PCs - which is against the T&Cs of the license agreement: download.microsoft.com/dow…pdf
    Edited by: "aLV426" 11 h, 13 m ago
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    A gaming laptop with Windows7 on it?
    First thing - Don't put any money into it at all.

    If you have access to a Windows10 Computer then make a windows 10 install disk/usb (from microsoft site), back up the old Laptop, install windows10 on the old Laptop picking (Upgrade this PC) as the option when you boot from the media. The servers were (a few months ago at least) still allowing free upgrades to happen.
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    aLV42616/12/2021 00:59

    Seriously? I think you need to read up on what a license agreement is - …Seriously? I think you need to read up on what a license agreement is - when you purchase 2000 keys and only use 1722, the license agreement (from Microsoft) does not allow you to sell on the unused licenses. The license agreement clearly states that they cannot be resold. There is no exaggeration in my statement, it's morally wrong, it's also against the terms of the license agreement. Just because you can doesn't make it right. I don't understand peoples thought process here.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/Shop.aspxAgain, just because you can doesn't make it right. Why should I boycott this website?Again, imagine if everyone had this same attitude, Microsoft would be out of business! Why is it okay to steal from a company just becuase they "make plenty of money"?The point is he was selling OEM licenses that he had recovered from scrapped PCs - which is against the T&Cs of the license agreement: https://download.microsoft.com/download/6/A/1/6A1647EE-3FC7-47F2-9AFE-470AD5E5D856/OEMSoftwareLicensingRulesandRestrictions.pdfThe point is he was selling OEM licenses that he had recovered from scrapped PCs - which is against the T&Cs of the license agreement: https://download.microsoft.com/download/6/A/1/6A1647EE-3FC7-47F2-9AFE-470AD5E5D856/OEMSoftwareLicensingRulesandRestrictions.pdf


    I'm not selling OEM keys. Saying people have no moral compass for buying OEM keys is both dramatic and silly. Microsoft would not 'go out of business' if everyone bought OEM keys, that's nonsense, they would just stop selling keys on license in the way that they do now. If someone chooses to violate Microsoft T&Cs, that's up to them, and it has nothing to do with me. Major online retailers sell OEM keys.

    This is a money saving website, and there's no law against buying OEM keys, it's not illegal, nor is it immoral, and it saves money. It's honestly a bizarre thing to admonish people for. Maybe it's you who should be reading up on what they actually are from a consumer standpoint.

    techadvisor.com/fea…49/

    'There’s nothing illegal about buying an OEM key, so long as it’s an official one. There are plenty of legitimate sites online that deal in this kind of software, Amazon has a number of sellers offering OEM keys, as does eBay, and more specialist sites like the aforementioned Lizengo are an option.

    Just be sure to read the description carefully and check user ratings before spending any money. Some very cheap offers might be for foreign copies of Windows 10, which may require downloading an English language pack, but these are free and available from Microsoft.

    So long as you’re happy to take on the responsibility of being your own technical support, then an OEM version can save a lot of money while offering an identical experience.'
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    J_.16/12/2021 01:18

    I'm not selling OEM keys. Saying people have no moral compass for buying …I'm not selling OEM keys. Saying people have no moral compass for buying OEM keys is both dramatic and silly. Microsoft would not 'go out of business' if everyone bought OEM keys, that's nonsense, they would just stop selling keys on license in the way that they do now. If someone chooses to violate Microsoft T&Cs, that's up to them, and it has nothing to do with me. Major online retailers sell OEM keys.This is a money saving website, and there's no law against buying OEM keys, it's not illegal, nor is it immoral, and it saves money. It's honestly a bizarre thing to admonish people for. Maybe it's you who should be reading up on what they actually are from a consumer standpoint. https://www.techadvisor.com/feature/windows/do-cheap-windows-keys-work-3665849/'There’s nothing illegal about buying an OEM key, so long as it’s an official one. There are plenty of legitimate sites online that deal in this kind of software, Amazon has a number of sellers offering OEM keys, as does eBay, and more specialist sites like the aforementioned Lizengo are an option.Just be sure to read the description carefully and check user ratings before spending any money. Some very cheap offers might be for foreign copies of Windows 10, which may require downloading an English language pack, but these are free and available from Microsoft. So long as you’re happy to take on the responsibility of being your own technical support, then an OEM version can save a lot of money while offering an identical experience.'


    Take the time to read my post - I never said it was illegal - I stated it was against the T&Cs of the license agreement and posted a link to the Microsoft web site that states the same. I am not admonishing anyone, I am merely pointing out the facts.
    There is however no legitimate way to purchase an OEM license on it's own according to Microsoft's T&Cs it needs to be purchased along with hardware: microsoft.com/en-…spx


    This is turning into an Aesop fable: fablesofaesop.com/the…tml
    Just because you can do it doesn't make it legitimate...
    Also just because you read a post on website doesn't make it correct - that's why I cited my references and I suggest you do your own research.
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    aLV42616/12/2021 01:29

    Take the time to read my post - I never said it was illegal - I stated it …Take the time to read my post - I never said it was illegal - I stated it was against the T&Cs of the license agreement and posted a link to the Microsoft web site that states the same. I am not admonishing anyone, I am merely pointing out the facts.There is however no legitimate way to purchase an OEM license on it's own according to Microsoft's T&Cs it needs to be purchased along with hardware: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/licensing.aspxThis is turning into an Aesop fable: https://fablesofaesop.com/the-fox-who-lost-his-tail.htmlJust because you can do it doesn't make it legitimate...Also just because you read a post on website doesn't make it correct - that's why I cited my references and I suggest you do your own research.


    And I suggest you read mine. If telling somebody they have no moral compass for purchasing something entirely legal from a legitimate retailer isn't admonishing, I'm not sure what is. Somewhat irrelevantly, Selling OEM keys may be in breach of Microsoft T&Cs, depending on the type of license they purchased. However, it's not illegal for anyone to buy them, and major retailers sell them. OEM Windows is not technically 'full' windows, and there's no after sale support, that's part of the reason it's cheaper. It's really more of a personal preference than anything else, there's no legal, nor moral element from the standpoint of a consumer.

    If Microsoft felt remotely threatened by the sale of keys, they just wouldn't distribute them like that. It's not 'wrong' in a legal or moral definition to buy them. There is an element of risk, in that you get no support, you don't get some updates, you could potentially get a counterfeit version of Windows, and you can't upgrade for free, so you run the risk of losing your money and should choose sellers diligently. It's down to personal preference whether you choose OEM or full Windows. What's immoral is telling people they are bad for doing something perfectly legal in order to save money, on a money saving website no less.
    Edited by: "J_." 10 h, 26 m ago
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    J_.16/12/2021 01:47

    And I suggest you read mine. If telling somebody they have no moral …And I suggest you read mine. If telling somebody they have no moral compass for purchasing something entirely legal from a legitimate retailer isn't admonishing, I'm not sure what is. Somewhat irrelevantly, Selling OEM keys may be in breach of Microsoft T&Cs, depending on the type of license they purchased. However, it's not illegal for anyone to buy them, and major retailers sell them. OEM Windows is not technically 'full' windows, and there's no after sale support, that's part of the reason it's cheaper. It's really more of a personal preference than anything else, there's no legal, nor moral element from the standpoint of a consumer.If Microsoft felt remotely threatened by the sale of keys, they just wouldn't distribute them like that. It's not 'wrong' in a legal or moral definition to buy them. There is an element of risk, in that you get no support, you don't get some updates, you could potentially get a counterfeit version of Windows, and you can't upgrade for free, so you run the risk of losing your money and should choose sellers diligently. It's down to personal preference whether you choose OEM or full Windows. What's immoral is telling people they are bad for doing something perfectly legal in order to save money, on a money saving website no less.


    OEM Windows is technically full Windows - there is nothing from a software perspective that is different about the versions, it's the license that is different. I suggest you read the links I posted to the Microsoft website, OEM licenses can only be purchased with new hardware otherwise it's a breach of the T&C's.
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    squiff15/12/2021 20:53

    Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're …Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're working our way through them now. The laptop we want it for is my partner's gaming lappy. It needs a new version of Win 10 installing to bring it up to speed.


    If the laptop already has Windows 10 on it you DONT DONT DONT need to buy a new version of Windows 10.

    Just download the Windows code from the link I posted above.

    Here it is again

    microsoft.com/en-…s10

    Also note many laptops come with a copy of Windows 10 "hidden" on the hard disk and you can reinstall Windows 10 from that (this is best because it will come with all the drivers and apps already pre-installed as it was when the laptop was first turned on)

    See here for more details (or see your laptop makers web site for how to do that)

    techadvisor.com/how…23/

    Seems to be a lot of debate here about dodgy copies of Windows 10 on ebay when in fact the real discussion should be about how to reinstall Windows 10 on a laptop that already had it on it.
    .
    Edited by: "guilbert53" 4 h, 53 m ago
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    This is how you can reinstall Windows 10 on a PC that already has Windows 10 on it. This uses the "hidden" copy of windows 10 that is on the hard disk

    Right-click on the Windows start button on the bottom left-hand corner of the screen to open the Settings menu.

    Click “Settings”

    Click on “Update & Security.”

    In the left pane, select “Recovery.”

    Under“Reset this PC,” click “Get started.”

    Choose the "Keep my files" option in the popup message. Keep in mind, after this step, your device will update to the latest Windows 10 version.

    Click the “Reset” button in the “Ready to reset this PC” interface. Your PC will reboot and begin to reinstall Windows 10..
    Edited by: "guilbert53" 4 h, 47 m ago
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    squiff15/12/2021 20:53

    Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're …Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're working our way through them now. The laptop we want it for is my partner's gaming lappy. It needs a new version of Win 10 installing to bring it up to speed.


    Here's a summary:
    * If the laptop originally came with Windows 10 then it's a free download to refresh
    * If it came with Windows 7 then the same but it's a 'grey area'
    * If you wish to pay the authors for their work then no, Wowcher isn't a legitimate licence
    * If you don't care and just want a working product (most HUKDers), jump in but there are cheaper and even free methods



    tardytortoise15/12/2021 21:02

    I use Linux - I pay nothing for whichever distribution I use - all legal - …I use Linux - I pay nothing for whichever distribution I use - all legal - no retailers or bought media involved. Download/burn/install.Operating Systems are just that - its the alleged "features" which makes one different from another - more often than not features which you simply don't need.£17 for Windows 10 Home sounds very much like "fire sale" time now that Windows 11 is available - trying to squeeze every last cent from something which really is not that good.


    Absolutely, Linux is a viable option and more people should definitely try. However, it's not a "fire sale", rather it's sellers providing a key that happens to work but in no way provides a legal right to use the software. Think paying for a home made copy of a music CD.
    Edited by: "adam.mt" 2 h, 14 m ago
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    jameshothothot15/12/2021 22:39

    You will probably find it just works when you install windows 10 after …You will probably find it just works when you install windows 10 after downloading from the website someone else suggested and putting on a USB stick. Come back here after you tried that.


    Yeah, you should only go out and purchase a key after ensuring that there's not already a license on the machine. Many recent manufacturers hold the Windows licence key in the BIOS, so even after a full wipe, the licence can be retrieved and Windows activated.
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    aLV42616/12/2021 01:29

    Take the time to read my post - I never said it was illegal - I stated it …Take the time to read my post - I never said it was illegal - I stated it was against the T&Cs of the license agreement and posted a link to the Microsoft web site that states the same. I am not admonishing anyone, I am merely pointing out the facts.There is however no legitimate way to purchase an OEM license on it's own according to Microsoft's T&Cs it needs to be purchased along with hardware: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/licensing.aspxThis is turning into an Aesop fable: https://fablesofaesop.com/the-fox-who-lost-his-tail.htmlJust because you can do it doesn't make it legitimate...Also just because you read a post on website doesn't make it correct - that's why I cited my references and I suggest you do your own research.


    Do you have the contract or seen one on what hardware an OEM licence can be sold with? (talking of grey area's and applying it to how it suits)

    This is a bit like your supermarket has a deal with a crisp manufacturer that sells multi packs. The supermarket has a contract with the manufacturer to not split them. Does the consumer once they have purchased are then tied to the supermarkets agreement?

    What was defined in the court ruling was perpetual licences (neither MS or Oracle wanted that outcome) and example the courts quoted was that if you sell a radio in a car and then further down the line the owner replaces the radio the manufacturer has exhausted any rights they have to what then happens to the original radio regardless of it having been purchased as part of a car (loved the analogy by the EU courts).

    MS and oracle still won on counterfeiting but that was literally the physical copying of artwork and cds but their lost was greater than they wanted as the actual resale of perpetual licences was ruled legitimate. Ultimately and many years on they have created a rod for their own back on decisions they made well over a decade ago with windows 10 licencing. You also need to note the terms themselves state that they are overridden by local laws where applicable. The EU also gave a big warning that if MS or Oracle impeach on a legitimate rights a landmark fine is going to occur here.

    As to morality I am not sure you get big business or where Microsoft make their big money but at present Windows accounts for circa 16% with entreprise, cloud and office all being far above. Historically there was a time where they charged a royalty on every pc produced based on the number of cpu regardless of if their software was not being used (is that morally correct to up the price for all so you profit even when users are not using your s/w?) and have consistently turned a blind eye in markets on their software not being licenced that they have not dominated until those then dependent upon (lose leading/limiting choices and devlopment to compete against them etc?).

    What does always fascinate me is when you visit places where they are not great fans of western influence and think American companies are just out to rip off and abuse their citizens where ever possible - remember being in Moscow walking into to a really plush gaming shop where everything looked 100% legitimate in a big shopping mall but clearly from the prices MS were not getting a cent.

    Just an observation though - do you think quoting solely Microsoft is going to give you an unbiased picture? Suggest watching Dopestick as a good series and an example why you should question a companies objectives and that the pursuit of money from them is not always for the good of the collective especially from a morality point of view.
    Edited by: "Bertz99" 2 h, 5 m ago
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    squiff15/12/2021 20:53

    Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're …Thank you so much everybody for your honest and helpful replies. We're working our way through them now. The laptop we want it for is my partner's gaming lappy. It needs a new version of Win 10 installing to bring it up to speed.


    What version of windows is it on now? Just free upgrade to Windows 10, check device info that it has a digital license (basically connect to the internet after the upgrade), if it does you can wipe and install a fresh copy of Windows 10 and it'll activate when it first goes online.
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    @Bertz99 - Historically there was a time where they charged a royalty on every pc produced based on the number of cpu regardless of if their software was not being used (is that morally correct to up the price for all so you profit even when users are not using your s/w?)

    Total nonsense - can you provide any evidence of this?

    Also Microsoft entered into a consent decree in 1994 that barred them from conditioning the availability of Windows licenses or varying their prices based on whether OEMs distributed other operating systems.
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    You are unable to purchase Windows 10 license keys on eBay. The sale of keys ceased about 12+ months ago, most of the keys for sale were from regions that sell these licenses at a reduced price to prevent the use of pirate/duplicate keys.

    Microsoft are aware of where you are located when you certify a license key and if the key is not available or used it will be rejected.

    I have purchased a key via Amazon seller in the past and it was fine and some of the offshore Chinese sites also sell keys but buyer beware.
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    I bought two windows 10 pro keys from gamivo.com in 2018 and both still work fine.
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    aLV42616/12/2021 11:01

    @Bertz99 - Historically there was a time where they charged a royalty on …@Bertz99 - Historically there was a time where they charged a royalty on every pc produced based on the number of cpu regardless of if their software was not being used (is that morally correct to up the price for all so you profit even when users are not using your s/w?)Total nonsense - can you provide any evidence of this?Also Microsoft entered into a consent decree in 1994 that barred them from conditioning the availability of Windows licenses or varying their prices based on whether OEMs distributed other operating systems.


    here you go - but glad to see you have not a scooby on what is nonsense

    Microsoft defends DOS licensing - CNET
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    download the media creation toola for windows 10

    you need a new usb stick or a one that you dont care about the data

    16gb run any version you want unactvated

    the only thikng you can do is change the background you might get a watermark

    o, users can leave Windows 10 unactivated. In fact, users can continue to utilize the unactivated Win 10 with the few restrictions it has. Thus, Windows 10 can run indefinitely without activation. So, users can utilize the unactivated platform for as long as they wish at the moment. Note, however, that Microsoft’s retail agreement only authorizes users to utilize Windows 10 with a valid product key.

    More and more Windows 7 users are now upgrading to Win 10 as Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 7 from 2020.

    Some of them are probably purchasing the OS from Amazon or Microsoft, but remember that you can also use Windows 10 without a product key.

    Instead, users can freely download the Windows 10 ISO to upgrade to a slightly restricted Win 10 without needing a product key.
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    aLV42616/12/2021 02:14

    OEM Windows is technically full Windows - there is nothing from a software …OEM Windows is technically full Windows - there is nothing from a software perspective that is different about the versions, it's the license that is different. I suggest you read the links I posted to the Microsoft website, OEM licenses can only be purchased with new hardware otherwise it's a breach of the T&C's.


    It's not the same as buying retail Windows. There's no free upgrade and no after sale support. Windows itself will run identically, but the service you receive is limited. How much are Microsoft paying you to tell people they are morally wrong for legally purchasing OEM keys? I can't get my head around being this worked up about individual consumers saving a few quid on an objectively overpriced OS, all within the confines of the law too. Such an odd thing to high horse people over.
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    oem is not transerable retail is ie if you mainboard dies
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