Is there anyway in getting xp mode in win 7 to work without 'hardware assisted virtualization'

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Found 22nd Oct 2009
i've got a dell studio 17 and my processor hasn't got it. I bought win 7 pro (instead of home premium) to use virtual pc and xp mode.. Isn't there a work around.. i'm sure that it would still be able to run it without too many problems..

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks in advance

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You could always buy another processor and sell yours ,What CPU is it ?

[FONT=Verdana]If upgrading the CPU isn't an option for you (i.e. loss of warranty support, cost, etc) then you might need to consider using a third party virtualisation package - for free there's Sun's VirtualBox and in terms of commercial products there's also VMware Workstation as well.

Agree with the earlier post, if you can confirm what CPU you have in place it may help to track down further the hardware support options available to it - I know for a Dell PowerEdge Server I was working on last week I had to install a set number of BIOS updates to allow all of the CPU cores to be seen by VMware ESX Server.

Edit - Included links to virtualisation solutions, with the first two being free (VMware Server for Windows/Linux you need to register for the license keys from what I can remember; been a while since I've downloaded it) and the last one is the commercial product you need to pay for.

VirtualBox
virtualbox.org/

VMware Server
downloads.vmware.com/d/i…2_0

VMware Workstation
downloads.vmware.com/d/i…6_5

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:
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Scotty Boy;6657216

[FONT=Verdana]If upgrading the CPU isn't an option for you (i.e. loss of … [FONT=Verdana]If upgrading the CPU isn't an option for you (i.e. loss of warranty support, cost, etc) then you might need to consider using a third party virtualisation package - for free there's Sun's VirtualBox and in terms of commercial products there's also VMware Workstation as well.Agree with the earlier post, if you can confirm what CPU you have in place it may help to track down further the hardware support options available to it - I know for a Dell PowerEdge Server I was working on last week I had to install a set number of BIOS updates to allow all of the CPU cores to be seen by VMware ESX Server.Edit - Included links to virtualisation solutions, with the first two being free (VMware Server for Windows/Linux you need to register for the license keys from what I can remember; been a while since I've downloaded it) and the last one is the commercial product you need to pay for.VirtualBoxhttp://www.virtualbox.org/VMware Serverhttp://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/datacenter_downloads/vmware_server/2_0VMware Workstationhttp://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/desktop_downloads/vmware_workstation/6_5Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]



i checked and my cpu isnt combatible.. its a intel core 2 duo 2.0 ghz.. which ones can i use in my dell studio 17?.. thanks for the links but I think microsoft have put in a security feature so that it only works in virtual mode..
tried Virtualbox doesnt work : failed to open win xp mode base.vhd for writing due to wrong permissions.. will try others...

sourcelives;6657629

i checked and my cpu isnt combatible.. its a intel core 2 duo 2.0 ghz.. … i checked and my cpu isnt combatible.. its a intel core 2 duo 2.0 ghz.. which ones can i use in my dell studio 17?.. thanks for the links but I think microsoft have put in a security feature so that it only works in virtual mode..tried Virtualbox doesnt work : failed to open win xp mode base.vhd for writing due to wrong permissions.. will try others...



[FONT=Verdana]Ah a tricky customer! ;-)

Okay did a very very quick search via Google UK (stuck on the phone just now) but I've found the following thread you might want to check out (including the CPU link to the Intel website) - I couldn't see a generalised CPU upgrade review listed but if you take a look you might find some better examples (I'll try to look later on).

Dell Studio 17 CPU Upgrade - AVForums.com
avforums.com/for…tml

Compare Intel® Products
ark.intel.com/Com…915

Edit - Added another link in for a post, which contains a bit information including links to guides on removing the heat sink and the CPU for doing an upgrade - good quote there that states "...Processor can be updated as long as you get the same slot type and model range...".

upgrading processor + graphics card in Dell studio 17 - AVForums.com
avforums.com/for…tml

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]

This is a list of intel CPUs that support virtualisation
ark.intel.com/VTL…spx

The E5300 and E5400 would be worth buying at around £50 but you would have to make sure you got the right ones as there are 2 types,

tonyg1962;6657825

This is a list of intel CPUs that support … This is a list of intel CPUs that support virtualisationhttp://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspxThe E5300 and E5400 would be worth buying at around £50 but you would have to make sure you got the right ones as there are 2 types,



It's a laptop so E5300 and E5400 will not be much use. As far as I'm aware all E5400 shipped to UK are comparable. But yes you have to be more careful though you should be ok with boxed retail products now.

GAVINLEWISHUKD;6657907

It's a laptop so E5300 and E5400 will not be much use. As far as I'm … It's a laptop so E5300 and E5400 will not be much use. As far as I'm aware all E5400 shipped to UK are comparable. But yes you have to be more careful though you should be ok with boxed retail products now.



Lol shoot me now,Never though it was a laptop,that makes things a bit trickier,sorry about that,

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Scotty Boy;6657775

[FONT=Verdana]Ah a tricky customer! ;-) Okay did a very very quick … [FONT=Verdana]Ah a tricky customer! ;-) Okay did a very very quick search via Google UK (stuck on the phone just now) but I've found the following thread you might want to check out (including the CPU link to the Intel website) - I couldn't see a generalised CPU upgrade review listed but if you take a look you might find some better examples (I'll try to look later on).Dell Studio 17 CPU Upgrade - AVForums.comhttp://www.avforums.com/forums/laptops-mini-pcs/1011190-dell-studio-17-cpu-upgrade.htmlCompare Intel® Productshttp://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=31729,29762,27257,29761,27256,29760,31728,27255,29759,35581,33915Edit - Added another link in for a post, which contains a bit information including links to guides on removing the heat sink and the CPU for doing an upgrade - good quote there that states "...Processor can be updated as long as you get the same slot type and model range...".upgrading processor + graphics card in Dell studio 17 - AVForums.comhttp://www.avforums.com/forums/laptops-mini-pcs/911309-upgrading-processor-graphics-card-dell-studio-17-a.htmlCheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]



cheers, will have a look, just tried vmware workstation btw and it comes up with 'operation system not found' maybe because it wanted an .iso file and microsodt have provided a .vhd one..

sourcelives;6658054

cheers, will have a look, just tried vmware workstation btw and it comes … cheers, will have a look, just tried vmware workstation btw and it comes up with 'operation system not found' maybe because it wanted an .iso file and microsodt have provided a .vhd one..



[FONT=Verdana]Sorry forgot to paste this one in - just noticed just now, it's an older article but still works from what I understand (would suggest you take a backup copy of the VHD file before you attempt to do this).

Convert Virtual Disks from VHD to VMDK - NTPRO.NL
ntpro.nl/blo…tml

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]

Well if I'm not mistaken then the Studio 17 can support 2 hard disks. So I would use windows 7 as intended on the main one then get another drive (lots of old ps3 drives about) and install xp on that then just disable it from the bios when not used. Not the slickest of solutions but will be by far the fastest.

With some Dell laptops it’s easy to upgrade the CPU but others are a real pain. I don’t know the full model number of yours so can’t check for you on Dell’s website.
If it’s an easy one to upgrade I would buy a CPU on eBay as the mobile CPUs usually go for a low price. Dell give instructions if you follow the link above and you typically only need a few screwdrivers and some replacement thermal paste helps.

I bought a very cheap Vostro 1500 via a HDUK deal with a Celeron CPU and replaced it without checking first how complex it was. I had to remove the screen and all kinds of things and it took over 2 hours I think.

What is the exact model number of your processor? The reason I ask is that some of the Dells have virtualisation disabled by default in the bios regardless of whether the processor supports it or not.

John

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Johnmcl7;6661255

What is the exact model number of your processor? The reason I ask is … What is the exact model number of your processor? The reason I ask is that some of the Dells have virtualisation disabled by default in the bios regardless of whether the processor supports it or not.John



Studio Laptop 1735 INTEL CORE 2 DUO T5750

sourcelives;6665927

Studio Laptop 1735 INTEL CORE 2 DUO T5750



[FONT=Verdana]Here's what I find via a search on the Intel website regarding your CPU, assuming the models are an exact match.

Intel® Core™2 Duo Mobile Processor T5750 - SLA4D
processorfinder.intel.com/det…A4D

Cheers, Scotty Boy! :thumbsup:[/FONT]

sourcelives;6665927

Studio Laptop 1735 INTEL CORE 2 DUO T5750


It is very easy to upgrade the CPU on this model – Service Manual.

If you go to Intel’s website you’ll see a listing for the T5000 series with only the T5500 and T5600 supporting Virtualisation but they are slower than your CPU.
You have a Socket P CPU so you can also use a T7000 series CPU all of which support Virtualisation.
The only potential issue is that there’s a slim chance that your laptop doesn’t support CPUs with a FSB of 800 but this seems very unlikely as it’s a recent model and AFAIK all recent Intel chipsets support that.
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