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    Israel about to sign breakthrough deals with Sunni Arab states...could this finally mean peace?

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    “Israel appears to be on the point of signing a breakthrough deal with a collection of Sunni Arab states.” If there is an intersection of interests between Israel and Sunni Arab states, it will pivot around their shared hostility towards Iran, Hezbollah and the Shiite crescent, including the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq and the Houthis in Yemen."

    m.huffpost.com/us/…902

    IMO any agreements signed should be contingent on an end to the Palestinian Israeli conflict with a peaceful negotiated one or two state settlement on both sides.

    The optimist in me wonders if Iran could be brought into such an agreement, just maybe, there could finally be peace in the region...?

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    Israel is one of the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world, any relations with them are bound to collapse sooner rather than later.

    Them existing as they are is an afront to world peace, amongst other nations.

    It'll never happen. Move along

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    sufchenko

    It'll never happen. Move along



    I'm an optimist..

    Not going to happen and if it does it won't last very long.

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    jimbo001

    Israel is one of the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world, any … Israel is one of the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world, any relations with them are bound to collapse sooner rather than later. Them existing as they are is an afront to world peace, amongst other nations.



    There is no denying Israel's state sponsored terrorism in Palestine. But look at the bigger picture, you will see hate on both sides, apartheid, needless lives lost in the continued chaos of a vicious cycle, caught in an endless loop...but let me ask you this...if there is but a 1% chance of peace, sustained peace in the region, ought it not to be explored?

    Consider the evils of the IRA. Look at them now. A legitimised form of government in power. There is always hope.

    Peace in the ME? No chance.

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    stuarthanley

    Peace in the ME? No chance.



    Stranger things have happened. Don't people ever get tired of fighting?

    smiler594

    There is no denying Israel's state sponsored terrorism in Palestine. But … There is no denying Israel's state sponsored terrorism in Palestine. But look at the bigger picture, you will see hate on both sides, apartheid, needless lives lost in the continued chaos of a vicious cycle, caught in an endless loop...but let me ask you this...if there is but a 1% chance of peace, sustained peace in the region, ought it not to be explored?Consider the evils of the IRA. Look at them now. A legitimised form of government in power. There is always hope.



    ​coming from someone who knew nothing about problems between Catholics and Protestants in this country.......... have you been studying in the last few weeks?

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    shadey12

    ​coming from someone who knew nothing about problems between Catholics a … ​coming from someone who knew nothing about problems between Catholics and Protestants in this country.......... have you been studying in the last few weeks?



    Shadey, what makes you think that? Doesn't matter but my grandparents lived through the IRA times...told me all about it.

    http://img05.deviantart.net/7f3c/i/2014/207/8/0/freedom_for_palestine_by_shahbazrazvi-d7sbbrb.jpg

    Unless the Arab nations actually recognise the State of Israel and the Palastinians lay down their arms, there will be no peace in the Middle East any time soon.

    smiler594

    I'm an optimist..



    I'm neither an optimist or a pessimist, instead I'm a realist.

    smiler594

    Shadey, what makes you think that? Doesn't matter but my grandparents … Shadey, what makes you think that? Doesn't matter but my grandparents lived through the IRA times...told me all about it.



    ​a lot of your comments/threads disappear don't they.
    reminds me of something, can't put my finger on it.

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    Predikuesi

    Unless the Arab nations actually recognise the State of Israel and the … Unless the Arab nations actually recognise the State of Israel and the Palastinians lay down their arms, there will be no peace in the Middle East any time soon.



    Well, with agreements like these as proposed why shouldn't they?

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    Predikuesi

    I'm neither an optimist or a pessimist, instead I'm a realist.



    Yes but isn't a realist who expects a negative ending a pessimist?

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    shadey12

    ​a lot of your comments/threads disappear don't they.reminds me of s … ​a lot of your comments/threads disappear don't they.reminds me of something, can't put my finger on it.



    Shadey, could be no one in the world that matters gives a monkey about what we think, whether we want peace or not, we aren't the "players" here, are we? Yet if there was a peace, a sustained peace, wouldn't that make for a better world for all of us? Or do you think "constant conflict" is part of the condition of "human nature" and as a species we cannot exist without some form of war?

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    Count me wrong if you wish, but don't you think those that live in Israel and Palestine are just a bit fed up with 60 years of this conflict? Surely we could tap into that frustration as an agent to facilitate peace...

    shiahs and sunnis will get along and agree also?

    smiler594

    Yes but isn't a realist who expects a negative ending a pessimist?



    I'm positive that you're incorrect there.

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    Predikuesi

    I'm positive that you're incorrect there.



    I'm probably wrong about a lot of things but not in my passion to see peace.

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    davewave

    shiahs and sunnis will get along and agree also?



    Who knows. It has to start somewhere eh?

    Anyone who signs a peace agreement with Israel will undoubtedly think back to Sadat.
    http://a64.tinypic.com/voqvdz.jpg

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    Pred, true for the headline. Didn't know that. But isn't Egypt more relaxed about Israel ever since? Has "peace" with Israel not helped their tourist economy?

    smiler594

    Pred, true for the headline. Didn't know that. But isn't Egypt more … Pred, true for the headline. Didn't know that. But isn't Egypt more relaxed about Israel ever since? Has "peace" with Israel not helped their tourist economy?



    Egypt, by and large, have been the most friendly of the Muslim nations towards Israel, though it has allowed itself to get caught up with those nations who oppose the State of Israel in the past. What happened to Sadat could have easily happened to any head of state in the region at the time if they attempted to broker a deal with Israel. Egypt was not working in isolation regarding peace with Israel, but unfortunately those who assassinated Sadat were influenced by other Arab nations.

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    Predikuesi

    Egypt, by and large, have been the most friendly of the Muslim nations … Egypt, by and large, have been the most friendly of the Muslim nations towards Israel, though it has allowed itself to get caught up with those nations who oppose the State of Israel in the past. What happened to Sadat could have easily happened to any head of state in the region at the time if they attempted to broker a deal with Israel. Egypt was not working in isolation regarding peace with Israel, but unfortunately those who assassinated Sadat were influenced by other Arab nations.



    Pred, so they used fear as a weapon? Why has this been so effect a deterrent to peace for so long?

    smiler594

    Stranger things have happened. Don't people ever get tired of fighting?


    No Muslims dont

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    xbox360man

    No Muslims dont



    Unfair xboxman, takes two to fight. Neither side has been without shame.

    smiler594

    Unfair xboxman, takes two to fight. Neither side has been without shame.



    It's not entirely unfair. Unfortunately Muslims are barbarically killing Muslims in the Middle East. Of course, you could mention the different factions participating in the conflicts, but the common denominator is Islam.

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    Predikuesi

    It's not entirely unfair. Unfortunately Muslims are barbarically killing … It's not entirely unfair. Unfortunately Muslims are barbarically killing Muslims in the Middle East. Of course, you could mention the different factions participating in the conflicts, but the common denominator is Islam.



    Pred, I beg to differ. I don't think religion has anything to do with it, in scale. On a 1-1 or smaller scale maybe. But to me, religion is a tool of politicians, right wing extremists, religious zealots both Israeli and Islamic, sometimes even aligned,
    to further their own perverted plans for power or power sharing. It isn't religion that Lsbf the common denominator or a "hateful" extract of text in a "bible", it's those that would wield it into a sword to incite violence to further their own man made, and not divine, agenda.

    smiler594

    There is no denying Israel's state sponsored terrorism in Palestine. But … There is no denying Israel's state sponsored terrorism in Palestine. But look at the bigger picture, you will see hate on both sides, apartheid, needless lives lost in the continued chaos of a vicious cycle, caught in an endless loop...but let me ask you this...if there is but a 1% chance of peace, sustained peace in the region, ought it not to be explored?Consider the evils of the IRA. Look at them now. A legitimised form of government in power. There is always hope.



    IRA ​murderers in the Irish government makes you hopeful?

    smiler594

    Who knows. It has to start somewhere eh?



    ​yeah, lay down arms, stop using money for schools on terror tunnels into Israeli communities.

    davewave

    IRA ​murderers in the Irish government makes you hopeful?



    I think he meant the amount they have changed. But i also think you knew that.

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    davewave

    IRA ​murderers in the Irish government makes you hopeful?



    I think on the whole, the IRA transition to government has gone well post "terrorist IRA". Barring the splinter groups "Real IRA" etc, yes I'm hopeful. The scale of terrorism/Murders etc is certainly less than at pre "terrorist IRA" levels...

    The same could be possible for any terror group in the world. But it might take 3rd party intervention, a Russia, a China, a EU, or US to step in to facilitate.

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    davewave

    ​yeah, lay down arms, stop using money for schools on terror tunnels into … ​yeah, lay down arms, stop using money for schools on terror tunnels into Israeli communities.



    I think Dave, it would do you and those who support an Israel free of the threat of violence against it, to ask questions of how Israel might best compromise to gain agreements with those proposed among the Sunni states...perhaps seek to extend that process to be inclusive of Iran also. And then to imagine a largely unemployed IDF serving Israel in jobs that increase Israel's economic footprint in the region...do you want to see Israel prosper? Or are you just another warmonger?

    smiler594

    Pred, I beg to differ. I don't think religion has anything to do with it, … Pred, I beg to differ. I don't think religion has anything to do with it, in scale. On a 1-1 or smaller scale maybe. But to me, religion is a tool of politicians, right wing extremists, religious zealots both Israeli and Islamic, sometimes even aligned, to further their own perverted plans for power or power sharing. It isn't religion that Lsbf the common denominator or a "hateful" extract of text in a "bible", it's those that would wield it into a sword to incite violence to further their own man made, and not divine, agenda.



    Ok. If there was no such thing as Islam do you think there would be the same level of violence and terror in the Middle East today? It is the interpretation of Islam that is the cause of much of the conflict there. Different factions adopt various viewpoints regarding the life and teaching of Mohammed, which is always going to be a problem for any religion. It simply isn't true to say that religion has nothing to do with it. While it might not be everything to do with it, it does in fact play a role in conflicts. I'm not anti-religion by any means, but I do know that it is a convenient cloak for political and extremist agendas.

    Predikuesi

    Ok. If there was no such thing as Islam do you think there would be the … Ok. If there was no such thing as Islam do you think there would be the same level of violence and terror in the Middle East today? It is the interpretation of Islam that is the cause of much of the conflict there. Different factions adopt various viewpoints regarding the life and teaching of Mohammed, which is always going to be a problem for any religion. It simply isn't true to say that religion has nothing to do with it. While it might not be everything to do with it, it does in fact play a role in conflicts. I'm not anti-religion by any means, but I do know that it is a convenient cloak for political and extremist agendas.



    I agree to an extent, i think all religions are an issue though. Religion is a great way to make good people do bad things. Thankfully we live in a country that doesn't take religion too seriously anymore.

    smiler594

    Pred, I beg to differ. I don't think religion has anything to do with it, … Pred, I beg to differ. I don't think religion has anything to do with it, in scale. On a 1-1 or smaller scale maybe. But to me, religion is a tool of politicians, right wing extremists, religious zealots both Israeli and Islamic, sometimes even aligned, to further their own perverted plans for power or power sharing. It isn't religion that Lsbf the common denominator or a "hateful" extract of text in a "bible", it's those that would wield it into a sword to incite violence to further their own man made, and not divine, agenda.



    Religion has everything to do with it, and until people start growing some balls and admitting that we're going to be stuck in the same repetitive loop of

    - Religious terror incident/conflict
    - Excuse said religion as nothing to do with it
    - Spread of ideology increases as tolerance increases
    - Number of religious terror incidents/conflicts grows
    - See point 1

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    Predikuesi

    Ok. If there was no such thing as Islam do you think there would be the … Ok. If there was no such thing as Islam do you think there would be the same level of violence and terror in the Middle East today? It is the interpretation of Islam that is the cause of much of the conflict there. Different factions adopt various viewpoints regarding the life and teaching of Mohammed, which is always going to be a problem for any religion. It simply isn't true to say that religion has nothing to do with it. While it might not be everything to do with it, it does in fact play a role in conflicts. I'm not anti-religion by any means, but I do know that it is a convenient cloak for political and extremist agendas.



    Pred, yes you make a very good point in that religion "is a cloak for political and extremist agendas". I admit there are religious conflicts, perhaps more so among particular religious groups than others, but you ought to also consider the scale effect. If you were talking about 100k or about 1.6 billion people of one religious group, I think in all probability you'd find the greater "frequency" of religious conflict among the larger group, and hence your supposition would be correct.

    But I see religious zealots, extremist politicians as being a "multiplier" of those conflicts on a scale far greater than would exist without their intervention, and that throughout the History of Empire, this has been a fragility and barrier to any sustained peace.

    I also think any motivated extremist, could rifle through any page of text in any bible, and pervert it for his own violent gain.

    Thus the net effect of the above is purely Man made, not religious.

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    delboyd

    Religion has everything to do with it, and until people start growing … Religion has everything to do with it, and until people start growing some balls and admitting that we're going to be stuck in the same repetitive loop of- Religious terror incident/conflict- Excuse said religion as nothing to do with it- Spread of ideology increases as tolerance increases - Number of religious terror incidents/conflicts grows- See point 1



    Dell Boyd I see point 1 and after pint 4 it's an endless loop. But I think we can break it by using simple economics e.g. Jobs, stability, increases in trade derived from the previous etc.

    We just need the madmen consumed the the cycle to see how stupid they are for a continuation of said cycle...

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    Ps pardon my typo "after pint 4 it's an endless loop", it certainly will be tonight!!
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