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    it amazes me how some people get a job

    Ive been looking for work for 4 months and i have been trying very hard with no luck yet, and i am not proud to say it but I am also claiming job seekers allowance. Whilst it is a pittance without it I would struggle.
    So obviously I have to go to the job centre to sign on every other week, and the more i go there the more angry i get at the current staff.
    Firstly their appearance, its disgusting, most of the men walk around in shirt and tie but with their shirts hanging out fully, half in half out, laces undone i mean they are completely scruffy. When i go in there to sign on I at least expect to be dealt with by someone who takes some pride in their appearance. I have applied for several jobs with the job centre only to receive one letter of rejection from them. I know if I had got the job I would make it one of my main priorities to look presentable, i take pride in my appearance. I may even be classed as one of them Metrosexuals!! Lol

    Then it comes down to their attitude. I have found several jobs that require me to speak to the job centre to find out how to apply for them. This is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard of! You find a job, but they tell you how to apply for it!!
    Anyway I have taken several of these jobs to my advisor only to be told she doesn't have time to find the details. Its not just myself who is noticing this, my girlfriends aunt who has had many sales jobs that have paid over £50,000 PA is also out of work and claiming, her advisor told her that she is not capable of applying for jobs over £30,000 because she has no chance of getting them. My girlfriends aunt is a lovely women but will always stick up for herself and told the advisor that down the years she has probably paid more tax than he advisor has earned in wages. Only to be promptly marched out of the job centre by security guards.

    Honestly, I cannot believe some of the people employed in these places and the bad attitude that they show towards us job seekers. Its almost as if they are talking down to you.

    Rant over!! lol

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    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.

    Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.

    Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to

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    vibeone;5246653

    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when … Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to



    same as people who have to work..... they should be talked down to by people who dont need to work:thumbsup:

    vibeone;5246653

    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when … Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to



    Bait laid now you just have to wait for the bite

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    vibeone;5246653

    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when … Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to



    oh no they should not be talked down to my fella got made redundant last june after working for the same company for 19 years so you telling me he would deserve to get looked down on.

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    casparwhite;5246682

    same as people who have to work..... they should be talked down to by … same as people who have to work..... they should be talked down to by people who dont need to work:thumbsup:



    completely agree actually!

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    greyparrot;5246699

    oh no they should not be talked down to my fella got made redundant last … oh no they should not be talked down to my fella got made redundant last june after working for the same company for 19 years so you telling me he would deserve to get looked down on.


    Last JUNE?! Well he should be back in work - tidying trolleys at morrisons if he has to. Or is that 'beneath' him?

    Incredible! A YEAR?!

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    RedIron;5246688

    Bait laid now you just have to wait for the bite


    heheh... dunno what you mean

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    vibeone;5246703

    completely agree actually!



    pecking order

    I know where you're coming from here!

    I signed on in 2007, I was pregnant at the time and went in every fortnight. While I was waiting I would look on the job screens and print out anything I'd missed at home. Then I'd have to sit down with the 'adviser' and she'd go through jobs AGAIN, I asked why I couldn't do this at home (I already had been) and she said it was part of the terms and conditions to get my money.

    I signed on for all of 6 weeks and the constant talking down to and horrible nature (they treated a young lad who didn't even show up to appointments better than me!) they finally pushed me into a temporary job at 27 and a half weeks pregnant.....I had to leave it at 32 weeks and thankfully my maternity allowance kicked in which was more than jobseekers.

    I really hope you find a job soon

    vibeone;5246710

    Last JUNE?! Well he should be back in work - tidying trolleys at … Last JUNE?! Well he should be back in work - tidying trolleys at morrisons if he has to.Incredible! A YEAR?!



    he is back to work self employed now since october last year. he took from june to october off as a break and also because he was deciding what to do but never claimed as he got £12,000 redundancy.

    Yeh I think they should find me a job. Ive been stuck out of work now for over 6 months and what have they done?
    stuck me in a work experience placement. Im now typing this in an estate agents not getting paid at all.

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    casparwhite;5246722

    pecking order


    Definately - I should have perhaps specified that in my opening rant. Those that don't need to work > Those that do work > Those who can't be arsed to work and who just come out with excuse after excuse

    vibeone;5246653

    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when … Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to



    naa only peeps with no respect for others should be talked down too.

    My hubby got made redundent last week so its all new to me. He goes to income support tomorrow.

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    vibeone;5246756

    Definately - I should have perhaps specified that in my opening rant. … Definately - I should have perhaps specified that in my opening rant. Those that don't need to work > Those that do work > Those who can't be arsed to work and who just come out with excuse after excuse



    lol

    it amazes me people cant find jobs.....its like a member of staff saying there isnt anything to do

    i bet i could find something for them to do 10 fold!!

    ffs my old man is a construction site manager, due to the climate he is currently stacking shelves in morrisons.... not because he has to but because he isnt lazy and would rather have some kind of income coming in than nothing

    there are jobs just most people think they are above the jobs available, every roaddsweeper i see is polish the binman african.....polish etc etc

    Original Poster

    Firstly I do not want this to turn into a "im better than you" and " just take any job" kind of thread. That was not my intentions.
    I want a job to do with computers. Im fortunate that I do not have any commitments when it comes to things like mortgages etc etc. I have 7 jobs to apply for today which i am doing now. I am also applying for voluntary work with the citizens advice bureau, to get experience, and give me something to do as well as it giving me the chance of getting a permanent job there.

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    greyparrot;5246699

    oh no they should not be talked down to my fella got made redundant last … oh no they should not be talked down to my fella got made redundant last june after working for the same company for 19 years so you telling me he would deserve to get looked down on.



    You really don't have to justify yourself to children who don't or won't understand. It's tough out there at the moment. It isn't a case of there being a job for each person, but there being a job that each person can or will do.

    It's tough on people to have to go for work below the standard they have worked at for years. It can feel demeaning and from what I've heard the jobcentre seems not to cater for a lot of the workforce.

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    casparwhite;5246812

    lolit amazes me people cant find jobs.....its like a member of staff … lolit amazes me people cant find jobs.....its like a member of staff saying there isnt anything to doi bet i could find something for them to do 10 fold!!ffs my old man is a construction site manager, due to the climate he is currently stacking shelves in morrisons.... not because he has to but because he isnt lazy and would rather have some kind of income coming in than nothingthere are jobs just most people think they are above the jobs available, every roaddsweeper i see is polish the binman african.....polish etc etc



    Exactly, full respect to him. Do what it takes. Rep for your dad!

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    FilthAndFurry;5246939

    You really don't have to justify yourself to children who don't or won't … You really don't have to justify yourself to children who don't or won't understand. It's tough out there at the moment. It isn't a case of there being a job for each person, but there being a job that each person can or will do.It's tough on people to have to go for work below the standard they have worked at for years. It can feel demeaning and from what I've heard the jobcentre seems not to cater for a lot of the workforce.



    Is this a joke? Is it not demeaning to claim benefits because of your ego? (I'm saying your, but I mean in general)

    vibeone;5246653

    Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when … Yeah basically, I think its down to me not ranting on forums all day when I don't have a job.Get a job, then do the ranting - thats how I work.Oh and just on a sidenote, people out of work SHOULD be talked down to




    Making friends again I see Vibe!

    You are popular!

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    Just how I like it

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    vibeone;5247105

    Is this a joke? Is it not demeaning to claim benefits because of your … Is this a joke? Is it not demeaning to claim benefits because of your ego? (I'm saying your, but I mean in general)



    Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure because all society considers you worthy for is stacking shelves.

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    casparwhite;5246812

    lolffs my old man is a construction site manager, due to the climate he … lolffs my old man is a construction site manager, due to the climate he is currently stacking shelves in morrisons.... not because he has to but because he isnt lazy and would rather have some kind of income coming in than nothing



    But not everyone can do that. Not everyone can accept a job like that and be happy enough with it.

    FilthAndFurry;5247167

    Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure … Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure because all society considers you worthy for is stacking shelves.



    And what's wrong with shelf stacking? An essential part of modern life, if there weren't any shelf stackers the would be nothing for shoppers to buy :lol:

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    FilthAndFurry;5247167

    Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure … Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure because all society considers you worthy for is stacking shelves.


    Well frankly people who think that most certainly SHOULD be looked down upon.

    I was once a 'shelf stacker' - and I had the added task of hooking those banana's up at morrisons! I've moved on since, and I'm in a job I like.

    But if things go wrong, I'd go back there in a flash - especially over claiming benefits. Anyone who think it's beneath them should not be entitled to benefits.

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    vibeone;5247349

    Well frankly people who think that most certainly SHOULD be looked down … Well frankly people who think that most certainly SHOULD be looked down upon.I was once a 'shelf stacker' - and I had the added task of hooking those banana's up at morrisons! I've moved on since, and I'm in a job I like.But if things go wrong, I'd go back there in a flash - especially over claiming benefits. Anyone who think it's beneath them should not be entitled to benefits.



    I've had rubbish jobs in the past but always viewed them as temporary. If I had to go back to that job now then I would feel a bit of a failure.

    We're all different though. Some people work to live and some live to work. My job is hugely important to me and I feel as though it does in some ways define me. That gives me huge job satisfaction, but by the same token means I'd be unhappy doing something 'lesser'.

    I have to say the local Job Centre I used last time were very professional, when going through the stages of defining how I'd be applying for jobs they fully understood that I'd be looking for my own work and apologised that their system didn't show up suitable vacancies for my field of expertise. (I didn't expect them to have any) On my first appointment to check on my progress I'd found a suitable job and presented the acceptance letter to which the advisor seemed genuinely pleased and hearing some of the rubbish the advisor at the next desk was having to put up with it's not hard to see why.

    John

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    FilthAndFurry;5247424

    I've had rubbish jobs in the past but always viewed them as temporary. If … I've had rubbish jobs in the past but always viewed them as temporary. If I had to go back to that job now then I would feel a bit of a failure.



    Tough **** frankly. **** happens, and you have to deal with it. If that means stacking shelves "again", then so be it.

    I don't see how you can seriously defend people who would rather go on the dole than have a (maybe slightly crappy) job.

    FilthAndFurry;5247167

    Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure … Maybe, but it can be almost as demeaning to consider yourself a failure because all society considers you worthy for is stacking shelves.


    What exactly is wrong with stacking shelves. I have some of my fondest work memories from my days stacking shelves at the local supermarket. Certainly didn't do me any harm. There's work out there and if it pays and gives you a different life experience then its got to be better than relying on benefits. Chances are it leads on to better things too.

    Things like this really get on my wick! There is more to finding a job than just trudging to the job centre every two weeks. So many people rely on this alone to find a job and then moan that nothing is out there?! There is plently out there you just have to have to persistance to find it - Shops and newsagents advertise in windows, local newspaper, online recruitment - to be honest the LAST place i would look for a job would be the job centre - they are crap offering crap jobs

    FilthAndFurry;5247424

    I've had rubbish jobs in the past but always viewed them as temporary. If … I've had rubbish jobs in the past but always viewed them as temporary. If I had to go back to that job now then I would feel a bit of a failure.We're all different though. Some people work to live and some live to work. My job is hugely important to me and I feel as though it does in some ways define me. That gives me huge job satisfaction, but by the same token means I'd be unhappy doing something 'lesser'.



    I love my job and take pride in my work. You can deffinatley classify me as a live to work person.

    However if for any reason this job fell through and I faced claiming or a job that some people on here evidently feel is demeaning and makes you less of a person, then I'll take the job thanks! I have respect for myself and dont need 'society' to define how much respect I should command according to my job role.

    You can always take it as a temporary measure and look for something better.

    I'm sure my freinds would still speak to me even if I decided to sweep the streets for a living - then again maybe I am just lucky they are not shallow and judgemental.

    Yes OP I agree that Jobcenters probably dont always deal with things as they should, but then again I agree with one of the previous posts - just look at some of rubbish they have to deal with from the scoungers and scabs of society (not directed at anyone on the thread btw... before you leap on this). Anyone genuinley looking for work in a situation of need that HAS to sign on has my sympathy - especially in todays climate.

    I work in retail, for minimum wage. There is SOD ALL wrong with working for minimum wage - has to be better than not having a job and claiming the benefits you would be entitled too.

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    Becksdawe;5248801

    I work in retail, for minimum wage. There is SOD ALL wrong with working … I work in retail, for minimum wage. There is SOD ALL wrong with working for minimum wage - has to be better than not having a job and claiming the benefits you would be entitled too.



    I'm not saying there is. What I am saying is that it wouldn't be enough for some people.

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    vibeone;5247528

    Tough **** frankly. **** happens, and you have to deal with it. If that … Tough **** frankly. **** happens, and you have to deal with it. If that means stacking shelves "again", then so be it.I don't see how you can seriously defend people who would rather go on the dole than have a (maybe slightly crappy) job.



    I'm not defending them per se, I'm just trying to explain the frustration to people who may not understand.

    tanzc69;5248336

    Things like this really get on my wick! There is more to finding a job … Things like this really get on my wick! There is more to finding a job than just trudging to the job centre every two weeks. So many people rely on this alone to find a job and then moan that nothing is out there?! There is plently out there you just have to have to persistance to find it - Shops and newsagents advertise in windows, local newspaper, online recruitment - to be honest the LAST place i would look for a job would be the job centre - they are crap offering crap jobs



    I absolutely agree with this last bit.

    angelkelly;5248655

    I love my job and take pride in my work. You can deffinatley classify me … I love my job and take pride in my work. You can deffinatley classify me as a live to work person.However if for any reason this job fell through and I faced claiming or a job that some people on here evidently feel is demeaning and makes you less of a person, then I'll take the job thanks! I have respect for myself and dont need 'society' to define how much respect I should command according to my job role.You can always take it as a temporary measure and look for something better.I'm sure my freinds would still speak to me even if I decided to sweep the streets for a living - then again maybe I am just lucky they are not shallow and judgemental.Yes OP I agree that Jobcenters probably dont always deal with things as they should, but then again I agree with one of the previous posts - just look at some of rubbish they have to deal with from the scoungers and scabs of society (not directed at anyone on the thread btw... before you leap on this). Anyone genuinley looking for work in a situation of need that HAS to sign on has my sympathy - especially in todays climate.



    It's great that you feel like that. Not everyone does. It's nothing to do with how your friends treat you. If they're friends I doubt things would change.

    Johnmcl7;5247429

    I have to say the local Job Centre I used last time were very … I have to say the local Job Centre I used last time were very professional, when going through the stages of defining how I'd be applying for jobs they fully understood that I'd be looking for my own work and apologised that their system didn't show up suitable vacancies for my field of expertise. (I didn't expect them to have any) On my first appointment to check on my progress I'd found a suitable job and presented the acceptance letter to which the advisor seemed genuinely pleased and hearing some of the rubbish the advisor at the next desk was having to put up with it's not hard to see why.John



    I have never been to a job centre except to register for something or other a few years ago. Can't even remember what it was as we had just returned from abroad and weren't eligible to claim for anything (and wouldn't have anyway as we arrived back with decent savings).

    But I do remember being treated politely and professionally in the way you describe. At the same time, while I was waiting to be dealt with, a young woman was escorted out of the building. She was shouting serious abuse at more than one member of staff.

    I'd guess job centre employees are probably hard-working and professional people on the whole. They'd also need pretty thick skin if they have to regularly deal with the kind of thing I saw - which I suspect most of them do.

    Taking these things into consideration, their dress code wouldn't seem to be a particularly important aspect of their work.

    That doesn't sound too dissimilar to the Job Centre I had to go to (I'd been made redundant and apparently had to claim JSA due to some issue with the government issued redundancy pay), many of the people in the centre seemed to be there just for benefits judging by the discussions that were going on at the time. These seemed to consist of why people hadn't turned up for yet another job interview so I was impressed with the patience and professionalism shown by the staff there although I appreciate that's just one place.

    John
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