''It's only a plant, Cannabis never killed anyone''

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Found 31st Oct 2016
What is it with small minded drug users who feel the need to defend it's use at every possibile opportunity?

Every time my local paper posts an article about a raid or such the top comments are always full of this rubbish. Here's the top comment on the most recent article

''Cracks me up how people make such a big thing over a few plants ..... But has anyone ever died from it ??? It'll be legal soon enough so I wouldn't worry too much''

These type of comments continue on and on and on. I might just be living in a city full of addicts but this is probably most people's opeinions across the country. It is illegal because it can cause underlying mental health issues which has been proven time and time again. When will people get this into their heads?

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Here is another classic.

''Come on people, they can't leagalize weed because it's been known to cure cancers which means no money for the pharmaceutical companies!''

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Did you miss your morning coffee?

plenty of arguments for and against.
wonder what would have happened if cannabis had made water fit to drink instead of turning it to alcohol all those years ago

and another thing since when has cannabis been a planet

shadey12

and another thing since when has cannabis been a planet



don't know, but mercury can kill you.

Addicts will of course defend whatever they are addicted to. I would assume that there are just a fair few drug addicts that read your local paper.

opinion* Wow, whats your beef. *Previous Cannabis smoker* But i have stopped for 6 years now. I honestly don't see the problem with it. If you're going with it giving you mental health issues as being the only reason to not make it legal your argument is just as flawed as everyone elses. Sad fact is tobacco gives you cancer, sugar give you diabetes, alcohol gives you sclerosis, and stress can easily give you mental health issues. Should we make Stress illegal?

All this aside it costs us as tax payers millions to keep it out of the country and enforce laws around it even though it still very much exists and is easy to get. You might as well legalise it and tax it for profits. The country would be in a better state for it.

Edited by: "Kintsune" 31st Oct 2016

Actually parts of it do help with cancer and also the effects of radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

Im not bothered if it is made legal either .

Cigarettes cause mouth, throat and lung cancer.

Alcohol causes mental problems too, you can become psychotic from it and many a family break ups are caused by it.

Yet both are legal....

No I don't smoke it before you ask.

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shadey12

and another thing since when has cannabis been a planet



X) fixed.

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drasim

Addicts will of course defend whatever they are addicted to. I would … Addicts will of course defend whatever they are addicted to. I would assume that there are just a fair few drug addicts that read your local paper.



I am starting to think that too.

I think someone needs to roll up a doobie and relaaaaaax

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Kintsune

opinion* Wow, whats your beef. *Previous Cannabis smoker* But i have … opinion* Wow, whats your beef. *Previous Cannabis smoker* But i have stopped for 6 years now. I honestly don't see the problem with it. If you're going with it giving you mental health issues as being the only reason to not make it legal your argument is just as flawed as everyone elses. Sad fact is tobacco gives you cancer, sugar give you diabetes, alcohol gives you sclerosis, and stress can easily give you mental health issues. Should we make Stress illegal? All this aside it costs us as tax payers millions to keep it out of the country and enforce laws around it even though it still very much exists and is easy to get. You might as well legalise it and tax it for profits. The country would be in a better state for it.



I understand the argument about tobacco etc, but nothing we can do about those now. Why add another potentially lethal drug into the equation?

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Treboeth

I think someone needs to roll up a doobie and relaaaaaax



I have absoloutely nothing against people who smoke it just so we can be clear here, that is their choice.

I've no issue with it, I used to smoke it myself never did me or my friends any harm.
I've never smoked cigarettes and I'm not really a drinker so it was my happy time.
I'm all up for them making it legal, like said above if they did they'd make a fortune.

MrScotchBonnet

I understand the argument about tobacco etc, but nothing we can do about … I understand the argument about tobacco etc, but nothing we can do about those now. Why add another potentially lethal drug into the equation?



Because sadly it already exists in the equation. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a world free from pain and things that cause it, But sadly thats not a reality. we have to live with the hands we're dealt. and how it is currently. There's nothing we can do about a drug problem. People will continue to grow it, people will continue to sell it. and despite throwing money at the problem and giving people jail time for a now class B drug. (Unless that's changed now) we're just wasting money on a problem that is equal or less worst than things that are legal. So we might as well supply it as a nation, and tax is heavily to improve the country for the better.

MrScotchBonnet

It is illegal because it can cause underlying mental health issues which … It is illegal because it can cause underlying mental health issues which has been proven time and time again.

Er no it isn't, its illegal because J Edgar Hoover was a racist and wanted an excuse to crack down on Mexicans. Also it hasn't been proved time and time again that it causes mental health issues, it has been shown that Skunk may cause some issues but that is all.

MrScotchBonnet

Why add another potentially lethal drug into the equation?

Because its not potentially lethal, it is NON TOXIC.

Honestly I'm not sure what my stance is on it. Personally It's not my thing, but I think it's more in line with alcohol than it is with cigarettes, caffeine or sugar. (I'm not sure there are many road accidents or domestic violence incidents from a sugar rush)

I can understand why it is difficult to legalise though because of the varying THC levels

nhs.uk/Con…spx
cannabis is not a proven cause , yet.
Definite links to mental health issues though, plenty if links show it IMO.

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123thisisme

Because its not potentially lethal, it is NON TOXIC.



Ok,whatever. Like I said I don't have an issue with someone who likes to smoke it, that's totally down to them. I am just against people trying to preach it does no damage and it's perfectly safe.


Edited by: "MrScotchBonnet" 31st Oct 2016

MrScotchBonnet

I am just against people trying to preach it does no damage and it's … I am just against people trying to preach it does no damage and it's perfectly safe.

But that's right, with the possible exception of skunk, even then its only a problem to people who have underlying mental issues.

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Treboeth

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Schizophrenia/Pages/Causes.aspxcannabis is … http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Schizophrenia/Pages/Causes.aspxcannabis is not a proven cause , yet.Definite links to mental health issues though, plenty if links show it IMO.



An obvious reason why it is still illegal. It probably doesn't have an immediate effect on users and perhaps never will for the majority but it's clear it is a harmful substance.

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123thisisme

But that's right, with the possible exception of skunk, even then its … But that's right, with the possible exception of skunk, even then its only a problem to people who have underlying mental issues.



You can't prove that.

Its a plant nothing wrong with it.

Sure heroin, cocaine and others are from plants also.

Not forgetting shrooms.

MrScotchBonnet

Here is another classic.''Come on people, they can't leagalize weed … Here is another classic.''Come on people, they can't leagalize weed because it's been known to cure cancers which means no money for the pharmaceutical companies!''



Yep thats a classic one.

Millions of pounds go into research for drugs, if cannabis cures cancers then hardly any money would need to go into research on it. Thus meaning more money for them, a HELL of a lot more money, because it'll be the only drug that cures cancer...!.

Plus if cannabis does help with reducing tumors..etc, then it ISN'T the cheese you smoke. It'll be another form of cannabis.

Smoking cannabis initially makes you relaxed, but the side effects are you'll get mood swings and depression. That's a fact. Its still a drug and should only be legalized in the form of medication, if there's proven benefits. And not for anyone to buy.

Kintsune

Because sadly it already exists in the equation. Don't get me wrong. I'd … Because sadly it already exists in the equation. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a world free from pain and things that cause it, But sadly thats not a reality. we have to live with the hands we're dealt. and how it is currently. There's nothing we can do about a drug problem. People will continue to grow it, people will continue to sell it. and despite throwing money at the problem and giving people jail time for a now class B drug. (Unless that's changed now) we're just wasting money on a problem that is equal or less worst than things that are legal. So we might as well supply it as a nation, and tax is heavily to improve the country for the better.


Why not legalise crack and heroin too?.

Its too strong nowadays I see loads of young people with messed up headd because of it. BAck in my day when it was mostly resin and no way near as potent as green is now. SKunk was a treat you had to make do with resin but it did the job.

Think it would be hard to legislate given how long it stays in the system. Don't know if they have an on the spot test to verify blood content although I have seen them doing presence/absence tests at the roadside.
Wouldn't want people driving around stoned although there still seem to be plenty drink drivers about and very little police presence (round my parts anyway).
Operating machinery aside, don't believe pot is anywhere as dangerous as cigs or alcohol.

I dont know the answer!

"Doesn't do any harm"

Yeah okay so why is it when I (rarely) see the stoners of my youth they are now pretty much zombified.

Gateway drug also, not that it makes you want to try something more dangerous but when it's sold by people who are also pushing meth, H or Coke, with the first try being free it's not hard to see how many end up as the dregs of society.
Think legalising cannabis would help in this respect.

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dtovey89

"Doesn't do any harm"Yeah okay so why is it when I (rarely) see the … "Doesn't do any harm"Yeah okay so why is it when I (rarely) see the stoners of my youth they are now pretty much zombified.



And probably on the dole if that's how they look!

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J4GG4

Yep thats a classic one. Millions of pounds go into research for drugs, … Yep thats a classic one. Millions of pounds go into research for drugs, if cannabis cures cancers then hardly any money would need to go into research on it. Thus meaning more money for them, a HELL of a lot more money, because it'll be the only drug that cures cancer...!.Plus if cannabis does help with reducing tumors..etc, then it ISN'T the cheese you smoke. It'll be another form of cannabis.Smoking cannabis initially makes you relaxed, but the side effects are you'll get mood swings and depression. That's a fact. Its still a drug and should only be legalized in the form of medication, if there's proven benefits. And not for anyone to buy.



But look at the photographic facts!

http://collectivelyconscious.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cannabis-cures-7-out-of-10-cancer-patients-chemotherapy-kills-7-out-of-10-cancer-patients.jpg
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/marijuana-cancer.jpg

Created and shared by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

MrScotchBonnet

And probably on the dole if that's how they look!



It's often a gateway drug and causes long term psychosis.

I think its too easy to look at the addicts and say that for that reason it should never be made legal,

People addicted to smoking put themselves and others in harms way, stink and tend to litter.
People addicted to drinking also put themselves and others in harms way and are also prone to irrationality and violence.
People addicted to cannabis put themselves and others in harms way and cannot finish sentences.

Addiction is always a problem. I would say you cant base the argument against legalisation because people can abuse it - people abuse solvents and whipped cream canisters after all.

If someone wants to get giggly on the weekend then its fine with me. The only issue I have is that they put cash in the hands of the same criminals that sell guns and steal pension money. The sooner the government can take the revenue from the scum that sell drugs the better.

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dtovey89

It's often a gateway drug and causes long term psychosis.


But only if they already had an underlying issue. *Rolls eyes*

MrScotchBonnet

But look at the photographic facts!Created and shared by people who have … But look at the photographic facts!Created and shared by people who have no idea what they're talking about.


Probably more idea than you. You need to educate yourself before starting threads like this.
Edited by: "Dantooine" 31st Oct 2016

Dantooine

need to educate yourself before starting threads like this.



Here come the conspiracy theorists!

Cannabis should only ever be used for medical treatment and even then it is heavily exploited.

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Dantooine

Probably more idea than you. You need to educate yourself before … Probably more idea than you. You need to educate yourself before starting threads like this.



Perhaps you could educate me?
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