Found 12th Feb
Am I the only one who believes John Wick is one of the most overrated movies of all time?

It's alright for a bit of comedy but to say it's a great action movie is insulting. I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will blow Wick out of the water, and then some. Anybody wish to debate this with me?

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Personally... I think it is a good film, just like The Equalizer which is a great film as well. Everyone will have different opinions but I think it's a good film for what it is meant to be about which is a 'Hitman' or 'Mercenary'. I haven't seen the second one but I really enjoyed the first John Wick.

Edited by: "Danjw91" 12th Feb

Sorry, I can't debate you because I agree. From what I remember, lots of bullets & he doesn't get a scratch.

bubblegum2910

Sorry, I can't debate you because I agree. From what I remember, lots of … Sorry, I can't debate you because I agree. From what I remember, lots of bullets & he doesn't get a scratch.


Then you haven't seen it.

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Danjw91

Personally... I think it is a good film, just like The Equalizer which is … Personally... I think it is a good film, just like The Equalizer which is a great film as well. Everyone will have different opinions but I think it's a good film for what it is meant to be about which is a 'Hitman' or 'Mercenary'. I haven't seen the second one but I really enjoyed the first John Wick.



​What annoys me the most is that nothing was explained properly about John Wick's history. Just the fact that he killed a guy with a **** pencil?! That is insulting to me as a viewer and they expect me to go along with that?

He has a lot to prove in my opinion.

Overrated? I thought the general opinion was that its crap. oO

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Then we all agree the character John Wick is just a glamorous comedian and nothing to be taken seriously?
Edited by: "kay1992" 12th Feb

Liked the first one, yes it's quite ridiculous but would you rather see that or la la land?

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westy125

Liked the first one, yes it's quite ridiculous but would you rather see … Liked the first one, yes it's quite ridiculous but would you rather see that or la la land?



La la land looks decent actually. Thanks for the suggestion oO

John wick - 7.2 on imdb

John wick chapter 2 - 8.6 on imdb

Both seem quite well regarded to me. Personally I enjoyed the first, but wasn't expecting much so was pleasantly surprised, films are usually better if you haven't been influenced by the hype first. Haven't seen the second yet.

kay1992

​What annoys me the most is that nothing was explained properly about J … ​What annoys me the most is that nothing was explained properly about John Wick's history. Just the fact that he killed a guy with a **** pencil?! That is insulting to me as a viewer and they expect me to go along with that? He has a lot to prove in my opinion.



Then the film will be so long.... look at Batman vs Superman, they done what you've said in that, explain his past etc.... it was **** in my opinion. Batman vs Superman dragged on, I walked out the cinema I was that disappointed.
Edited by moderator: "Potty mouth" 12th Feb

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Danjw91

Then the film will be so long.... look at Batman vs Superman, they done … Then the film will be so long.... look at Batman vs Superman, they done what you've said in that, explain his past etc.... it was sh** in my opinion. Batman vs Superman dragged on, I walked out the cinema I was that disappointed.



​At least it's explained where it all originated from. I'm concentrating purely on action movies. Lethal Weapon, Commando, Beverly Hills Cop. Their reasons and motives are there for doing the things they do. John Wick decides to shortcut it's way through with one ridiculous explanation by some Russian mob guy. Sorry I ain't buying that!

kay1992

​At least it's explained where it all originated from. I'm concentrating p … ​At least it's explained where it all originated from. I'm concentrating purely on action movies. Lethal Weapon, Commando, Beverly Hills Cop. Their reasons and motives are there for doing the things they do. John Wick decides to shortcut it's way through with one ridiculous explanation by some Russian mob guy. Sorry I ain't buying that!


A retired hitman, already on the edge because of the recent death of his wife, gets battered in his own home, his dog (the last gift his wife ever bought him) is killed in front of him and his car is stolen.

What more reason do you want?

stuarthanley

Then you haven't seen it.



I did watch it, just after it came out, but I lost interest.

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stuarthanley

A retired hitman, already on the edge because of the recent death of his … A retired hitman, already on the edge because of the recent death of his wife, gets battered in his own home, his dog (the last gift his wife ever bought him) is killed in front of him and his car is stolen. What more reason do you want?



I couldn't take it seriously.​ The film is more of a homage to Keanu Reeves. Nothing is original. Please read that back to yourself and tell me it isn't so cliche? X)
Edited by: "kay1992" 12th Feb

Never even heard of it until I saw a trailer for John wick 2 . Must be a classic

kay1992

I couldn't take it seriously.​ The film is more of a homage to Keanu R … I couldn't take it seriously.​ The film is more of a homage to Keanu Reeves. Nothing is original. Please read that back to yourself and tell me it isn't so cliche? X)


And yet you've suggested Commando..... oO

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stuarthanley

And yet you've suggested Commando..... oO



​Commando was the first of it's kind though..

kay1992

​Commando was the first of it's kind though..


But you're suggesting that you can take the plot and action of commando seriously. Millions of bullets. Arnie doesn't get hit once. Cheesy one liners.

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stuarthanley

But you're suggesting that you can take the plot and action of commando … But you're suggesting that you can take the plot and action of commando seriously. Millions of bullets. Arnie doesn't get hit once. Cheesy one liners.



​Yet all original.

kay1992

...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will … ...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will blow Wick out of the water, and then some. Anybody wish to debate this with me?



Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in preparation for their respective performances as Keanu Reeves has in his portrayal of John Wick.

Instead of producing a "dictionary", just name your top 5, or top 10, actors & the characters they played.

Best film I've ever seen. Amazing action hero. I want his babies.

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fanpages

Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in … Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in preparation for their respective performances as Keanu Reeves has in his portrayal of John Wick.Instead of producing a "dictionary", just name your top 5, or top 10, actors & the characters they played.



​Please..anybody could have played John Wick. Not sure how Keanu Reeves got the role. He plays weirdos more than anything (Constantine, Earth Stood Still, Matrix - computer nerd/hacker).

Martin Riggs would no doubt blow up Wick's Mustang, slap him around a bit then take his gun.

kay1992

...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will … ...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will blow Wick out of the water, and then some. Anybody wish to debate this with me?

fanpages

Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in … Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in preparation for their respective performances as Keanu Reeves has in his portrayal of John Wick.Instead of producing a "dictionary", just name your top 5, or top 10, actors & the characters they played.

kay1992

​Please..anybody could have played John Wick. Not sure how Keanu Reeves g … ​Please..anybody could have played John Wick. Not sure how Keanu Reeves got the role. He plays weirdos more than anything (Constantine, Earth Stood Still, Matrix - computer nerd/hacker). Martin Riggs would no doubt blow up Wick's Mustang, slap him around a bit then take his gun.



I suggest you research Reeve's credentials as a martial artist both on-screen & off-screen.

Martin Riggs (Mel Gibson) wouldn't be able to do anything now.

...and wasn't Riggs' reason for being a 'Lethal Weapon' because his wife died & left him a pen?

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kay1992

...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will … ...I can produce a dictionary of action movies/action heroes who will blow Wick out of the water, and then some. Anybody wish to debate this with me?

fanpages

Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in … Not many "action heroes" (read: actors) will have devoted as much time in preparation for their respective performances as Keanu Reeves has in his portrayal of John Wick.Instead of producing a "dictionary", just name your top 5, or top 10, actors & the characters they played.

kay1992

​Please..anybody could have played John Wick. Not sure how Keanu Reeves g … ​Please..anybody could have played John Wick. Not sure how Keanu Reeves got the role. He plays weirdos more than anything (Constantine, Earth Stood Still, Matrix - computer nerd/hacker). Martin Riggs would no doubt blow up Wick's Mustang, slap him around a bit then take his gun.



Have you forgotten what Riggs did in Lethal Weapon 2?

The South African conglomerate killed his wife then his new girlfriend. What did Riggs do? Ties up their safe house on the beach to his pickup truck and brings it down in the dirt. He then decides to go to their boat and blow up their billions of dollars into the water. There is no way in hell John Wick is capable of doing that.

John Wick was one of the most underrated movies i think. Very little fuss about it when it was released. Not many people watched it. I think it is a great film in that genre. Reeves is good at what he does.

I am however interested to hear the dictionary of action heros/films which will 'blow Wick out of the water' if you wish to indulge?

kay1992

Have you forgotten what Riggs did in Lethal Weapon 2? The South African … Have you forgotten what Riggs did in Lethal Weapon 2? The South African conglomerate killed his wife then his new girlfriend. What did Riggs do? Ties up their safe house on the beach to his pickup truck and brings it down in the dirt. He then decides to go to their boat and blow up their billions of dollars into the water. There is no way in hell John Wick is capable of doing that.



No, I haven't forgotten about the incredibly awful South African accents in that movie either.

The main difference between Riggs & Wick is that Riggs wants to die (because he has nothing to live for), & Wick wants to put his past behind him because he believed (prior to the events in the first Chapter) that he had everything to live for.

...So Mel Gibson as Martin Riggs is your "dictionary".

No wonder you do not appreciate other action movies & the actors/actresses within them.

​wasn't he known as the boogeyman.? or feared by the boogeyman? I really enjoyed the film, felt his history was clarified well without wasting time on a historical monologue or clichéd flashbacks.
wick is called upon to carry out the hit when nobody else could succeed. then he retires when fell in love , and then goes after those that wrong him . considering for was made by the stunt coordinator from the matrix which I loved, made the action and gun scenes more acceptable and enjoyable. cant wait for chapter 2.
it is all matter of opinion, people love the Hobbit and frodo & Harry potter films, but for me they are too long winded and tangled/confusing. I much prefer a good action film like John wick.

kay1992

​What annoys me the most is that nothing was explained properly about J … ​What annoys me the most is that nothing was explained properly about John Wick's history. Just the fact that he killed a guy with a **** pencil?! That is insulting to me as a viewer and they expect me to go along with that? He has a lot to prove in my opinion.

kay1992

[quote=fanpages] [quote=kay1992] Have you forgotten what Riggs did in … [quote=fanpages] [quote=kay1992] Have you forgotten what Riggs did in Lethal Weapon 2? The South African conglomerate killed his wife then his new girlfriend. What did Riggs do? Ties up their safe house on the beach to his pickup truck and brings it down in the dirt. He then decides to go to their boat and blow up their billions of dollars into the water. There is no way in hell John Wick is capable of doing that.



2 different genres. Weapon is a comedy action. Wick is Action (possibly action drama). You did however mention two of the funniest pieces of acting in that time tho, Patsy and the south african accent and the accent of the main SA guy. 'Diplomatic Immunity' Priceless.

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lufc_ginge

John Wick was one of the most underrated movies i think. Very little fuss … John Wick was one of the most underrated movies i think. Very little fuss about it when it was released. Not many people watched it. I think it is a great film in that genre. Reeves is good at what he does. I am however interested to hear the dictionary of action heros/films which will 'blow Wick out of the water' if you wish to indulge?



​I have named a few already. I'd like to hear your debate on how a washed up henchman like John Wick (not Keanu Reeves) is anything of their calibre.

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lufc_ginge

2 different genres. Weapon is a comedy action. Wick is Action (possibly … 2 different genres. Weapon is a comedy action. Wick is Action (possibly action drama). You did however mention two of the funniest pieces of acting in that time tho, Patsy and the south african accent and the accent of the main SA guy. 'Diplomatic Immunity' Priceless.



​Comedy action they may be but the back stories were enough for it to be taken seriously.

John Wick has no story, he killed a guy with a pencil. Wow, I respect him for that. Has a few gun skills that's about.

He's definitely not blowing up houses and boats that's for sure.
Edited by: "kay1992" 12th Feb

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t3rm3y

​wasn't he known as the boogeyman.? or feared by the boogeyman? I really e … ​wasn't he known as the boogeyman.? or feared by the boogeyman? I really enjoyed the film, felt his history was clarified well without wasting time on a historical monologue or clichéd flashbacks. wick is called upon to carry out the hit when nobody else could succeed. then he retires when fell in love , and then goes after those that wrong him . considering for was made by the stunt coordinator from the matrix which I loved, made the action and gun scenes more acceptable and enjoyable. cant wait for chapter 2. it is all matter of opinion, people love the Hobbit and frodo & Harry potter films, but for me they are too long winded and tangled/confusing. I much prefer a good action film like John wick.



​So cliche, a boogeyman just because the Russian mobster said so. But all I see is him shooting a small pistol X) X) X)
Edited by: "kay1992" 12th Feb

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Basically, proper action movies/heroes died a long time ago. Hollywood are now recycling terribly to fit into this new generation of twitter fans.

I enjoyed John Wick and I'll be at the cinema next week for the new one, I did however watch it as an act of fiction with its sole intent to entertain me which it did, Riggs vs Wick in a fight, prob not Wick, Reeves vs Gibson in a fight, without a doubt, Reeves, films like this are made to entertain, the only debating they warrant is after a few beers in the pub.
Edited by: "devlino" 12th Feb

kay1992

Basically, proper action movies/heroes died a long time ago. Hollywood … Basically, proper action movies/heroes died a long time ago. Hollywood are now recycling terribly to fit into this new generation of twitter fans.



You cannot name anybody other that Martin Riggs can you?

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devlino

I enjoyed John Wick and I'll be at the cinema next week for the new one, … I enjoyed John Wick and I'll be at the cinema next week for the new one, I did however watch it as an act of fiction with its sole intent to entertain me which it did, Riggs vs Wick in a fight, prob Wick, Reeves vs Gibson in a fight, without a doubt, Reeves, films like this are made to entertain, the only debating they warrant is after a few beers in the pub.



​Hahaha yeah right. Wick is like a newborn Lamb compared to Martin Riggs.

kay1992

​Comedy action they may be but the back stories were enough for it to be t … ​Comedy action they may be but the back stories were enough for it to be taken seriously. John Wick has no story, he killed a guy with a pencil. Wow, I respect him for that. Has a few gun skills that's about. He's definitely not blowing up houses and boats that's for sure.



Again, if you think Wick has "a few gun skills" you obviously have never fired a gun!

Wick's house is blown-up in Chapter 2. The Joker (in "The Dark Knight") also killed a guy with a pencil.

PS. "Edited By: kay1992 on Feb 12, 2017 17:42: Grammer"

^ Grammar.

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fanpages

You cannot name anybody other that Martin Riggs can you?



I can but you're choosing to be a smartass rather than having a sensible fun debate. You're not flowing with the conversation. You could easily counter but you're trying to put all the heat on me.​

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fanpages

Again, if you think Wick has "a few gun skills" you obviously have never … Again, if you think Wick has "a few gun skills" you obviously have never fired a gun!Wick's house is blown-up in Chapter 2. The Joker (in "The Dark Knight") also killed a guy with a pencil.PS. "Edited By: kay1992 on Feb 12, 2017 17:42: Grammer"^ Grammar.



​Are you supposed to be some gun expert? Don't take it personally mate, this was supposed to be a bit of fun. No need to patronize anybody here. As kids we used to debate whether the Hulk could beat Superman. That's all this was supposed to be.

It's a disposable, decent action film. Nothing special.

Mad Max Fury Road on the other hand is one of the great action films of all time, so it is possible to make great action films, but John Wick just ain't one of them.

kay1992

​Comedy action they may be but the back stories were enough for it to be t … ​Comedy action they may be but the back stories were enough for it to be taken seriously. John Wick has no story, he killed a guy with a pencil. Wow, I respect him for that. Has a few gun skills that's about. He's definitely not blowing up houses and boats that's for sure.


Lethal weapon had no more of a back story than "his wife died and he had major depression". Any legitimate police department would have put him on long term sick.
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