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    Juncker now needs an army, cant recall voting for him - has he heard of NATO?

    Ex BBC

    The European Union needs a military headquarters to work towards a common military force, the Commission president has told MEPs in Strasbourg.

    Jean-Claude Juncker said the lack of a "permanent structure" resulted in money being wasted on missions.

    Part of his annual state of the union address was devoted to the UK's unexpected vote to leave the EU.

    He insisted that the bloc was not at risk and urged Brexit negotiations to take place as quickly as possible.

    Mr Juncker warned that the UK could not expect selective "a la carte" access to the internal market without accepting free movement of people.

    The single market has dominated the Brexit debate in the UK. Prime Minister Theresa May distanced herself from remarks by Brexit minister David Davis when he said remaining in the single market would be "very improbable" if it meant giving up control of British borders.

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    splatsplatsplat


    Ha Ha, very very funny
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    I'll be reading the comments in these voices I think.

    splatsplatsplat


    Apparently my work computer doesn't like links with Giant bombs in them.
    I certainly didn't ask or vote for that level of control to be lost.
    Edited by: "Oneday77" 14th Sep 2016

    I don't recall voting for May
    But the lady has an army

    This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?

    thewongwing101

    I don't recall voting for May But the lady has an army



    And lip hair

    stuarthanley

    This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the … This isn't the "EU Army" that was touted as "leave lies" before the referendum, is it?



    Why yes it is!

    Graham1979

    Why yes it is!


    Well well well.....

    thewongwing101

    I don't recall voting for May But the lady has an army



    Ah, allow me to clear up your confusion

    Your vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.

    In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?

    Graham1979

    And lip hair


    What? Call 118
    http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4762591.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/118-118.jpg

    Edited by: "Wongy110" 14th Sep 2016

    jayjayuk1234

    Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the … Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?


    Let's just clear a few things up.
    Theresa May wasn't the leader of the Tory party at the time of the vote so your sarcastic retort is inaccurate.

    stuarthanley

    Let's just clear a few things up. Theresa May wasn't the leader of the … Let's just clear a few things up. Theresa May wasn't the leader of the Tory party at the time of the vote so your sarcastic retort is inaccurate.



    It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an individual) which we feel represents our political views. The party elect their own leader, any prime minister (or party leader) can step down and resign when they like. We don't get another vote because the leadership has changed.

    So, once again. When you vote bear this in mind for the future


    Edited by: "jayjayuk1234" 14th Sep 2016

    I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.

    Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?

    I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.

    I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.

    jayjayuk1234

    It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an … It's irrelevant, i already told you that we elect a party (not an individual)



    Actually if we're being picky you elect an individual - an MP.

    The reality is that people also vote for parties or leaders too but it's hardly worth getting bothered about.
    Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 14th Sep 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Actually if we're being picky you elect an individual - an MP. The … Actually if we're being picky you elect an individual - an MP. The reality is that people also vote for parties or leaders too.



    Well, ok you vote for your local MP, but they are meant to represent the overall ethics of the party.

    A change of leader shouldn't drastically alter that

    Edited by: "jayjayuk1234" 14th Sep 2016

    jayjayuk1234

    Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the … Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?


    No confusion here was merely making thoose points

    You mean like Westminster and their location for Trident

    jayjayuk1234

    Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the … Ah, allow me to clear up your confusionYour vote alone doesn't decide the outcome, everyone who is eligible to vote are able to vote on which political party they chose, and the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister. So in short the Voters do not directly vote on who becomes Prime Minister.In future before voting perhaps you should know what you're voting for?



    'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'
    Put very well

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other … I find little endearing about Juncker, but when I hear him or any other politician speak I ask myself one simple question.Does what they're proposing make my prospects and my ability to provide for my children better or worse? Are their prospects improved by these plans?I find nothing concerning in Juncker's comments about the state or military operations. What does concern me is his comments on the single market.I think throughout this whole thing, people have ignored their responsibilities as adults, as parents and as men if I'm being quite honest, but that is modern society.



    Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.

    Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon.

    If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider.

    This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.


    Edited by: "cchopps" 14th Sep 2016

    cchopps

    Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about … Liked by mistake, and here's why because you should be worried about Juncker and his plans.Just imagine for one moment an EU army. In the future there may be trouble on the streets in, let's say Athens. Now that's not too hard to imagine at all. Now think of EU soldiers Hungarian division being deployed to quell the troubles. Don't worry though. The Greek EU army division has not been disbanded, its busy on the streets in Lisbon. If I wanted to control a superstate and it's people with an iron fist it's exactly what I would consider. This is a very serious development and was not put on the table prior to Brexit for strategic reasons. For all those that dream of the UK somehow not invoking article 50, this news should show you what we have managed to disentangle ourselves from.



    I've read this about five times and I simply can't agree with what you're saying here. I'm trying to contextualise it, view it within the world we live in and I'm just struggling. Sorry I can't give a better response that that - maybe it's the heat and maybe you're entirely correct, but I can't really offer much more than that.

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I've read this about five times and I simply can't agree with what you're … I've read this about five times and I simply can't agree with what you're saying here. I'm trying to contextualise it, view it within the world we live in and I'm just struggling. Sorry I can't give a better response that that - maybe it's the heat and maybe you're entirely correct, but I can't really offer much more than that.



    Fair enough. Economic and military central control across 27 countries sounds a bit like the old Soviet Union to me. The Russians were deployed in many of the 15 countries it encompassed to ensure the people were kept under control.
    Edited by: "cchopps" 14th Sep 2016

    It seems all Mr Junker does is warn the UK, next thing he will have an EU army and be warning the UK!.....:{

    thewongwing101

    I don't recall voting for May But the lady has an army



    Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.

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    Fred Smith

    Unless you live in his constituency you didn't vote for Cameron either.


    too much logic for him - well put!

    davewave

    too much logic for him - well put!


    Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PM
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    thewongwing101

    Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for … Yes this was my point ffs if you didn't vote there you didn't vote for the PM


    the army existed before Cameron or May, we do not need a duplicate army in EU by an undemocratic president who does not represent the people of the EU and wants to build a dynasty.

    thewongwing101

    Like May



    Not just a reply to you but looking at the replies in here, I'm curious to know what changes, if any, people would like to see in the voting process for a PM. In the case of resign, would you rather the public vote on a new PM within the conservatives or hold a general election?

    thewongwing101

    'your vote doesn't decide the outcome,'Put very well



    Ha, out of context quote - You know full well what i meant

    Like May or indeed any politician what one doesn't want to build a dynasty ?
    like we have any sort of democracy in this country ffs ?

    jayjayuk1234

    Ha, out of context quote - You know full well what i meant


    Still true for MOST people in this country
    you are wrong

    the leader of the party who wins becomes the Prime Minister.


    it is a fairly meaningless statement full stop
    but I take it you mean the leader of the largest party
    this is also wrong
    Edited by: "Wongy110" 14th Sep 2016

    drasim

    Not just a reply to you but looking at the replies in here, I'm curious … Not just a reply to you but looking at the replies in here, I'm curious to know what changes, if any, people would like to see in the voting process for a PM. In the case of resign, would you rather the public vote on a new PM within the conservatives or hold a general election?


    What we need imo is a return to the 'cabinet' system
    where the PM had to justify and get consent for their decisions

    An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.

    You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.

    coathanger

    An incredibly disturbing development that should not be … An incredibly disturbing development that should not be underestimated.You have to ask, why was this not put to the UK population prior to The Referendum? If it was, the result would have been far far greater for Brexit for sure.


    It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"

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    stuarthanley

    It was. It was written off as "leave lies and misinformation"



    27th May 2016 news headlines. I would love to have listened to the reaction of today's news if we had chosen to stay. Of course if we had chosen to stay I would have accepted that decision, but personally speaking I would have been devastated. Bearing in mind how close the referendum result was, I think we had an incredibly lucky escape.

    It's also worth remembering it was more than a whisper that David Cameron's so called concessions received from the EU prior to the referendum were at the expense of accepting the EU army.
    Edited by: "cchopps" 14th Sep 2016

    [email protected]

    Pure fantasy, … Pure fantasy, apparently.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-armyOf course Junker has been voicing the need for a EU army for a while.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31796337


    Seems to be a lack of comments on here from those that scoffed at these so-called lies...

    thewongwing101

    Still true for MOST people in this countryyou are wrong it is a fairly … Still true for MOST people in this countryyou are wrong it is a fairly meaningless statement full stopbut I take it you mean the leader of the largest partythis is also wrong



    No, as you're being pedantic now, of course we all know the queen has to choose the prime minister 'supposedly'. And what i meant was (as you well know) that one persons vote doesn't decide all, nothing more nothing less. You can nit pick what i typed all you like, it will be ignored

    it is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber

    If this is the foundation of your argument then there is no point in our conversation, i won't get involved in a 'straw man' argument with supercilious idiots on a shopping forum.


    Edited by: "jayjayuk1234" 14th Sep 2016

    jayjayuk1234

    No, as you're being pedantic now, of course we all know the queen has to … No, as you're being pedantic now, of course we all know the queen has to do it. And what i meant was (as you well know) that one persons vote doesn't decide all, nothing more nothing lessit is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamberIf this is the foundation of your argument then there is no point in our conversation, i won't get involved in a 'straw man' argument with supercilious idiots


    ^this^

    The europeans will never pay out for an army,they like to sit and watch the us &uk paying for nato.

    The Germans use the wars as an excuse not to fight , the dutch just run away, the irish/swedes just stand on the sidelines and do nothing, the italians X) ,the spanish have done nothing since the Armada set sail,the french might be of some use,leaving the just the British as usual to pay in blood and money to help clean up other peoples mess.

    Oh and by the way Russia has now rebuilt and has a far superior armed force than anything the mickey mouse europeans could put together.
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