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    labour leadership election result expected soon

    Labour leadership election officially announced at 11.45 am even though its already been unofficially realised.

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    Original Poster

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    archer1204


    May be only true if there are just two parties (labour vs. Tory), however, as demonstrated by Farage, it took him decades to thrust a landslide fundamental change, good or bad change. However if there are more than 3 or 4 parties making 51% majority impossible, then Corbyn labour IS not in wilderness as he command a fraction of the population even if not 51%.

    Original Poster

    splender

    May be only true if there are just two parties (labour vs. Tory), … May be only true if there are just two parties (labour vs. Tory), however, as demonstrated by Farage, it took him decades to thrust a landslide fundamental change, good or bad change. However if there are more than 3 or 4 parties making 51% majority impossible, then Corbyn labour IS not in wilderness as he command a fraction of the population even if not 51%.


    Do you think labour under JC will win the next election
    Edited by: "archer1204" 24th Sep 2016

    Corbyn is the face for a gang of thugs. I hope he loses.

    Cant see Labour getting back in any time soon - far too much Tory propaganda circulating to prevent that.

    Only way the Tory stronghold will be broken is if UKIP continue to grow.

    Original Poster

    JC can barely get a shadow cabinet together this nation deserves a decent opposition.

    Not by any means agreeing with Corbyn's policies - but he is honest. Unlike a Certain ex PM that walked a couple of months ago after ballsing the country up.

    Original Poster

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    Who could've guessed?

    Original Poster

    Momentum is the danger.

    that's a nice safe Tory win at the 2020 General Election then X)

    118luke

    Not by any means agreeing with Corbyn's policies - but he is honest. … Not by any means agreeing with Corbyn's policies - but he is honest. Unlike a Certain ex PM that walked a couple of months ago after ballsing the country up.


    Honest X)

    Like he was about his support for the EU? The man lies constantly. Having an honest face does not make one honest, it just makes a liar more dangerous.

    He is a great asset to the Conservatives.

    archer1204

    Do you think labour under JC will win the next election


    No single party will guarantee winning the next election if it may very well be a coalition government, we have had it before. Many Lib Dems were shocked with tactical results of last. This is where Corbyn is positioned. Same for Fallon, James, Greens, SNP....etc.. So it ball park, if Tory get 40%, SNP 8%, Lib Dems 7%, Others 5%, Labour 1, 20% , Labour 2 20%; then it could be interesting for Corbyn. (May be UKIP surge ahead with a few % out of this.)
    Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016

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    splender

    No single party will guarantee winning the next election if it may very … No single party will guarantee winning the next election if it may very well be a coalition government, we have had it before. Many Lib Dems were shocked with tactical results of last. This is where Corbyn is positioned. Same for Fallon, James, Greens, SNP....etc..


    Who will labour go in coalition with ukip?

    DarkEnergy2012

    that's a nice safe Tory win at the 2020 General Election then X)


    Not necessarily. If Labour splits, and both splinters realise that first-past-the-post will never again work in their favour, gang up with the Lib Dems and Greens and run one candidate in each constituency between them on a single-issue proportional representation ticket, then we may be spared permanent tory rule.

    Rubisco

    Not necessarily. If Labour splits, and both splinters realise that … Not necessarily. If Labour splits, and both splinters realise that first-past-the-post will never again work in their favour, gang up with the Lib Dems and Greens and run one candidate in each constituency between them on a single-issue proportional representation ticket, then we may be spared permanent tory rule.



    Proportional Representation is a hope that is never going to be realised in this country.

    archer1204

    Who will labour go in coalition with ukip?



    Rubisco

    Not necessarily. If Labour splits, and both splinters realise that … Not necessarily. If Labour splits, and both splinters realise that first-past-the-post will never again work in their favour, gang up with the Lib Dems and Greens and run one candidate in each constituency between them on a single-issue proportional representation ticket, then we may be spared permanent tory rule.


    So it ball park, if Tory get 40%, SNP 8%, Lib Dems 7%, Others 5%, Labour 1, 20% , Labour 2 20%; then it could be interesting for Corbyn. (May be UKIP surge ahead with a few % out of this.) Whether you like all of Corbyn's lot or not, without a question, every vote counts. Don't underestimate Corbyn's lots especially in this category , the high % of households in forgotten parts of Englands and Wales.
    .
    After Brexit, Tory may split into Tory 1 and Tory 2, especially if Labour does this or if they shaft each other during Brexit negotions in the next years which turn into a bitter fight to expose the wounds since 1973.

    Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016

    great news for the Tories, unfortunately I remember what the last woman who served more than one term did to this country.

    archer1204

    Who will labour go in coalition with ukip?


    Although coalition is possible, but this time, after the last disasterous Lib Dem experience, the parties may not. So it could be deal on deal basis, each party will , I scratch your back if you scratch mine next time. Namely some thing for each party.
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    As can be seen from 1960's, labour and tory are incapable of satisfying majority of people majority of time.
    Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016

    I think most people like a party sharer , like a plate of food, something for everyone, if you don't like Trident or like Trident, you may want to swap and make a deal on bed room tax or cataracts for NHS, or make a deal on tuition fees for extra tax on sugar, blah blah, just pick and mix, party mix.

    Predikuesi

    Proportional Representation is a hope that is never going to be realised … Proportional Representation is a hope that is never going to be realised in this country.


    Worked in referendum just three months' ago.

    splender

    Worked in referendum just three months' ago.



    That was a completely different voting senario.

    Predikuesi

    That was a completely different voting senario.


    This could pave the way for the future, anyway, Corbyn has increased his mandate from 59% to 61%, meaning he is here to stay. Even if some issues are bad but there are good issues. Looks like the next few months would be bloody, then followed by Tory blood bath, SNP may get a blood bath if Scotex kicks in.

    Original Poster

    splender

    This could pave the way for the future, anyway, Corbyn has increased his … This could pave the way for the future, anyway, Corbyn has increased his mandate from 59% to 61%, meaning he is here to stay. Even if some issues are bad but there are good issues. Looks like the next few months would be bloody, then followed by Tory blood bath, SNP may get a blood bath if Scotex kicks in.


    What good issues this country deserves a decent opposition meanwhile labour will rip themselves apart

    archer1204

    What good issues this country deserves a decent opposition meanwhile … What good issues this country deserves a decent opposition meanwhile labour will rip themselves apart


    Lots, infrastructiral strategy, housing strategy, foreign policy, industrial strategy for exports growth, union/employer relations transformation, NHS strategy...

    118luke

    Cant see Labour getting back in any time soon - far too much Tory … Cant see Labour getting back in any time soon - far too much Tory propaganda circulating to prevent that.Only way the Tory stronghold will be broken is if UKIP continue to grow.



    ​Each party pushes their own agenda, you could similarly typecast Labour or Ukip agenda as propaganda.

    Labour are now totally unelectable due to one fundamental issue: Corbyn's opposition to our nuclear deterrent and his support for CND.

    Trying to hide it behind other lesser issues is ridiculous.

    The Conservatives now have the opportunity for even further right wing politics without any fear of opposition, making The Labour Party the protest movement Corbyn's always wanted.

    The entire demographic of Corbyn's vote comes from those who recently ambushed the Labour Party: Momentum and other fringe loony left wing groups.

    Corbyn argues "The Party now needs to come together and stop infighting". For that you can read "Everyone must now agree with my crazy ideologic views and then we'll all be one big happy family".

    The Labour Party will already be preparing their response to losing the next General Election "It's the media" "It's the BBC" "It's Murdoch". Routes are now being drawn up on where to hold their placards up outside Westminster.

    Prime Minister May, the floor is all yours.

    coathanger

    Labour are now totally unelectable due to one fundamental issue: Corbyn's … Labour are now totally unelectable due to one fundamental issue: Corbyn's opposition to our nuclear deterrent and his support for CND.Trying to hide it behind other lesser issues is ridiculous. The Conservatives now have the opportunity for even further right wing politics without any fear of opposition, making The Labour Party the protest movement Corbyn's always wanted.The entire demographic of Corbyn's vote comes from those who recently ambushed the Labour Party: Momentum and other fringe loony left wing groups.Corbyn argues "The Party now needs to come together and stop infighting". For that you can read "Everyone must now agree with my crazy ideologic views and then we'll all be one big happy family".The Labour Party will already be preparing their response to losing the next General Election "It's the media" "It's the BBC" "It's Murdoch". Routes are now being drawn up on where to hold their placards up outside Westminster. Prime Minister May, the floor is all yours.



    ​the far left wing is just as bigoted and narrow minded as the far left...Corbyn is dangerous.

    Corbyn is a scruffy git who has no place on the world's stage.

    His policies suck, he doesn't have the fake smile that Blair lured votes in but he is just as abhorrent.

    Hopefully he will ruin the Labour Party forever.

    Mark2111

    Corbyn is a scruffy git who has no place on the world's stage.His … Corbyn is a scruffy git who has no place on the world's stage.His policies suck, he doesn't have the fake smile that Blair lured votes in but he is just as abhorrent.Hopefully he will ruin the Labour Party forever.



    Good grief! That's harsh

    deeky

    Good grief! That's harsh but true



    i agree now i've fixed that one for you X)

    Corbyn again? (_;)
    Labour won't come to power in the next 20 years!
    Edited by: "zworld" 24th Sep 2016

    Corbyn is a union puppet and that's why he has got elected. It is a shame but labour will never win with Corbyn at the helm.
    Send him in sort out the IS as he wants to solve issue talking.

    Original Poster

    This is the dangerous JC's puppetmaster
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    Edited by: "archer1204" 24th Sep 2016

    i will be voting for corbyn in the next general election

    professorEX

    i will be voting for corbyn in the next general election



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    One other point, he's beat nobody.

    Defeating a man who said he'd ignore Brexit simply further reinforces the Referendum result

    Brexit is non negotiable, this result will turn into an embarrassment for the Labour Party at the General Election.

    coathanger

    Labour are now totally unelectable due to one fundamental issue: Corbyn's … Labour are now totally unelectable due to one fundamental issue: Corbyn's opposition to our nuclear deterrent and his support for CND.


    In game theory, one could tell others we haven't got it but we do in secret. After 600 years of victorious Empire force combat one can be sure to squirrel away these weapons and not tell Corbyn.

    hutchir9

    Corbyn is a union puppet and that's why he has got elected. It is a shame … Corbyn is a union puppet and that's why he has got elected. It is a shame but labour will never win with Corbyn at the helm. Send him in sort out the IS as he wants to solve issue talking.


    Every leader is a puppet to somebody(ies) except a dictator. There is not one PM since WW1+2 who has not been a puppet to someone including Churchill (he was a puppet to Roosevelt). How you may ask, just look at how many countries gained independence after WW2 and replaced with American bases in these countries. The key is what you do as benefits and achievement to the nation while being a puppet. (This includes being partially a puppet to the EU as people take turns to pull the strings.)


    Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016
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