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    Laptop question (Sata drive/intergrated graphics)?

    Was just looking at ordering a new laptop from Dell and the one i was looking at ordering had 'intergrated graphics' and a 120gb Sata harddrive. Can anybody tell me if the 'intergrated graphics' will be ok for just general use via vista premium for just surfing the web/watching occassional dvds etc (wont be playing any PC games) and if the harddrive being a 'SATA' drive will make any difference to anything?

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    SATA is just faster than IDE - better connection to use,
    Intregrated won't use the aero feature of home premium but fine for basic tasks. Hope that helps.

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    seancampbell

    SATA is just faster than IDE - better connection to use,Intregrated won't … SATA is just faster than IDE - better connection to use,Intregrated won't use the aero feature of home premium but fine for basic tasks. Hope that helps.



    Ohh, SATA thing sounds good, however have just gone ahead and ordered one and since read about the 'aero' thing. having an intergrated graphics card, is it going to be a big thing not being able to use 'aero' or is a graphics card something i can add after?

    It'd be very difficult to add a graphics card, as there almost certainly isn't room for one. Aero isn't a huge deal though but if' it's one of the reasons you chose premium you may be disappointed.

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    seancampbell

    It'd be very difficult to add a graphics card, as there almost certainly … It'd be very difficult to add a graphics card, as there almost certainly isn't room for one. Aero isn't a huge deal though but if' it's one of the reasons you chose premium you may be disappointed.



    Think i need to have a look into what aero actually does! Don't think it'll matter too much to be honest, it'll be faster than the one i have now which will make me happy enough Cheers for your help seancampbell :thumbsup:

    it makes everything look nice and shiny, adds lots of neat visual effects n stuff... but i have VIsta Premium and use vista basic, AERO just uses too much of the CPU/memory for it to be useful on my pc

    Can I just say that integrated graphics cards on laptops CAN be used with AERO on Vista, it just depends on the quality of the card and memory resources.

    In addition to this notebook graphics cards are all technically 'integrated', so it could just be bad wording from Dell.

    Can the OP be more specific and give the model number? I can give a definative answer to the original question then.

    Cheers
    Simon

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    Simon_G

    Can I just say that integrated graphics cards on laptops CAN be used with … Can I just say that integrated graphics cards on laptops CAN be used with AERO on Vista, it just depends on the quality of the card and memory resources.In addition to this notebook graphics cards are all technically 'integrated', so it could just be bad wording from Dell.Can the OP be more specific and give the model number? I can give a definative answer to the original question then.CheersSimon



    It's the Dell laptop with e value code UKDHSONL-N046M6 only upgrade i have made is added the truelife screen. Thanks :thumbsup:

    That ECode brings up the Inspirion 6400 which comes with the integrated Intel Media Accelerator 950 graphics chip as standard.

    configure.euro.dell.com/del…ok1

    Intel claim that this card will run the Aero features of Vista with no problems at all.

    The card itself however uses shared memory to get the full 256MB it claims it has, so from the 1GB of memory that the laptop comes with a whole 256MB of it will be reserved for the graphics card. You cannot reduce this at all (it is stuck at 256MB) so you will only be able to use 768mb of memory in Vista itself.

    Now, although it is RECOMMENDED that you have 2GB of memory for Vista to run fluently, it will operate with 1GB of memory quite happily. Aero is graphics card memory hungry (as apposed to system memory hungry) so the 256MB dedicated to the integrated card on this laptop really is needed if you want to see all the effects Vista has. Of course the drawback is that even if you dont want to see the effects, the graphics card will still use that 256MB of memory, leaving you just 768MB for Vista itself. On normal usage (Word, internet, email etc) this will be fine, but don't expect to be playing any of the latest games at all, or running more than one large program at once without noticing slowdown on the laptop itself.

    Dell offer you the choice of an upgrade to a 256MB ATI® Mobility™ Radeon® X1400 HyperMemory™ graphics card for an extra £70.

    This card, although better, ALSO shares the system memory. You will be able to play games on it, but you will still be left with the same problem of only having 768MB to Run Vista with.

    The spec of the machine really is not right for running Vista on it, however these companies will insist on including it with new computers, at the expense of functionality and performance I hasten to add.

    The upgrade to the ATI card is also not worth it as you gain very little over the integrated card. In fact the Geforce upgrade at £100 also uses system memory, so although you will gain in the graphics stakes, you are still losing memory.

    It depends on what you want to do with the laptop to be honest. General internet browsing, writing a letter, email, basic tasks will be fine, but unless you upgrade the memory from 1GB to 2GB, you will only have 768MB of memory to use, which will, regardless of the grahics card, lead to a slow running laptop if you have more than one memory hungry program going on at once.

    Hope this helps. Feel free to ask more questions if you have them.

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    Simon_G

    That ECode brings up the Inspirion 6400 which comes with the integrated … That ECode brings up the Inspirion 6400 which comes with the integrated Intel Media Accelerator 950 graphics chip as standard.]http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&kc=FS00004&l=en&oc=N04646&rbc=N04646&s=dhs&sbc=ukdhsftdhpnotebook1Intel claim that this card will run the Aero features of Vista with no problems at all.The card itself however uses shared memory to get the full 256MB it claims it has, so from the 1GB of memory that the laptop comes with a whole 256MB of it will be reserved for the graphics card. You cannot reduce this at all (it is stuck at 256MB) so you will only be able to use 768mb of memory in Vista itself.Now, although it is RECOMMENDED that you have 2GB of memory for Vista to run fluently, it will operate with 1GB of memory quite happily. Aero is graphics card memory hungry (as apposed to system memory hungry) so the 256MB dedicated to the integrated card on this laptop really is needed if you want to see all the effects Vista has. Of course the drawback is that even if you dont want to see the effects, the graphics card will still use that 256MB of memory, leaving you just 768MB for Vista itself. On normal usage (Word, internet, email etc) this will be fine, but don't expect to be playing any of the latest games at all, or running more than one large program at once without noticing slowdown on the laptop itself.Dell offer you the choice of an upgrade to a 256MB ATI® Mobility™ Radeon® X1400 HyperMemory™ graphics card for an extra £70. This card, although better, ALSO shares the system memory. You will be able to play games on it, but you will still be left with the same problem of only having 768MB to Run Vista with.The spec of the machine really is not right for running Vista on it, however these companies will insist on including it with new computers, at the expense of functionality and performance I hasten to add.The upgrade to the ATI card is also not worth it as you gain very little over the integrated card. In fact the Geforce upgrade at £100 also uses system memory, so although you will gain in the graphics stakes, you are still losing memory.It depends on what you want to do with the laptop to be honest. General internet browsing, writing a letter, email, basic tasks will be fine, but unless you upgrade the memory from 1GB to 2GB, you will only have 768MB of memory to use, which will, regardless of the grahics card, lead to a slow running laptop if you have more than one memory hungry program going on at once.Hope this helps. Feel free to ask more questions if you have them.



    Thanks ever so much for that, it's always useful to know, however the laptop is the 640M :oops: ]http//co…6M6 which is what i get when i put that e vaule code in?!

    To be honest, i doubt i'll ever want to play any games or anything on it (just not into that kinda thing with a PSP and DS to hand :)) will mostly just be for internet, occasional word/excel document and CD/DVD related type things, which as far as i know aren't too demanding?! Just after a laptop that runs a bit quicker than my own as i've had this a while now and it has an intermittent mouse fault which drives me up the wall! Will be a shame if i have premium not to make full use of it, but don't think it'd bother me at all not having aero as it doesn't seem to make any difference to the actual performance. Reason for having vista premium was 1. it came with the laptop i chose and 2. am sure i read somewhere it has a media centre type thing which the basic doesn't have?! Thanks again for your help:thumbsup:

    microsoft.com/win…spx

    Describes extras such as:
    Aero
    Mobility Centre (no idea what effect i has though)
    Windows Meeting Space
    Windows Media Centre
    PC Backup
    Limited Remote Access - not as much as business
    Easy Network Wizard
    Burn DVDs with Windows DVD maker
    Extra free games - Chess Titans, Mahjong, and Inkball.
    Windows Movie Maker HD

    however the laptop is the 640M



    Ooops!

    You have no worries with the integrated graphics and Aero as this machine has 2GB of memory making up for the 256MB you will lose with the grahics card shared memory.

    Just checked that spec out, if you can afford it, go for the memory upgrade to 2GB 667 memory. You will get a little boost in memory performance with this, and its only £17 extra. Well worth it I'd say.

    Enjoy.
    Simon

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    Simon_G

    Ooops!You have no worries with the integrated graphics and Aero as this … Ooops!You have no worries with the integrated graphics and Aero as this machine has 2GB of memory making up for the 256MB you will lose with the grahics card shared memory.Just checked that spec out, if you can afford it, go for the memory upgrade to 2GB 667 memory. You will get a little boost in memory performance with this, and its only £17 extra. Well worth it I'd say.Enjoy.Simon



    That means aero WILL work? :?

    Original Poster

    seancampbell

    ]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspxDescribes extras such as:AeroMobility Centre (no idea what effect i has though)Windows Meeting SpaceWindows Media CentrePC BackupLimited Remote Access - not as much as businessEasy Network WizardBurn DVDs with Windows DVD makerExtra free games - Chess Titans, Mahjong, and Inkball.Windows Movie Maker HD



    Thanks very much for that. Can actually find out about what i'll be getting now! :thumbsup:

    littlesheepy

    That means aero WILL work? :?



    Looks like it but I have heard it runs better with a better graphics card as you'd expect. You might want to try it out, can always disable it if you find any slowdown (though with the tasks you need to do you shouldn't!)

    That means aero WILL work?



    It will work with the integrated graphics, and will work with 1GB of memory, however the better the graphics card and the more system memory you have will result in a better experience. Your 2GB of memory will be fine for the task.

    To be honest, after you have ooohh'd and arrrrrrrrr'd over the pretty graphics, you will probably turn it off as it really can drain the system of resources.

    Regards
    Simon

    Original Poster

    Simon_G

    It will work with the integrated graphics, and will work with 1GB of … It will work with the integrated graphics, and will work with 1GB of memory, however the better the graphics card and the more system memory you have will result in a better experience. Your 2GB of memory will be fine for the task.To be honest, after you have ooohh'd and arrrrrrrrr'd over the pretty graphics, you will probably turn it off as it really can drain the system of resources.RegardsSimon



    LOL you know me so well. Am sure the novelty will wear off quickly! Thanks ever so much for your help Simon, it's most appreciated

    Original Poster

    seancampbell

    Looks like it but I have heard it runs better with a better graphics card … Looks like it but I have heard it runs better with a better graphics card as you'd expect. You might want to try it out, can always disable it if you find any slowdown (though with the tasks you need to do you shouldn't!)



    Cheers (will leave you some rep as soon as it'll let me!) That link you posted is most useful :thumbsup:

    No worries
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