Let's just spend more tax payers money :-/

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Found 8th Dec 2016
I must be getting old & like a moan,but I'm going to say it & take any flack back that I may deserve.

My other half works for Cordia & her & the tens of thousands of staff that work for Cordia have all to be given a phone so that bosses can track them.

Today she got her phone & I was expecting her to come in with a brick due to what the phone is needed for.

She comes home with a brand new iPhone SE.

Who decided to spend millions of pounds on such a phone when they could easily have bought much cheaper phones.
This is almost criminal.

This is one of many reasons why hospitals can't afford beds !!

Rant over.

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Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?

Then go down to CEX and sell them the phone.

Disgraceful, sounds like your just jealous X)

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LoRdPlOps111

Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to … Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to CEX and sell them the phone.


I'm not a staff member,so they will just laugh it off.


Snakeyes646

Disgraceful, sounds like your just jealous X)


It's all funny just now,but just wait until you or your child needs a hospital bed.

LoRdPlOps111

Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to … Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to CEX and sell them the phone.

Snakeyes646

Disgraceful, sounds like your just jealous X)




NEVER underestimate the power of social media, if you are as chuffed off as you sound it's your perfect platform to vent.

It depends on what software it needed to run and the terms of the deal.

Without knowing that you're moaning without all the information.

This is a total cost of ownership calculation of which hardware is a (small) component?! So costings would have been modelled using different phones.

However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is probably more expensive to roll out across hundres(thousands??) of users. With an iPhone apple does all of the security patching and updating. how many cheap chinese phones are going to get security updates after 6 or 12 months? Most will never see an upgrade from whatever they were shipped with, given the propensity for people like Gearbest to ship their phones with their own ROMs, which are likely to have numerous security holes and/or intentional access points, do you really want data/info to be available to them?

Plus most users are idiots, cheap phones will require lots of support, which costs money to provide. So yes the intial cost of an iphone is higher but the ongoing cost is lower and the potential for secuirty breaches is massively reduced. Saving £200 per phone might seem like a good idea until all of Codia's data is hacked and released online, then the £2m saved over 10,000 phones is chump change compared to the loss of future contracts (say goodbye to your wifes job) and compensation claims and fines from the ICO.

Why do they need to be tracked? Are they prone to running away?

LoRdPlOps111

Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to … Wouldn't you be better off tweeting about this to Cordia?Then go down to CEX and sell them the phone.

Snakeyes646

Disgraceful, sounds like your just jealous X)



My other half got a bed just just fine yesterday actually even if it was just for an hour.

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celticninja

However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is … However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is probably more expensive to roll out across hundres(thousands??) of users. With an iPhone apple does all of the security patching and updating. how many cheap chinese phones are going to get security updates after 6 or 12 months? Most will never see an upgrade from whatever they were shipped with, given the propensity for people like Gearbest to ship their phones with their own ROMs, which are likely to have numerous security holes and/or intentional access points, do you really want data/info to be available to them?Plus most users are idiots, cheap phones will require lots of support, which costs money to provide. So yes the intial cost of an iphone is higher but the ongoing cost is lower and the potential for secuirty breaches is massively reduced. Saving £200 per phone might seem like a good idea until all of Codia's data is hacked and released online, then the £2m saved over 10,000 phones is chump change compared to the loss of future contracts (say goodbye to your wifes job) and compensation claims and fines from the ICO.


Makes more sense,but do Apple actually do anything cheap ?

Snakeyes646

My other half got a bed just just fine yesterday actually even if it was … My other half got a bed just just fine yesterday actually even if it was just for an hour.


Was it a quickie?

Great phone and it will last longer overall and get regularly updated, so for once the powers that be have made a wise choice. Well done Cordia management!

splender

This is a total cost of ownership calculation of which hardware is a … This is a total cost of ownership calculation of which hardware is a (small) component?! So costings would have been modelled using different phones.



Next time I take a maths test and it asks which number is bigger, I'm going to quote you.

celticninja

However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is … However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is probably more expensive to roll out across hundres(thousands??) of users. With an iPhone apple does all of the security patching and updating. how many cheap chinese phones are going to get security updates after 6 or 12 months? Most will never see an upgrade from whatever they were shipped with, given the propensity for people like Gearbest to ship their phones with their own ROMs, which are likely to have numerous security holes and/or intentional access points, do you really want data/info to be available to them?Plus most users are idiots, cheap phones will require lots of support, which costs money to provide. So yes the intial cost of an iphone is higher but the ongoing cost is lower and the potential for secuirty breaches is massively reduced. Saving £200 per phone might seem like a good idea until all of Codia's data is hacked and released online, then the £2m saved over 10,000 phones is chump change compared to the loss of future contracts (say goodbye to your wifes job) and compensation claims and fines from the ICO.



Windows Phones are probably more secure than iphones, also a majority can be had for under £100. You could buy them one every year, much better value than iphones, more robust, Do you know anyone with an iphone that hasn't got a cracked screen?.

lol

Windows phones r mint

The NHS ( and all government bodies) management need to undergo fundamental change to ensure that they spend our money as though it were their own.

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Moonwolf1976

Great phone and it will last longer overall and get regularly updated, so … Great phone and it will last longer overall and get regularly updated, so for once the powers that be have made a wise choice. Well done Cordia management!


Maybe so,but if you get twice as long out of the phone,but have paid triple the price, then it's not a good buy.
Only time will tell I suppose.
Not long ago we got told Holyrood would be great for Scotland & would only cost us around £50 million & that quickly got changed to £500 million, so yes they make many a big mistakes.

iPhones are more secure in theory remember the case of the FBI trying to get Apple to open up a terrorists phone and apple refusing to comply if that had of been a Windows or android phone it would of been much easier or so I'm lead to believe what I do know is Android operates with an open source code, meaning malware is much more common in fact I think I read somewhere something like 6 out of 10 android phones have malware I definitely think picking iPhone was the best choice easy operating system to use and possibly the safest.

larrylightweight

iPhones are more secure in theory remember the case of the FBI trying to … iPhones are more secure in theory remember the case of the FBI trying to get Apple to open up a terrorists phone and apple refusing to comply if that had of been a Windows or android phone it would of been much easier or so I'm lead to believe what I do know is Android operates with an open source code, meaning malware is much more common in fact I think I read somewhere something like 6 out of 10 android phones have malware I definitely think picking iPhone was the best choice easy operating system to use and possibly the safest.



​And do remember the outcome of the FBI case? A private security firm hacked the iPhone for them quite easily. Also, due to percieved safety, iPhone users are much less likely to run anti virus software, which is a growing problem.

celticninja

However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is … However the security and update procedure for a no-name chinese brand is probably more expensive to roll out across hundres(thousands??) of users. With an iPhone apple does all of the security patching and updating. how many cheap chinese phones are going to get security updates after 6 or 12 months? Most will never see an upgrade from whatever they were shipped with, given the propensity for people like Gearbest to ship their phones with their own ROMs, which are likely to have numerous security holes and/or intentional access points, do you really want data/info to be available to them?Plus most users are idiots, cheap phones will require lots of support, which costs money to provide. So yes the intial cost of an iphone is higher but the ongoing cost is lower and the potential for secuirty breaches is massively reduced. Saving £200 per phone might seem like a good idea until all of Codia's data is hacked and released online, then the £2m saved over 10,000 phones is chump change compared to the loss of future contracts (say goodbye to your wifes job) and compensation claims and fines from the ICO.



​Knowing Apples pricing policy, I'd be amazed if Cordia couldn't get a much better hardware deal deal on 2/3 year old mid range branded phone from someone like Samsung etc. All other long term costs and patching issues would be comparable.

larrylightweight

iPhones are more secure in theory remember the case of the FBI trying to … iPhones are more secure in theory remember the case of the FBI trying to get Apple to open up a terrorists phone and apple refusing to comply if that had of been a Windows or android phone it would of been much easier or so I'm lead to believe what I do know is Android operates with an open source code, meaning malware is much more common in fact I think I read somewhere something like 6 out of 10 android phones have malware I definitely think picking iPhone was the best choice easy operating system to use and possibly the safest.



Windows phones are more secure, iphones have already been hacked, Sure Windows phone might be less secure if hackers targeted them but it's not worth hackers time for such a small market. I'd also argue that Windows phone is probably just about the easiest mobile OS there is.

I agree about the FBI though, I think Microsoft might have caved in although I think they actually backed Apple.

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colin4man

​Knowing Apples pricing policy, I'd be amazed if Cordia couldn't get a m … ​Knowing Apples pricing policy, I'd be amazed if Cordia couldn't get a much better hardware deal deal on 2/3 year old mid range branded phone from someone like Samsung etc. All other long term costs and patching issues would be comparable.


This was what I was thinking.
Looks like a couple of golden handshakes have been done behind closed doors.
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