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    Little plumbing help

    I am looking to fit a dishwasher beside the washing machine, its the only room for it and it has a mains water feed and i have an adapter to fit both appliences.
    My problem is the waste pipes. i need to fit the dishwasher waste pipe but dont know how as the washing machine one is kinda in the way and i dont want to have to swap them round every time.

    Ideas please?

    There will be rep for good help

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    Original Poster

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/shanecr/DSC04776.jpg

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    just get a dual input feed extension

    Original Poster

    csiman;5790335

    just get a dual input feed extension



    googling that doesnt bring up much :?

    Its a single to twin adapter. B & Q

    can you extend the pipe a foot from where it goes through ther wall and then put another waste in (side by side) but do not empty both at the same time!

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    commonly called a 'Y' connector / valve

    Original Poster

    Jefflan22;5790427

    Its a single to twin adapter. B & Q



    cant see it online :?

    mikebike;5790428

    can you extend the pipe a foot from where it goes through ther wall and … can you extend the pipe a foot from where it goes through ther wall and then put another waste in (side by side) but do not empty both at the same time!



    i wouldnt know how to start that to be honest, just want a simple adpater or piece to allow both to drain into same pipe

    Just put a tee piee in the waste pipe and then connect your dishwasher waste to that

    the y connector is when it is connected to a trap under the sink, it will not fit on the pipework you have pictured

    http://www.tdspares.co.uk/prodimages/thumbs/tn_msc1007.jpg

    you need to put a tee in like this pictured here:

    http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/waste%20pipe%20with%20spigot%20trap.jpg

    your washing machine goes back into the top and your dishwasher waste connects to the bit sticking out

    Banned

    dishwasher / w.machine near the sink? Might even have a connector on that ready to go:-

    screwfix.com/pro…0mm

    Original Poster

    souljacker;5790500

    Just put a tee piee in the waste pipe and then connect your dishwasher … Just put a tee piee in the waste pipe and then connect your dishwasher waste to thatthe y connector is when it is connected to a trap under the sink, it will not fit on the pipework you have picturedyou need to put a tee in like this pictured here:your washing machine goes back into the top and your dishwasher waste connects to the bit sticking out



    the first pic, the y piece, i have that to connect both to the mains water feed. so thats ok, that second pic, it looks ok i guess, i assume its ok for it to be that low?

    csiman;5790507

    dishwasher / w.machine near the sink? Might even have a connector on that … dishwasher / w.machine near the sink? Might even have a connector on that ready to go:-http://www.screwfix.com/prods/12794/Plumbing/Wastes-and-Traps/Sink-Washing-Machine-Trap-40mm



    the machines are in a back cupboard at my back door, too far from any sink. the cupboard they are in do have the mains water feed and waste pipe, but would that piece work anyway? its 40mm so i could fit it anyway? or would it cause a problem somehow?

    shanecr;5790555

    the first pic, the y piece, i have that to connect both to the mains … the first pic, the y piece, i have that to connect both to the mains water feed. so thats ok, that second pic, it looks ok i guess, i assume its ok for it to be that low?



    the first pic is the y connector that connects the waste pipe to a trap under the sink, so you don't need that

    The second pic is just the same as the pipe you havepictured, but it's on it's side and without the T:) , you only really need to buy the T piece part of it whih come with the loose bits pictured (nut and hose connector)

    so it will look like this with a piece of existing pipe coming out of the new T and your washing machine waste going back into the top

    as long as the waste pipe is connected above the "trap" it doesn't matter how low it goes but you could put the T anywhere on your existing waste pipe

    [IMG]farm4.static.flickr.com/348…jpg?v=0[/IMG]

    you need to cut the pipe about a foot from the top insert a T shaped connector put the bit of pipe back in the top . a small peice of pipe in the tpeice a 90 degree bend and a bit of pipe back up

    t piece http://i25.tinypic.com/211qkxv.jpg

    Isn't that what i've just said??

    90 degree http://i26.tinypic.com/30tnnko.gif

    souljacker;5790650

    Isn't that what i've just said??



    yeah soz didnt read it

    A word of warning ! what you have to worry about is that if both machines disperse together I don't think the waste pipe will cope . In fact I would put money on it, I think you should go back to the drawing board .

    renown;5790737

    A word of warning ! what you have to worry about is that if both machines … A word of warning ! what you have to worry about is that if both machines disperse together I don't think the waste pipe will cope . In fact I would put money on it, I think you should go back to the drawing board .



    of course it would cope, it's at least inch and a half pipe

    seen your picture, what goes in front of the waste connection. If you have space then take the waste off and put a tee on facng outwards then a bit of pipe, then put the current upstand onto the new pipe. Now out of the centre of the tee put a bit of pipe and a new upstand

    souljacker;5790766

    of course it would cope, it's at least inch and a half pipe



    Always air on the side of caution I renovate properties for a living and do everything correctly Believe me you should give things there best chance I think your wrong and if I was the OP i would not take a chance or he'll be getting the mop out Two machines dispersing together sends the water at a hell of a rate. OP its better to be safe than sorry there are lots of things to add into the equation I don't know how many bends you all ready have, how long is the run to the drain don't listen to just any one phone a plumber in your local area and ask the question Each machine should have its on waste outlet don't you think that's obvious.
    This is my final word on the matter it don't bother me what he doe's

    renown I am a qualified plumber/heating engineer of 15 years. There is no problem adapting what he has for two appliances. Space is the biggest concern for him as I don't know what he has in front of the picture. You can have a sink with a dishwasher and washng machine connected to the trap all going into a 1 1/2 pipe with no issues of backing up.

    pinkleponkle;5791634

    renown I am a qualified plumber/heating engineer of 15 years. There is … renown I am a qualified plumber/heating engineer of 15 years. There is no problem adapting what he has for two appliances. Space is the biggest concern for him as I don't know what he has in front of the picture. You can have a sink with a dishwasher and washng machine connected to the trap all going into a 1 1/2 pipe with no issues of backing up.



    I still stand by what i say any way 15 years your just a novice lol

    Did I not see the old copper coloured pipe going through the wall in the original picture? that would suggest to me the original pipework has been there for sum time ! therfore its internal diameter could now only be 1" there are so many things to take into concideration all i'm saying is better to be cautious you cannot dissagree with that If your a tradsmen?

    The op wants to do this himself and asked for an easy option, by the fact he asked tells you he's not that confident in plumbing but also he may be on a budget so as to not be able to pay for someone to come over. As long as he doent want to put something in front on the upstands then it's perfectly workable to adapt for two appliances. Could it be done better, of course, but would it make them work better, no.

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    souljacker;5790592

    the first pic is the y connector that connects the waste pipe to a trap … the first pic is the y connector that connects the waste pipe to a trap under the sink, so you don't need thatThe second pic is just the same as the pipe you havepictured, but it's on it's side and without the T:) , you only really need to buy the T piece part of it whih come with the loose bits pictured (nut and hose connector)so it will look like this with a piece of existing pipe coming out of the new T and your washing machine waste going back into the topas long as the waste pipe is connected above the "trap" it doesn't matter how low it goes but you could put the T anywhere on your existing waste pipe



    something like this will do between the upright and the U bend then?
    http://www.mc-alpine.de/shop/images/product_images/thumbnail_images/735_0.jpg

    renown;5791499

    Always air on the side of caution I renovate properties for a living and … Always air on the side of caution I renovate properties for a living and do everything correctly Believe me you should give things there best chance I think your wrong and if I was the OP i would not take a chance or he'll be getting the mop out Two machines dispersing together sends the water at a hell of a rate. OP its better to be safe than sorry there are lots of things to add into the equation I don't know how many bends you all ready have, how long is the run to the drain don't listen to just any one phone a plumber in your local area and ask the question Each machine should have its on waste outlet don't you think that's obvious.This is my final word on the matter it don't bother me what he doe's



    its unlikey i would run both together, tho i might have both on a short cycle whilst empty and watch to see if it backs up or not. But i am expecting to have to run each separately, just so long as i dont have to change hoses each time, because if someone forgets....its splashy time lol

    renown;5791669

    I still stand by what i say any way 15 years your just a novice lolDid I … I still stand by what i say any way 15 years your just a novice lolDid I not see the old copper coloured pipe going through the wall in the original picture? that would suggest to me the original pipework has been there for sum time ! therfore its internal diameter could now only be 1" there are so many things to take into concideration all i'm saying is better to be cautious you cannot dissagree with that If your a tradsmen?



    All ideas and comments are taken on board and i shall be very careful. You are correct to say that the waste pipe in the photo is original pipework of the house and though it appears large, im not it stays that size as it leaves the property.


    rep has and will be handed out :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Having another inspection, that copper pipe leaves the house that size, it doesnt get smaller, it looks a hefty size too, i cant imagine it only being 1" inside. doesnt make a sound likes it really thick when i tap it.

    he means an inch inside due to it being full of crud build up that you get over time.

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    shanecr;5792084

    something like this will do between the upright and the U bend then?



    that should do fine I reckon assuming your waste pipe will fit on the connector (might need a jubilee clip).

    shanecr;5792084

    something like this will do between the upright and the U bend then?:



    yeah, that's just what you need :thumbsup:

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    shanecr;5790269


    I'm no expert but I think your washing machine output pipe (the flexible tube) is too low as surely that will contain water even now so may make machine smell.

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    pinkleponkle;5792213

    he means an inch inside due to it being full of crud build up that you … he means an inch inside due to it being full of crud build up that you get over time.



    Ahhh. is there a way to clear it?

    csiman;5792249

    that should do fine I reckon assuming your waste pipe will fit on the … that should do fine I reckon assuming your waste pipe will fit on the connector (might need a jubilee clip).


    i have seen something similar with a larger piece coming out, which i'll most likely get. Wast pipe will then just fit in it.

    souljacker;5792260

    yeah, that's just what you need :thumbsup:



    nice one

    csiman;5792266

    I'm no expert but I think your washing machine output pipe (the flexible … I'm no expert but I think your washing machine output pipe (the flexible tube) is too low as surely that will contain water even now so may make machine smell.



    Really? should i just raise the waste pipe from washing machine b then?

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    shanecr;5792349

    Ahhh. is there a way to clear it?i have seen something similar with a … Ahhh. is there a way to clear it?i have seen something similar with a larger piece coming out, which i'll most likely get. Wast pipe will then just fit in it.nice oneReally? should i just raise the waste pipe from washing machine b then?


    read the manual if you have it but I thought it should be at around the level of where it exits the machine.

    If it goes down from the machine then up to the waste connection, then surely that will be forever filled with dirty water

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    csiman;5792417

    check out this … check out this pichttp://www.homebase.co.uk/wcsstore/homebase/en_US/images/p0/HBCustomerServiceArticles/images/howto/images/washingmachine/fig1lg.jpghttp://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HomebaseStaticPageSecondLevel?langId=-1&storeId=20001&includeName=HBCustomerServiceArticles/how_to_install_dishwasher_machine.html



    well the exit is at the top of the machine and sits higher than the entry into the waste tube, which is all the manual roughly said. it didnt mention how the tube should be inbetween.

    shane the waste from the washing machine is just fine

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    pinkleponkle;5792529

    shane the waste from the washing machine is just fine



    :thumbsup:

    csiman;5792266

    I'm no expert but I think your washing machine output pipe (the flexible … I'm no expert but I think your washing machine output pipe (the flexible tube) is too low as surely that will contain water even now so may make machine smell.



    there is nothing wrong with it, the water is pumped out

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    souljacker;5793050

    there is nothing wrong with it, the water is pumped out


    it is pumped out until the pump detects no more water, hence it comes out the top of the machine and then falls down into the waste. Shanes machine waste pipe appears to be on the ground so is lower than the trap so this will contain foul water. I would just raise this up level with the trap.

    thats how I see it anyway. Pull out the pipe completely and lay it flat on the floor and check if water comes out.

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    souljacker;5790592

    [IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3480/3734300949_d6a54c91dc.jpg?v=0[/IMG]



    i bought one of these T pieces, but it does not secure to the U bend. am i missing something or doing something wrong?

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    shanecr;5818647

    i bought one of these T pieces, but it does not secure to the U bend. am … i bought one of these T pieces, but it does not secure to the U bend. am i missing something or doing something wrong?


    you shouldnt need the periscope part

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    csiman;5819015

    you shouldnt need the periscope part



    this is how it is just now.

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/shanecr/DSC04790.jpg

    but the t piece does not tighten fully on the u bend.

    Periscope???
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