Found 9th Aug 2010
Hi - We're looking to purchase a new car. We need to borrow £16k. If we borrow this as one loan the APR is around 8.5% with monthly repayments at £340. However if we apply for 2 individual loans the APR drops to 7.8% with 2 monthly payments equal to £333. The total amount we would pay back is also a good few hundred pounds cheaper using option 2. Am I allowed to take out 2 loans? One will be in my name and the other will be in my wifes name. I didn;t want to take loan 1 out and then realise that I wouldn't be allowed for some reason to take out loan 2. Thanks

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Of course, you can go into banks seperately and ask for loan each for a new car each. Then spend it on the one car. But I would shop around as should be able to get a lower apr for a 8k loan.

are they both from the same place? if so they may have an issue.

i always thought the more you borrow gives you a lower APR?

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pistol6000

are they both from the same place? if so they may have an issue.i always … are they both from the same place? if so they may have an issue.i always thought the more you borrow gives you a lower APR?



It seems to be that loans between 7500 and 14999 offer the better lower rate. Above this and the rate jumps.

I would be looking to take one loan from Sainsburys and one from Santander. Both offering 7.8%. I can't seem to better that anywhere unless someone knows of another lender??

I spent 10 years working in the motor finance trade as an underwriter and have had many a conversation with motor dealers regarding APR's. If you mention to them that you have been offered a better deal through the bank they may be able to match it.

The lower the APR the dealer charges (and it is the dealer, not the finance house who states the rate*) the less commission they earn. However if you get the money from the bank they will earn no commission at all, so it's in their best interests to offer you the bank rate and make something. You may have to prove the rate you've been offered to them, and indeed prove you have been accepted for it, but some dealers will just match it.

Any further help required, send me a PM.

*Obviously they have a minimum rate they have to charge which has been set by the finance house, but whatever they charge over it they earn commission on. The minimum APR they have to charge is worked out on the age of the vehicle, the amount and the term of the loan.

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Scouser78

I spent 10 years working in the motor finance trade as an underwriter and … I spent 10 years working in the motor finance trade as an underwriter and have had many a conversation with motor dealers regarding APR's. If you mention to them that you have been offered a better deal through the bank they may be able to match it.The lower the APR the dealer charges (and it is the dealer, not the finance house who states the rate*) the less commission they earn. However if you get the money from the bank they will earn no commission at all, so it's in their best interests to offer you the bank rate and make something. You may have to prove the rate you've been offered to them, and indeed prove you have been accepted for it, but some dealers will just match it.Any further help required, send me a PM.*Obviously they have a minimum rate they have to charge which has been set by the finance house, but whatever they charge over it they earn commission on. The minimum APR they have to charge is worked out on the age of the vehicle, the amount and the term of the loan.



Hi thanks thats useful info. The guy is talking flat rates of 5% being the lowest he can go. That equates to approx 10% APR. The car is a 09 and I want to take the loan out over 5 years. You reckon I could squeeze him to match the 7.8% APR? That's about a 3.9% Flat rate. It would be sooo much easier for me to take the finance out with the dealer as I could drive away today!! Any advice would be great

dinglebin

It seems to be that loans between 7500 and 14999 offer the better lower … It seems to be that loans between 7500 and 14999 offer the better lower rate. Above this and the rate jumps.I would be looking to take one loan from Sainsburys and one from Santander. Both offering 7.8%. I can't seem to better that anywhere unless someone knows of another lender??



been a few years since i applied for a loan (still payin em tho!!) and it seems to have changed that way! probably due to banks going under.

you should be fine with the 2 loans ,there the cheapest i can see. Or do as scouser78 says...unless your buying privatly

If you mention that you are thinking of going to the bank for a better rate it can go one of two ways.

1. He will get the hump and drag the deal out as he's not earning any extra commission on the deal he's worked in getting.

2. He will match it.

So it's up to you really. I think 5% flat is just above average for that age of car, however I've been out of the motor trade for over a year now and it may have increased with the way banks are at the minute.

There's no problem with letting him know you may look for a loan, he may offer you a reduced rate just to keep you from approaching the bank.

We're looking to purchase a new car. We need to borrow £16k



And this why the financial crisis continues. Do you REALLY need 16k for a new car???

Dantooine

And this why the financial crisis continues. Do you REALLY need 16k for … And this why the financial crisis continues. Do you REALLY need 16k for a new car???



Good question....(_;)

I don't buy anything that I cannot afford to pay for.

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Dantooine

And this why the financial crisis continues. Do you REALLY need 16k for … And this why the financial crisis continues. Do you REALLY need 16k for a new car???


+1

why not just buy a 8.5K car and not be saddled with 2 loans?

Borrowing money is the best thing for the economy, presuming op cam afford it

Personally I would buy an 8k car though
Edited by: "sancho1983" 9th Aug 2010

i would never go down the loans route! if you don't have the money then you don't spend. simplez!

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sancho1983

Borrowing money is the best thing for the economy, presuming op cam … Borrowing money is the best thing for the economy, presuming op cam afford it Personally I would buy an 8k car though


Are you Gordon Brown in disguise? Debt is what got this country in the mess its in!

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csiman

+1why not just buy a 8.5K car and not be saddled with 2 loans?



There is absolutely no difference between buying an 8k car or a 16k car as long as you can afford the repaymnets. 8k may suit your requirements and cicumstances like 16k suits mine!!

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dinglebin

There is absolutely no difference between buying an 8k car or a 16k car … There is absolutely no difference between buying an 8k car or a 16k car as long as you can afford the repaymnets. 8k may suit your requirements and cicumstances like 16k suits mine!!



What are your requirements?

csiman

Are you Gordon Brown in disguise? Debt is what got this country in the … Are you Gordon Brown in disguise? Debt is what got this country in the mess its in!



Keynesian Economics mate.

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strike

Keynesian Economics mate.


call it what you will but it hasnt seemed to have worked for the decade (i.e generations of austerity to repay the debt).

dinglebin

There is absolutely no difference between buying an 8k car or a 16k car … There is absolutely no difference between buying an 8k car or a 16k car as long as you can afford the repaymnets. 8k may suit your requirements and cicumstances like 16k suits mine!!



Why not save up and buy it then?

Instead of throwing money away in inflated interest.


There are thousands of people out there that thought that they could afford the repayments on the shiny new car that they do not own....alas they are in the mire now.

Why question the OP? They want a £16k car so why are people wanting to know anything more than that? It's their own business and they are looking for assistance with their options, not questioned on their needs.

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Inactive

Why not save up and buy it then?Instead of throwing money away in … Why not save up and buy it then?Instead of throwing money away in inflated interest.There are thousands of people out there that thought that they could afford the repayments on the shiny new car that they do not own....alas they are in the mire now.




Because my friend - my circumstances 5 years ago were not as good as they are now and I was unable to save £300 per month. I now have £300 per month disposable income. I also require a new car now and not in 5 years time. Thanks so much for your concern tho.

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dinglebin

Because my friend - my circumstances 5 years ago were not as good as they … Because my friend - my circumstances 5 years ago were not as good as they are now and I was unable to save £300 per month. I now have £300 per month disposable income. I also require a new car now and not in 5 years time. Thanks so much for your concern tho.



So why do you want this much debt?

You might lose your job.

Scouser78

Why question the OP? They want a £16k car so why are people wanting to … Why question the OP? They want a £16k car so why are people wanting to know anything more than that? It's their own business and they are looking for assistance with their options, not questioned on their needs.



Well said

dinglebin

Because my friend - my circumstances 5 years ago were not as good as they … Because my friend - my circumstances 5 years ago were not as good as they are now and I was unable to save £300 per month. I now have £300 per month disposable income. I also require a new car now and not in 5 years time. Thanks so much for your concern tho.



Fair enough, it's your life.

Personally I never ever buy anything that I cannot afford to pay for. ( mortgage excluded, but paid off in full now )

If both of the lower loans you have enquired about investigated your credit history without the existence of another £8000+ debt, they may have been happy to lend at a low rate on that basis.
So the first loan will be fine.
But if you have to declare the first loan when you get the second one (unless you do them simultaneously - not sure on the legality of that...:) ) the rate offered might be higher based on your increased commitments and therefore risk.

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DLM

So why do you want this much debt?You might lose your job.


DLM

So why do you want this much debt?You might lose your job.

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Inactive

Fair enough, it's your life.Personally I never ever buy anything that I … Fair enough, it's your life.Personally I never ever buy anything that I cannot afford to pay for. ( mortgage excluded, but paid off in full now )



the world needs a mixture of both cautious and risk taking spenders! Thanks for making up the cautious numbers!!!

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dinglebin

the world needs a mixture of both cautious and risk taking spenders! … the world needs a mixture of both cautious and risk taking spenders! Thanks for making up the cautious numbers!!!



Why anyone would put themselves in so much debt at a time when the job centres are full is beyond me.

Thank god I only have a small amount of debt, I can't wait to be debt free.

Inactive

Fair enough, it's your life.Personally I never ever buy anything that I … Fair enough, it's your life.Personally I never ever buy anything that I cannot afford to pay for. ( mortgage excluded, but paid off in full now )



Who the hell are you to comment like this? The person isn't asking if it is right, they are asking advice. Trouble is we can't all afford to buy £16K cars outright can we? Do you get paid in one lump sum? No, most of us get paid monthly, therefore it works out better to pay for things monthly sometimes. LIFE?=GET ONE.

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tinkerbell28

Exactly how sanctamonius can some get. We have 2 cars one we bought … Exactly how sanctamonius can some get. We have 2 cars one we bought outright and another which we had on car debt. Didn't want to save for 2 cars outright we wanted 2 now. Which we have now paid off but it's 4 years old so are trading it in to get another car probably double what you are about to spend.We can afford the payments 10x over, so who gives a damn what other people buy? If everyone went through life with what if's you'd never buy a house, nothing, it's what insurance is for, so leave him alone


to be fair, I didnt see blatant criticism; more advice that people (OP included) should think about the reasons for their purchase a bit more and the possible future disadvantages should one fall on hard times. A 6 year car loan with no deposit saved even seems quite risky to me but each to their own so fair enough.

aircanman

Who the hell are you to comment like this? The person isn't asking if … Who the hell are you to comment like this? The person isn't asking if it is right, they are asking advice. Trouble is we can't all afford to buy £16K cars outright can we? Do you get paid in one lump sum? No, most of us get paid monthly, therefore it works out better to pay for things monthly sometimes. LIFE?=GET ONE.



It is a forum where people are entitled to express an opinion ( within the rules )

If some people are happy to spend over £20.000 on a £16,000 car, that is fair enough, I would far sooner just pay the £16,000, that leaves £4,000 to spend on something else.

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Wrong on 2 accounts. I do have a sizeable deposit and it is a 5 yr loan. Plus after 5 years I will own a car that I can trade in meaning I will not need to borrow 16k next time as I will have an evan larger deposit. Cheers

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dinglebin

Wrong on 2 accounts. I do have a sizeable deposit and it is a 5 yr loan. … Wrong on 2 accounts. I do have a sizeable deposit and it is a 5 yr loan. Plus after 5 years I will own a car that I can trade in meaning I will not need to borrow 16k next time as I will have an evan larger deposit. Cheers



How much will the car be worth in 5 years?
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